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ATR72-500 To Be Certified For LCY / Aer Arann  
User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3964 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

As a result of a new Aer Arann service IOM-LCY, the ATR72-500 will become another aircraft certified for LCY. Together with the Q400, the BAe 146, the Fokker 70 and the A318, it is the largest airliner able to operate into LCY. ATR has been active in promoting the ATR72-600 as LCY-capable, but did not publicly push for the -500 to debut it at LCY. Nice to see an addition of LCY-capable aircraft, although I do not see other operators that could use it to LCY. Not a lot of airliners on the British Isles or in the surrounding countries continue to operate it. However, if it proves to be successful, it might be an option for VLM for which the ATR72 seems to be quite well-suited as they do neither need jets nor the speed of the more expensive Q400 for the VLM route network.


As the previous thread was deleted - this is no copyrighted material, but an airline press release which is in the public domain:

http://www.aerarann.com/about_us/news.htm#241108


Aer Arann debut at London City on Isle of Man route

24th November - Irish regional airline Aer Arann will be a new airline at London City Airport when it commences scheduled air services from the Isle of Man on 19 January, 2009. The Dublin-based carrier will operate three times daily flights with its latest, 72-seat new-generation ATR72-500 aircraft, pending certification. The move restores one of the most important air services for the Island and gives a massive boost to the Isle of Man’s finance sector. “From the start of next year, regular flights will be available to London’s premier business airport, less than four miles from London’s commercial and financial heartland at Canary Wharf,” commented Isle of Man Airport Director Ann Reynolds.

The Island has retained just one flight a day to City Airport (operated by VLM) since the closure of the airline, EuroManx, in May this year. Aer Arann’s announcement restores the weekday frequency to four daily flights and, critically for the Island’s business sector, provides the much missed morning and evening services, enabling Isle of Man travellers a full day’s work in the Capital. The first flight from the Island will depart at 08:25, arriving at London City at 09:50. The return evening flight allows almost 10 hours in London, departing at 19:45 and arriving at the Isle of Man at 21:05. In addition, there will be an afternoon flight departing from the Island at 13:55, which returns from London City at 15:45 for those requiring a shorter day in the Capital. As well as the three daily flights on weekdays, Aer Arann will also operate a service on Saturday mornings, plus two flights on Sunday evenings, catering for more leisure driven traffic.

The Aer Arann Isle of Man route will also bring another first to London City Airport as its debuts the 72-seat ATR72-500. It will be the first of its type to operate into London City, bringing high standards of passenger service to the route. Aer Arann is currently participating in a certification programme with the manufacturer, ATR, the UK Civil Aviation Authority and London City Airport.

The Isle of Man Airport has been working since May to restore the schedule the Island so desperately needs. There were a number of critical issues which presented challenges, including the securing by Aer Arann of London City “slots” for the route, coupled with the current economic downturn, but both the Airport and Aer Arann are confident about the future of the route....


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User currently onlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5068 times:



Quoting Vfw614 (Thread starter):
although I do not see other operators that could use it to LCY

I can imagine Aurigny would like to fly to LCY from Guernsey, they'll get 2 new 72-500s starting early next year. (I flew them last week and their IFM said they will get their new aircraft quicker then originally planned)
They have some bank/business travel and it saves them from the long track to Gatwick.
Airlinair from France might also start with their ATRs from some smaller cities in France, Cimber from Denmark and Contactair from Germany.



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User currently offlineSeansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5043 times:

LH already fly ATR42 into LCY so maybe they might like to upgrade their services. I look forward to IOM services with AerArran and the flights look quite resonably priced.

User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3964 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4832 times:



Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 2):
LH already fly ATR42 into LCY so maybe they might like to upgrade their services.

No, the ATR42 will be replaced by the BAe 146/RJ85 if feasible. That is the plan for LCY-DUS for next year

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
I can imagine Aurigny would like to fly to LCY from Guernsey, they'll get 2 new 72-500s starting early next year. (I flew them last week and their IFM said they will get their new aircraft quicker then originally planned)

I would be surprised if that happened. VLM Airlines was struggling to fill its 50 seaters from JER - which is a much larger market than GCI - and cut back JER-LCY to one daily flight after a while (not sure, maybe the route has gone completely by now). I doubt if GCH supported a LCY route in addition to the services to LGW and STN. If, probably a 30 seater would do (Air France by Cityjet opb by Scot).


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

Very good news for all of this airlines.

I would like to land in LCY with an ATR, I am still waiting a call from Aer Arann, I hope next with this new planes.

When I visit that airport I did not understand why no ATR around. I have flown into similar runways, and the slope in the ILS is not a problem.


User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

Wow, I honestly would have thought that the ATR was already certified for this - they've been missing out on a potential market niche here. Good news for the ATR, I'm sure this could open opportunities for other airlines too.

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4523 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
I can imagine Aurigny would like to fly to LCY from Guernsey, they'll get 2 new 72-500s starting early next year. (I flew them last week and their IFM said they will get their new aircraft quicker then originally planned)
They have some bank/business travel and it saves them from the long track to Gatwick.
Airlinair from France might also start with their ATRs from some smaller cities in France, Cimber from Denmark and Contactair from Germany.

But finding peak time slots is pretty much impossible. Look at the first arrival of this new service, 0950 - late for those on day trips. By the time you get to whatever office you need to be at half the morning has gone. Having your aircraft certified is one thing, having decent slots is another thing, and the two can be mutually exclusive for a successful service



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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3964 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

That's true.

The new Sun Air service to BLL has a first arrival at 1005 and the evening flight departs rather late at 2035 (interesting to note that this new service - on sale for a couple of weeks now - has yet to be announced by LCY whereas the new IOM route is already on the airport's website).

And one of the reasons why the Vienna service allegedly failed were the poor timings of the slots that resulted in a very late arrival of the evening flight in Austria.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3997 times:



Quoting R2rho (Reply 5):
Wow, I honestly would have thought that the ATR was already certified for this - they've been missing out on a potential market niche here. Good news for the ATR, I'm sure this could open opportunities for other airlines too.

Me too, I'm sure one has been into PLH on a demo flight, that runway is slightly shorter than LCY, and I know in the Philippines they operate from strips as short as 850m.


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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3865 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 8):
I know in the Philippines they operate from strips as short as 850m.

They must be good.

My best was in a 1.100m runway and 25m wide. an when first time I was on final a really though it was a carrier landing.

But the problem is not the landing, the real problem is a engine failure during take off. So with 850m should be an ATR42 with a big weight restriction.

With an ATR72 the shortest is 1.100m and with 15º, MTOW is 20.000Kg.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3822 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 9):
But the problem is not the landing, the real problem is a engine failure during take off. So with 850m should be an ATR42 with a big weight restriction.

Personally I agree, I was very shocked when I heard they would be using such a short strip, but then again another airline has flown the 146 from it too!



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