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UsAirways DAB To PHL, LGA, And DCA  
User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 989 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 6748 times:

Checking the US route map I show these 3 new routes from DAB.


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4133 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 6739 times:

That doesn't make sense at all. I wonder if that is a seasonal thing for the Daytona 500 only. NYC is the biggest market from DAB, so there is demand to LGA that I would see, but PHL and DCA make no sense, given the fact that they can send connecting pax through CLT.

User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 6612 times:

These are extra sections flown during heavy traffic times, most notably the Daytona 500 races. If they come online for any times other than these, I'd be pleasantly surprised. But I'm not gonna hold my breath.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 6566 times:

Looks like US is showing some muscle out of the gate for US at the Daytona 500 time.

flights to LGA PHL and DCA are all in for race weekend. CLT is showing 6x mainline 1x CR7 for the lay after, while DL hasnt even added an extra RJ section yet and has the standard 4x CR7 2x MD88 still in their schedule.



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 6525 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
while DL hasnt even added an extra RJ section yet and has the standard 4x CR7 2x MD88 still in their schedule.

Give em time. It's only November.  Wink


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 6462 times:

How does DCA work... are these flights substituted in place of other allotted slots? Wouldn't any change have to go through the DOT? (Not sure)

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
while DL hasnt even added an extra RJ section yet and has the standard 4x CR7 2x MD88 still in their schedule.

Of course, DL has a history of announcing Daytona 500 service that they do not operate (like the CLT flight year or two ago).

[Edited 2008-11-24 16:02:14]


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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 6272 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
flights to LGA PHL and DCA are all in for race weekend. CLT is showing 6x mainline 1x CR7 for the lay after, while DL hasnt even added an extra RJ section yet and has the standard 4x CR7 2x MD88 still in their schedule.

It will be added this week. There are definitely some 757 extra sections and DCI to mainline upgrades.



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User currently offlineXjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2451 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 6127 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
Of course, DL has a history of announcing Daytona 500 service that they do not operate (like the CLT flight year or two ago).

Last I checked, Airways came in, so it would be a pointless run.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
Looks like US is showing some muscle out of the gate for US at the Daytona 500 time.

The same muscle that was used for the Pepsi...err...Coke 400?  Wink

xjr



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 6100 times:



Quoting Xjramper (Reply 8):
Last I checked, Airways came in, so it would be a pointless run.

 checkmark No argument from me there. My point was simply that DL's initial announcement of Daytona 500 upgrades may not be what they wind up running.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 6100 times:

On a non-race week note I think DAB could support a daily PHL 70 seater and a sat/sun LGA flight. They could probably support a 50 seat RJ to DCA (UA had very high load factors, FL just trashed their yield).


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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 6068 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
On a non-race week note I think DAB could support a daily PHL 70 seater and a sat/sun LGA flight.

Vice versa, IMO. We've got connections covered through CLT. We need a non-stop to NYC now that CO's gone.


User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2451 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 5997 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 11):
Vice versa, IMO. We've got connections covered through CLT. We need a non-stop to NYC now that CO's gone

I would argue that CLT only has, I think, two international destinations, whereas, PHL has the majority. A daily express flight to PHL would do Airways well in DAB.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
My point was simply that DL's initial announcement of Daytona 500 upgrades may not be what they wind up running.

I see your point, but shy of another airline showing up in DAB (which I have concluded is near impossible) DL will stick to planned scheduled flights.

xjr



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User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 5980 times:

Quoting XJRamper (Reply 12):

Quoting XJRamper (Reply 12):
I would argue that CLT only has, I think, two international destinations, whereas, PHL has the majority. A daily express flight to PHL would do Airways well in DAB.



CLT has two Europe destinations, and CDG is also coming back into the mix.

CLT is the main hub for US carribean ops though.

[Edited 2008-11-24 19:04:46]

User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2451 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 5955 times:



Quoting TheGMan (Reply 13):
CLT has two Europe destinations, and CDG is also coming back into the mix.

CLT is the main hub for US carribean ops though.

Thats what I was thinking, not typing. Yes, I meant European markets.

xjr



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 5950 times:



Quoting TheGMan (Reply 13):
CLT has two Europe destinations, and CDG is also coming back into the mix.

Three, soon to be four. I suspect that, like most American markets, DAB has the strongest demand to London, Paris, and Frankfurt.



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User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 5915 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):

Three, soon to be four. I suspect that, like most American markets, DAB has the strongest demand to London, Paris, and Frankfurt.

That is if you count LH to MUC.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 5853 times:



Quoting TheGMan (Reply 16):
That is if you count LH to MUC.

 checkmark ...and there's no reason not to. It has a US flight number.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32211 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 5755 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 5):
How does DCA work... are these flights substituted in place of other allotted slots? Wouldn't any change have to go through the DOT? (Not sure)

Regular slots have no restrictions except for the perimeter rule. You might be confusing with the special small community/low fare slots which are restricted.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):

Three, soon to be four. I suspect that, like most American markets, DAB has the strongest demand to London, Paris, and Frankfurt.

