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AM Applies "to Fly" To DEN, MSY  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

AeroMexico has applied with DOT to fly MSY-MEX (ERJ) and DEN-MEX (73G).

They will likely join Cleveland, Minneapolis, Oakland, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Washington Dulles, and routes like Miami-Puerto Vallarta and Houston-Guadalajara as routes that AM will never launch, but applies for anyway.

AM really likes collecting route authorities.


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3152 times:
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Actually AM did finally end up in CLE, but only charter service and not the combo of schedule and charter service as initially expected (as a CUN-CLE-CUN-CLE-CUN routing wrapped around a weekend, with the first and last legs as scheduled service). I believe this year they were doing PVR-CLE charter service, but I may be incorrect.


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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

They applied for service to DTW and AM is serving there. I was disappointed that AM didn't start MEX-MSP.

Did AM serve MSY in the past?



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3124 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Am Applies "to Fly" To DEN, MSY

Why the quotations? How else would Aeromexico get to either city?  boggled 

I think MSY has a better chance, all things considered. I was expecting them to not start DTW service either but, low and behold, they did.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26166 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

AeroMexico has a very bad habit of collecting route authorities that it never operates.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3058 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
Why the quotations? How else would Aeromexico get to either city?

They most likely won't fly to either.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
I was expecting them to not start DTW service either but, low and behold, they did.

Austin, Boston, Detroit, Fort Lauderdale and Seattle were actually launched, among their dozens of applications.

Austin barely lasted a year.

Boston was a disaster that lasted as long as it did (at 1x weekly) because the plane repositioned for a Saturday charter.

Detroit, I've heard, has done fine.

Fort Lauderdale was launched and discontinued. Twice.

Seattle has underperformed, frequency cut, and some flights now stop in Cabo San Lucas.



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2916 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
They will likely join Cleveland, Minneapolis, Oakland, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Washington Dulles, and routes like Miami-Puerto Vallarta and Houston-Guadalajara as routes that AM will never launch, but applies for anyway.

My opinion, Aeromexico has no business flying or even applying to serve Cleveland, Minneapolis, Oakland, Philadelphia, Denver, or New Orleans. Why do they keep applying when they're not serious??? who the hell knows.

I still think San Francisco and Washington Dulles have potential, and could happen someday.

How is Seattle doing for AM?? still struggling??


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

MSY has been pushing hard for new International service. I honestly see this one starting. The MSY area has seen a huge influx of Mexican residents over the past three years. If it starts, it would not surprise me or anyone else with knowledge of the area one bit.

Finally...potential good news!!!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
MSY has been pushing hard for new International service. I honestly see this one starting.

The start date of December 15, 2008 on the application already gives away the fact AM has no intention to begin the route in the near future. When they apply to hold authorities, they typically chose an arbitrary date only a few weeks out.

[Edited 2008-11-27 11:09:58]


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2642 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
The start date of December 15, 2008 on the application already gives away the fact AM has no intention to begin the route in the near future. When they apply to hold authorities, they typically chose an arbitrary date only a few weeks out.

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Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
MSY has been pushing hard for new International service. I honestly see this one starting. The MSY area has seen a huge influx of Mexican residents over the past three years. If it starts, it would not surprise me or anyone else with knowledge of the area one bit.

But 'tristar, none of this makes any difference: the point of Mark's thread is AM's well-known history of applying for new US routes and never starting them. It seems to make no difference if the market needs or deserves service or not or how much the US city wants to see a new int'l flag; I doubt that it even makes any difference if a route does well in the rare case that they actually start flying it -- it usually doesn't last anyway.

My advice to DEN and MSY: don't get excited about this until the first AM flight actually departs and then hold your breath for a couple of months to see if AM is still around!

bb


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Well, looks like DEN is actually going to start according to another thread.

DEN-MEX makes absolutely no sense to me with MX already in the market.

[Edited 2008-11-27 12:13:57]


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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2604 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):

But ironically, this time they will indeed open:

MEX-DEN
MEX-SFO
MEX-YYZ

The MEX-MSY add it to AM's collection.

g77



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2591 times:



Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 11):
But ironically, this time they will indeed open:

MEX-DEN
MEX-SFO
MEX-YYZ

The MEX-MSY add it to AM's collection.

Very happy with the San Fran and Toronto announcement. Those 2 airports are logical additions, and I think they'll do well.

Good luck on DEN and MSY, they're going to need it. I hope it works out


User currently offlinePecevanne From Mexico, joined Jun 2004, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

They think, over commission to travel agents will give them enough MXA passengers to support economics. Works on the beginning, then stop. History speaks, when Mr. Castrejon, former comercial Vice president in1991 used this strategic and worked fine for a very short term.
Look now about market share in USA and CANADA.
My prediction...They will be out of DEN very soon, SFO will stay 1 to 2 yr an maybe stay in YYZ for a while because AM has much better in flight service than AC.
My support of may idea is that, Den is a thin market, SFO super well covered by MX, already flying all airports around the BAY, even SAC.
Good luck both, AM and MX.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2559 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Well, looks like DEN is actually going to start according to another thread.

I must have missed it. Can someone provide a link to the AM site with confirmation of any of these routes? (I just looked it over and see nothing regarding Denver or San Fran...)

bb


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Just a couple of comments...

1) I'm well aware of AMs tendency to not start much of the service it applies for. Some of the routes applied for are interesting to say the least .

2) i'm not sure why some are surprised that MSY service has been applied for. There are growing business ties between the regions, as well as the before mentioned large Mexican population increase in the MSY area. It has been well documented in the area that the city and state have been pushing hard for international air service.

If, and I say if, the service starts, I would expect it to do very well.

And FYI, AM flew to MSY previously between 1992 and 2000.

It would be a welcome return.

So overall if I was a betting man I would say yes this route will take flight at some point... Hopefully sooner than later.


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