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User currently offlineAQ737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

I was looking at (excuse the link): http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ew7MBihR4E...2G7awoI/s1600-h/n489ha-16nov08.jpg
and noticed that 3 767s are at the interisland terminal. Those gates are spaced for narrowbodies, right? Do they just block the gate in between? Is this a standard arrangement? I know that HA has been struggling with their expansion (even using the Central Concourse at times) but will this become permanent? Which flights leave from the interisland terminal? That makes connections quite convenient and easy. How do the 767s at the end of the pier effect the Go! operations that are perpendicular to the terminal in that area? The picture looks like its ttaken in the early afternoon-isn't there a full complement of interisland 717 flying? It appears as though 5 (the 6th one blocked by the 767 wing?) gates are available for the 717s - how does this work out?

A lot of questions. I heard 767s would be using interisland thanks to the space opened when AQ left, but I thought they would only be used for the redeyes to LAS and LAX in the evenings when interisland flying was at a low.

Aq737

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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2369 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Since mid October HA has been parking 767s at Gates 61, 60, and 58.

In the picture, there are 717s at gates 52, 55 & 57 and 767s at 58, 60 & 61.

I believe HA is pushing about 8 of its 767 flights from the interisland terminal each day.

go to www.ehawaii.gov/hnlflights

The flights assigned to these gates change every day, but are NOT international departures/arrivals.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineUA76Heavy From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Sure makes it easier on the feet!

A few months ago, Gov. Lingle unveiled a plan to expand HNL. Does include expanding the HA terminal to accommodate more widebodies (i.e., 763s, A332s, A350s)? It would be nice to have all HAs trans-Pacific flights (with the exception of the international arrivals--otherwise it's a far ride to the customs and immigration area) closer to the check-in area.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2568 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

According to our in-house newsletter, we're now operating 70% of our 767 flights out of Terminal 2 using (as Aloha 73G said) gates 61, 60, and 58. The only one blocked is 59. We've also expanded our 717's out through part of the old AQ extension. About 50% of our interisland flights operate out of gates 52 and 54. Being able to use the entire swath of gates from 52 through 61 means many of our trans-pac passengers can connect quite easily to their interisland flight. It's also a much shorter walk down to the baggage claim area.

For instance yesterday (11/23) we had departures out of the interisland terminal of flights 10 (LAX), 48 (OAK), 28 (SEA), 20 (SMF), 22 (SEA), 18 (LAS), 36 (PHX), and 8 (LAS).

Quoting UA76Heavy (Reply 2):
A few months ago, Gov. Lingle unveiled a plan to expand HNL. Does include expanding the HA terminal to accommodate more widebodies (i.e., 763s, A332s, A350s)? It would be nice to have all HAs trans-Pacific flights (with the exception of the international arrivals--otherwise it's a far ride to the customs and immigration area) closer to the check-in area.

I'm hoping that construction project goes through, although with the current economic downturn I think it may be on hold for a while. The plan called for wrapping the Ewa concourse around from its current end at gate 34 to connect with Terminal 2 in the area of gate 52. Some of the Aloha cargo and maintenance areas would be removed and the taxiways realigned to accomodate the expanded terminals. It would help a lot, and if the air-conditioned moving-walkway-to-customs that is currently being installed is expanded out to the new gates, we could bring international flights into any of the gates on the Ewa concourse.

HAL



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

On a related note: What is the minimum connecting time for Hawaiian Airlines at HNL for Mainland-Interisland flights?

I am considering flying to ITO in February, and the SAN-HNL flight arrives at 1:45 PM. Hawaiian #260 leaves HNL for ITO at 2:49, but the computer will not offer that. It will offer that flight if I arrive from LAX on an earlier flight.

I was going to start a separate thread, but I think this falls under that category. Thanks for the input!!



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User currently offlineUA76Heavy From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2468 times:



Quoting HAL (Reply 3):
Some of the Aloha cargo and maintenance areas would be removed and the taxiways realigned to accomodate the expanded terminals.

