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User currently offlineMarkdirk From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 99 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 30310 times:

Hello all, I am curious as to what happens to the remains of the airliners involved in crashes. For instance Eastern 401, after removed from the swamps of the florida everglades where was it taken and stored? Is there a standard procedure for where they place the wreckage for investigation? How long are wrecked/crashed airliners left in storage for? I have heard many stories, some for years, some stored in silos in farm country. Are there any still around? I am really curious as to what happened to the remains of Eastern Airlines 401 after it's crash, I can't explain why I was only an infant when it crashed near my home in Miami Lakes, FL, but it has fascinated me to find out what happened to the remains and other airliners that have crashed, what happens to them? Also does anyone have any info on how the removal of flight 401 from the everglades?

I am a flight attendant now, but studied Air Crash Accident Investigation at Embry-Riddle, this began my interest. If anyone has any information please share. Thank you.

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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7210 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 30261 times:

I believe that some internal fittings were re used and that there were reports that the ghost of the PilotI(?) were seen warning of dangers.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 30147 times:



Quoting Markdirk (Thread starter):
How long are wrecked/crashed airliners left in storage for? I have heard many stories, some for years, some stored in silos in farm country. Are there any still around?

The reassembled wreckage recovered from the TWA 800 crash in 1996 still exists and is used to train accident investigators.



User currently offlineLimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29933 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
The reassembled wreckage recovered from the TWA 800 crash in 1996 still exists and is used to train accident investigators.

What a chilling picture...

Any theory why the starboard skin right between the upper and lower deck wasn't found? Did the upper and lower decks separate?


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29887 times:

I'm still wondering what happened to the remains of AS261.... after the investigation of course...


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User currently offline808TWA From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 701 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29855 times:

In 2007, myself and a fellow A.net member visited the location of Air Canada flight 621, which crashed in Brampton back in 1970.

The location was an open field which was about to be prepared for residential construction. However, there were many fragmented articles to be found scattered around including pieces of china, window frame parts, sadly what also appeared to be bone fragments and some aluminium parts which we found. We were cautious to be respectful and ultimately we felt rather humbled to be at a location where so many died and yet also rather perturbed that it looked ready to have houses constructed on sacred ground. Can't imagine many prospective homeowners would be aware of the occurences there almost 40 years ago.

We had initially taken some items for our own collection, however my friend decided that it was kind of spooky and returned his small collection. I however kept my bits and pieces until I moved home this past summer.

General description of the fated flight can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_Flight_621



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7210 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 29777 times:

I ca'nt help thinking that discribing the cause as "crew error" is a bit harsh.

User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 29730 times:



Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 3):
Any theory why the starboard skin right between the upper and lower deck wasn't found?

To hide the missile damage.  Wow!



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 29699 times:

Quoting Markdirk (Thread starter):
but it has fascinated me to find out what happened to the remains and other airliners that have crashed, what happens to them? Also does anyone have any info on how the removal of flight 401 from the everglades?

Depending on access it might be left where it is... or cut up and taken to a scrap yard. Reusing of parts has become very hard under new FAA regulations that all rotable parts must be tracked and have not been involved in any accident. This is because there is no way to actually tell what stresses and forces the part has been exposed to.

[Edited 2008-11-27 13:48:44]


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User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 29581 times:

Pan Am 103 (aka the Lockerbie crash) remains are kept in Farnborough near London!


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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2226 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 29125 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 9):
Pan Am 103 (aka the Lockerbie crash) remains are kept in Farnborough near London!

All of it, even the seats?

I wonder if the cockpit section is still intact the way it was pictured on that horrific night.

Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 3):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
The reassembled wreckage recovered from the TWA 800 crash in 1996 still exists and is used to train accident investigators.

What a chilling picture...

Couldn't agree more, I spent 10 minutes staring at that picture, it just makes you think.... If only the insides of that plane can talk, we would have one interesting tale that would make a lot of people wonder, and also a lot of people to shut their mouths  Wink..



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User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 28777 times:

flight 401 crashed almost to a levee road in the everglades and what was left was crained onto a flatbed trailer and i believe taken to easterns hangar in miami. many parts were reused, and there was some myth going around that other l-10-11,s go parts later on were paid a visit by one of the crewman warning off any saety problems ,,,kinda weird,,,, i dont know what the l-10-11 safety record is i only recall the storm of the delta flight in dallas and i think one burned on the ground. now you have me woderning the saftey record of the l-10-11,s delta and eastern,and ata pan am ha a few and united had some on lease ,but i think thats all in the states that had an l-10-11 and i think they were all recycledfrom one airline to the next.
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But they were great planes, and it was really quite when they put that fairig hump in the rear in front of the engine.. i dont know why... Earlier planes you could barely hear the movie.
during the smokeing era the walls and ceilings changed color to a dingy brown color
along with the dc-10..401 crashed like on what christmas eve or new years eve , it was right before a holiday



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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 28746 times:



Quoting Markdirk (Thread starter):
Hello all, I am curious as to what happens to the remains of the airliners involved in crashes.

As far as I know, there is no standard. Some bits can be reused, under the right circumstances. Much is scrapped. Some, like TWA800, are kept for training. Pieces of JAL123 are still kept in a museum/memorial at JAL.

Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 3):
Any theory why the starboard skin right between the upper and lower deck wasn't found? Did the upper and lower decks separate?

