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User currently offlineCZECH380 From Czech Republic, joined Sep 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6970 times:

I just heard from someone in CSA management that A310's might be going away quite soon. They are looking at getting couple of Boeing 757 to do the PRG-JFK route. However they said that this route might be scraped all together. Most of their revenue comes from the East/Far East destinations in Russia, as most of the ex-pacs from Russia fly via Prague. They want to continue to focus on the ex-USSR market and transit market from those destinations to the rest of the west of Europe.

If the privatization would happen in the next few months, they would lean towards the Aeroflot option or China Southern. They don't really fancy the KE option as much.

With the new political situation, we might not see the sale of the airline though just yet. They said that the newly refurbished A310's are bit of a success with customers. However the A310 don't allow for the personal entertainment boxes or lie-flat seats, which I did not know, therefore postponing any upgrade until new fleet would come in.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6906 times:

Quoting CZECH380 (Thread starter):
They are looking at getting couple of Boeing 757 to do the PRG-JFK route.

A 757 can barely make PRG-JFK. It would likely be a logistical nightmare.

Quoting CZECH380 (Thread starter):
However the A310 don't allow for the personal entertainment boxes or lie-flat seats, which I did not know, therefore postponing any upgrade until new fleet would come in.

PTVs and lie-flat seats can be placed in an A310. Of course, there might be some economic reasons as to why it's not the best idea, added weight, the width of the A310 cabin might not be ideal for certain lie-flat layouts, the lie-flats would require removing too many coach seats, etc., but it is not a physical impossibility.

[Edited 2008-11-27 02:29:02]


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6889 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
the width of the A310 cabin might not be ideal for certain layouts, etc., but it is not a physical impossibility.

If it goes with an A340/A330 why should it not go with an A310.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):


Quoting CZECH380 (Thread starter):
They are looking at getting couple of Boeing 757 to do the PRG-JFK route.

A 757 can barely make PRG-JFK. It would likely be a logistical nightmare.

I believe that, too. The A310 is not the cheapest to operate, though.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4914 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6836 times:
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Quoting CZECH380 (Thread starter):
They are looking at getting couple of Boeing 757 to do the PRG-JFK route. However they said that this route might be scraped all together.

Perhaps they can do a full 50-50 Joint Venture with Delta and let DL operate the PRG-JFK route with their 763ERs. Already next summer, DL is planning to operate JFK-PRG 3x weekly on days that OK does not fly. Currently, both OK and DL already have ATI (anti-trust immunity), but not a full JV.


User currently offlinePRGLY From Czech Republic, joined Dec 2004, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6751 times:

Sending Czech Airlines into Aeroflot hands will mean quick death of the company, like Malev which was privatized by russians. I cannot understand Czech politicians how they can even think of selling it to Russian company. Czech airlines is by far better company than any russian airline or all of them together. People of Czech republic will never undertand if it will happen. Our very very bad experience with everything what came out of Russia in the past should simply prevent our government to go this way. Recent events in Georgia are just confirming our standpoint. If it will happen and proud CSA will be privatized by SU, that day will be the saddest day of czech aviation history.


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User currently offlinePRGDLGUY From Czech Republic, joined Sep 2006, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6709 times:



Quoting CZECH380 (Thread starter):
I just heard from someone in CSA management

can we get more details regarding your sources? Its just sounds like another rumor starter
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User currently offlineLuvflng From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2000, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6421 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
A 757 can barely make PRG-JFK. It would likely be a logistical nightmare.

Not really! Before you can make that conclusion you need to know the passenger configuration. Yes, at 188 pax impossible to do a westbound flight, but at 110 pax (i.e. United P.S. aircraft) 757 can make it both way without a problem.

Since we do not have the details, flying 757's is an option.

luvflng



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6374 times:



Quoting Luvflng (Reply 6):

Not really! Before you can make that conclusion you need to know the passenger configuration. Yes, at 188 pax impossible to do a westbound flight, but at 110 pax (i.e. United P.S. aircraft) 757 can make it both way without a problem.

That is not necessarily true. A 110-passenger 757 might make it, but in a low-density configuration, it has very heavy seats that might still make it difficult.

And, besides, even if we "don't know the details," we do know that Prague-U.S., as a low-yield market, requires a fairly high-density configuration. A 110-seat 757 won't cut it.



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User currently offlineCZECH380 From Czech Republic, joined Sep 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6196 times:



Quoting PRGDLGUY (Reply 5):

Not sure what kind of information on the sources would be appropriate - obviously not the name. It is someone who works in CSA management, that's as far as my comfort zone goes. It is in a way rumor (like 99% of this forum), since it is not a PR release, however it is from pretty secure source. That is , why this is called BLOG and not some kind of news agency resource.

As for the A310 being able to have the entertainment wiring - I am just repeating what I heard - what I heard was something to do with the way the floors are designed and some kind of harnesses being very difficult to install. As for the life-flat seats - they would be come very uneconomical in the 310 cabin.