With AQ gone, why don't they just move the entire operation to Keihi Lagoon Drive wih Fed Ex, Kalitta, UPS and the other cargo haulers? I would think it would make it more convenient and quicker to move incoming domestic freight to Aloha Cargo's planes for interisland forwarding.

Also, which gates will Mokulele work out of?


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2568 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2424 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
On a related note: What is the minimum connecting time for Hawaiian Airlines at HNL for Mainland-Interisland flights?

I am considering flying to ITO in February, and the SAN-HNL flight arrives at 1:45 PM. Hawaiian #260 leaves HNL for ITO at 2:49, but the computer will not offer that. It will offer that flight if I arrive from LAX on an earlier flight.

I was going to start a separate thread, but I think this falls under that category. Thanks for the input!!

I don't know the exact numbers, but I would have thought that 60 minutes was sufficient. Especially with the new ops concentrated in Terminal 2, one hour is plenty. However if you do arrive way over in the central concourse, it's a bit tougher. Since there's no guarantee of which gate you'll arrive at, I'm guessing they had to plan for the worst-case scenairo. There may be a note somewhere on the HA website with officially allowed connection times.

Quoting UA76Heavy (Reply 5):
With AQ gone, why don't they just move the entire operation to Keihi Lagoon Drive wih Fed Ex, Kalitta, UPS and the other cargo haulers? I would think it would make it more convenient and quicker to move incoming domestic freight to Aloha Cargo's planes for interisland forwarding.

The new AQ cargo is a pretty low-rent operation. Moving all the maintenance equipment, cargo handling, and office space to another location would most likely be cost-prohibitive. Also, I think almost all the cargo AQ hauls is generated in the islands, not something that comes in from the mainland. It's items like newspapers, fresh bread, flowers, fresh meats & fish, etc. Because of that, it wouldn't be necessary to put the operation close to the incoming mainland cargo ops.

Quoting UA76Heavy (Reply 5):
Also, which gates will Mokulele work out of?

They're using the last three gates around the inside of the old AQ extension pier for the E170 flights. I think they're gates #49 - 51. The 'original' Mokulele Caravans are still over in the commuter terminal with Go!

HAL



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User currently offlineAQ737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

I'm surprised by how well this has gone forward. If only Mokulele didn't take those 3 gates on AQ's former extension pier, they could have a few more 767 flights out of Terminal2/Interisland. Is Hawaiian considering purchasing the terminal from the state and making it the Hawaiian Airline Terminal?

Perhaps the interisland terminal can be extended toward the commuter terminal to allow 1-2 more gates for 767s. It would be nice for HA to one day have all of its operations (minus international) under one roof...truly a seamless experience that would allow them to better connect with direct services from the mainland to the other islands (especially KOA, LIH).

Will the 330s fit into the gates that the 767s currently use?

Aq737


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1681 times:



Quoting UA76Heavy (Reply 2):
A few months ago, Gov. Lingle unveiled a plan to expand HNL. Does include expanding the HA terminal to accommodate more widebodies (i.e., 763s, A332s, A350s)?



Quoting HAL (Reply 3):
I'm hoping that construction project goes through, although with the current economic downturn I think it may be on hold for a while.

Are you referring to the $2B statewide plan to revamp all of the Islands' airports (but mostly HNL)? Don't know if it'll be needed anytime soon, especially with the DL/NW merger which should free up some additional gate space in either the Ewa or DH Concourse.

HAL - any insight into that possible development? NW has always had a large presence at HNL (along with UA). The DH concourse itself is large but in desperate need of an "extreme makeover".

Quoting HAL (Reply 6):
It's items like newspapers, fresh bread, flowers, fresh meats & fish, etc. Because of that, it wouldn't be necessary to put the operation close to the incoming mainland cargo ops.

...and Krispy Kreme donuts from OGG!


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