The Daytona area is popular with Germans and Brits, but that's about it. LTU used to fly to DAB in the 1990s. Though, like all of Florida-Germany, the demand is largely from Dusseldorf and Munich, not Frankfurt.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 5748 times:



Quoting XJRamper (Reply 12):
I would argue that CLT only has, I think, two international destinations, whereas, PHL has the majority. A daily express flight to PHL would do Airways well in DAB.

As others have pointed out, CLT has 3 TATL destinations on US metal, and another on LH. I could argue that the majority of DAB traffic isn't heading TATL either, and that it's almost a non-issue. I definitely agree that US could do well with a daily flight to PHL, but I'd rather personally see LGA happen, as we don't have NYC service (and according to a poster above, it's DAB's #1 market). Short of a few more international destinations, PHL offers almost nothing that our current CLT service doesn't provide.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 5715 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 11):
Vice versa, IMO. We've got connections covered through CLT. We need a non-stop to NYC now that CO's gone.

I was factoring in the value of the slots  Wink Im not sure that DAB-LGA would generate enough revenue to make it worth their while Monday-Friday

PHL would help with connecting places like MHT PWM BTV SYR ALB that have no or little CLT service and thus could probably help support a daily PHL

Much of DAB's NYC demand also comes from the EWR side. CO backed those 737s year after year, and while I can see how FL-LGA trashed their yeilds, they didn't stick around for the afterlife.

DAB-NYC daily seats should look something like this:
Jan - 70
Feb -100
Mar - 200
Apr -200
May -150
Jun -140
Jul -140
Aug -130
Sept - 50
Oct - 70
Nov- 70
Dec - 70

As you can see its tough for an airline like CO or B6 to match those capacity needs with their aircraft while also supporting a station (sept-jan)



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4133 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 5672 times:

The other thing not being mentioned here is that PHL-DAB is really pushing the limits of a CRJ-200 (Especially going through DC and JAX centers which cap and tunnel frequently), so one would think this would at least have to be a 170 if it was ever launched.

User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 5618 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Though, like all of Florida-Germany, the demand is largely from Dusseldorf and Munich, not Frankfurt.

All of Florida-Germany? That why the only German flight into MCO now goes to FRA?

Quoting Apodino (Reply 21):
The other thing not being mentioned here is that PHL-DAB is really pushing the limits of a CRJ-200 (Especially going through DC and JAX centers which cap and tunnel frequently), so one would think this would at least have to be a 170 if it was ever launched.

With increased traffic especially the day of the race, there could be some holding going on for flights arriving before the race.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months ago) and read 5240 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 21):
The other thing not being mentioned here is that PHL-DAB is really pushing the limits of a CRJ-200 (Especially going through DC and JAX centers which cap and tunnel frequently), so one would think this would at least have to be a 170 if it was ever launched.

I think for a low yeild place like DAB anything has to be a 70 seater unless is a speficific business market like DC.



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User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4653 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 21):
The other thing not being mentioned here is that PHL-DAB is really pushing the limits of a CRJ-200 (Especially going through DC and JAX centers which cap and tunnel frequently), so one would think this would at least have to be a 170 if it was ever launched.

I agree, but more because a larger aircraft is likely to be profitable. US has sent CRJ-200's on PHL-MCI/MSP before (1038 and 980 miles respectively) before they had as many E70/95/90s, which is why I made sure never to be on those flights, so it can definitely do 808 miles on PHL-DAB. Happily, US is flying bigger aircraft to MSP and MCI nowadays.


25 UN_B732 : I thought DL did run that MD-88 last year on CLT-DAB -A
26 PanAm330 : The CRJ can very easily do PHL-DAB. DL ran them LGA-DAB last winter without issue, and there are plenty of longer routes that are flown daily with CR
27 Pilotboi : Negative. They were going to at first, but later removed it because US practically raped that route with lots of 737s.
28 USAirALB : 1st service to Florida in LGA from US in years. They used to fly to MCO,FLL,PBI,MIA,RSW,TPA,JAX all scrapped after 9/11
29 A318 : Not sure what CO used to send to DAB back when they had service from EWR, but why don't they just use a Q400? Just a few times a week, maybe MoFrSa se
30 Cubsrule : EWR-DAB is a L-O-N-G flight for a DH4.
31 NASCARAirforce : They regularly used ERJ-145XRs with winglets for the most part. During Christmas and Winter season they bumped it up to 737-300s and 500s, and during
32 Cubsrule : Yes, though it's probably not the most efficient choice for a 800 mile stage length.
33 DeltaRules : Is CO coming back seasonally, or is that still up in the air?
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