Quoting Columba (Reply 2):

340/330 have completely different parameters - if you are missing even few inches from the cabin width - trust me, you feel it.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):

You said it yourself.... probably not economically viable.


User currently offlineShamrock104 From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6165 times:

I would have thought that now the Czech Republic are included, along with several other Eastern European countries in the US visa-waiver programme, this would be an ideal time for CSA to capitalise on this and build on their services to the USA by upgrading their A310s.

It seems a shame to see so many Central and Eastern European airlines just give up on their transatlantic routes - like Tarom etc. Shame to CSA go this way, they should at least try leasing A330s or something, at least then they can be proven wrong rather than simply giving up.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25457 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6135 times:



Quoting CZECH380 (Reply 8):
Quoting Columba (Reply 2):


340/330 have completely different parameters - if you are missing even few inches from the cabin width - trust me, you feel it.

A300/310/330/340 all have the same fuselage width.


User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6054 times:



Quoting CZECH380 (Thread starter):
If the privatization would happen in the next few months, they would lean towards the Aeroflot option or China Southern. They don't really fancy the KE option as much.

Since when was there a KE option?!


User currently offlineHonza From Czech Republic, joined May 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

off the topic

Quoting Shamrock104 (Reply 9):
along with several other Eastern European countries

If I tell you that Austria is right south of the Czech Republic, can you say it's also eastern European country? Sorry, I don't want to be touchy but have a look at some map of Europe (good example: http://www.eraradioamateurs.eu/conte.../files/immagini%20/europe_map3.gif ), we are almost perfectly in the middle of Europe so please don't put us somewhere else than Central Europe...  Wink


User currently offlineAlespesl From Czech Republic, joined Jan 2004, 582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5081 times:



Quoting Honza (Reply 12):
off the topic

Quoting Shamrock104 (Reply 9):
along with several other Eastern European countries

If I tell you that Austria is right south of the Czech Republic, can you say it's also eastern European country? Sorry, I don't want to be touchy but have a look at some map of Europe (good example: http://www.eraradioamateurs.eu/conte.../files/immagini%20/europe_map3.gif ), we are almost perfectly in the middle of Europe so please don't put us somewhere else than Central Europe...

What is the problem, politically we are eastern Europe, geographically we are central Europe. However who cares. It is just people's mind. It does not matter to me who says what if Eastern or Central.



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User currently offlineFlylot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4848 times:



Quoting Alespesl (Reply 13):
It is just people's mind. It does not matter to me who says what if Eastern or Central.

well that's true, but there still remains certain stigma associated with Eastern Europe. So it does matter.



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User currently offlineCZECH380 From Czech Republic, joined Sep 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4563 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):

Not entirely true - yes, the 300/310/330/340 family has the 222 inch cabin width, but it also is dependent on the interior paneling of each individual client. Plus I was more referring to the length of the bus. class section, which obviously would not allow the same amount of seats...


User currently offlineLuvflng From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2000, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4426 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
That is not necessarily true. A 110-passenger 757 might make it, but in a low-density configuration, it has very heavy seats that might still make it difficult.

And, besides, even if we "don't know the details," we do know that Prague-U.S., as a low-yield market, requires a fairly high-density configuration. A 110-seat 757 won't cut it.

Very heavy seats...? Not really. This comment was made just to illustrate that 757 can make it. For that matter, they can put in 110 economy seats (very light by today's technology) and not bother with first and business class. The point is 757 can make it. It all depends on payload and if somebody wants to start flying this plane across the pond from or to Central Europe needs to address that.

Low yield? Sure, I never expected that PRG-JFK would ever sell out the first class cabin or business. The UA P.S. 757 was an illustration and you took it too literally.

luvflng



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User currently offlineEaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

I heard that there was some interest from Icelandair Group. If they did buy it though then they would own Travel Service, SmartWings and CSA.

User currently offlineEyeonthesky17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4200 times:



Quoting Eaa3 (Reply 17):
I heard that there was some interest from Icelandair Group. If they did buy it though then they would own Travel Service, SmartWings and CSA.



Quoting CZECH380 (Thread starter):
If the privatization would happen in the next few months, they would lean towards the Aeroflot option or China Southern. They don't really fancy the KE option as much.

Hey... if they can 6-9 months, maybe Lufthansa would like to purchase them  eyepopping 


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4113 times:



Quoting Luvflng (Reply 16):
Very heavy seats...? Not really.

Um, yes, really. One first class seat can weight as much as six to eight coach seats.

Quoting Luvflng (Reply 16):
For that matter, they can put in 110 economy seats (very light by today's technology) and not bother with first and business class.

They could also lose a ton of money while they are at it. No way can a 757 in 110Y make a dime flying JFK-PRG, or pretty much any market for that matter.



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