The upper and lower decks didn't separate from each other (at least initially), but the whole front did separate from the rest of the airplane in mid flight. A lot of skin was ripped off during that period and would have fallen between the two main debris sites (the front and the back came down in quite different spots). There's a very good graphic of this in the NTSB report.

The structural failure started in the center wing box, propogated forward along the belly skin, then wrapped up and around the fuselage near the aft end of the upper deck.

Tom.


User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4845 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 28615 times:

Texas International's Flight 655 is still where it crashed on the side of a mountain near Mena, Ark. The CV-600 crashed in a very rugged area. I believe the only way to access the site was to drive 10 miles off the nearest road over rugged terrain in a 4WD vehicle.
The government wanted TI to move the plane as it was in a national forest, but TI argued that moving the wreckage may cause more environmental harm that just leaving it there as a lot of heavy equipment would be needed to remove it, and while some of the fuel in the plane leaked out and they moved it, there would be additional fuel spilled. So the government relented.
So it's still there. Periodically, local news stations will visit the site and report on what they found.

This report is from KTSB in Shreveport, La.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHkSo7djNlE



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User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 28007 times:

I believe there are still parts of the TWA Connie and UA DC-7 at the bottom of the Grand Canyon in some remote area.Crash occured in 56 or 57 , IIRC.

Seems there was an article in Airliners some years back about crash sites and discussed the Southern DC-9 crash near ATlanta, the EA DC-9 on approach to CLT, and the TWA DC-9 crash NE of DAY. I'm sure there were others.


Also, remember it was the following year that a farmer in Iowa/ Nebraska fround the fan disc from UA 232 in his field.

Off the top of my head, i'm sure at one time there were times you could visit or get close to other crash sites, such as the AA727 on approach to CVG, PA 727 at Kenner, LA, going back a long time , the TWA that crashed outside of Vegas that killed Carole Lombard in 1942?.


User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4845 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 27897 times:



Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 14):
he TWA that crashed outside of Vegas that killed Carole Lombard in 1942?.

Yup, that was TWA Flight 3 and some of it is there too, due to the very rough terrain it crashed in. It's been pretty much picked apart by souvenir hunters over the years, but some parts still remain..

http://www.birdandhike.com/Hike/Other_Areas/Lombard/_Lombard.htm



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User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 27791 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 10):

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 9):
Pan Am 103 (aka the Lockerbie crash) remains are kept in Farnborough near London!

All of it, even the seats?

I wonder if the cockpit section is still intact the way it was pictured on that horrific night.

Im not sure.I did get the grim oppurtunity to see it as I know a guy who works there, this was about 7 years ago around the time of the trial of one of the suspects and most of it was still there. It was basically still being treated as evidence and I believe it still is. But it too is also used as a training facility for CAA (UK) crash investigators.



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User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 27563 times:



Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 3):

TWA 800 remains were SECRETLY SCRAPPED in a Long Island scrap yard, some components went to Washington and disappeared...This was done secretly until three months after the fact ,then the NTSB didn't deny it.

Avianca crash...junk left next to Long Island Rail Road Yard and hauled away to scrap yard.

Depends on circumstanse of event. Rarely, tomy knowledge does the stuff hang around as crashes are bad press for the carrier and all justs wants to sweep the events under the rug...j
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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 27450 times:



Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 17):
TWA 800 remains were SECRETLY SCRAPPED in a Long Island scrap yard, some components went to Washington and disappeared...This was done secretly until three months after the fact ,then the NTSB didn't deny it.

You're joking, right? The lion's share of that airplane is sitting in the NTSB Academy right now. Really...

You know, people, at least in the United States, the government isn't really out to get you. Geez, get a grip.



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User currently offlineTHEENGINEER From Germany, joined Mar 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 27313 times:



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 18):
You know, people, at least in the United States, the government isn't really out to get you.

yes sure......


User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 27212 times:



Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 17):
TWA 800 remains were SECRETLY SCRAPPED in a Long Island scrap yard

Then how do you explain the picture in reply #2?



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 27194 times:



Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 13):
Texas International's Flight 655 is still where it crashed on the side of a mountain near Mena, Ark. The CV-600 crashed in a very rugged area. I believe the only way to access the site was to drive 10 miles off the nearest road over rugged terrain in a 4WD vehicle.
The government wanted TI to move the plane as it was in a national forest, but TI argued that moving the wreckage may cause more environmental harm that just leaving it there as a lot of heavy equipment would be needed to remove it, and while some of the fuel in the plane leaked out and they moved it, there would be additional fuel spilled. So the government relented.
So it's still there. Periodically, local news stations will visit the site and report on what they found.

This report is from KTSB in Shreveport, La.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHkSo...djNlE

Thanks for the link! What a neat story.

Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 14):
the TWA that crashed outside of Vegas that killed Carole Lombard in 1942?.

Yup, it is still there. Or at least a majority of it.

Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 14):
I believe there are still parts of the TWA Connie and UA DC-7 at the bottom of the Grand Canyon in some remote area.Crash occured in 56 or 57 , IIRC.

Yes a majority of the wrecks are still there. I flew over the UA crash site in a chopper in 1998, and the pilot pointed it out to me. Wreckage off the top of my head is Temple Butte, and Char Butte.

Also, there is a crash site outside of PDX, that holds most of the remains of a West Coast Airlines DC-9 series 10 (their first one). Crashed into a hillside.



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User currently offlineChapavaeaa From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 27145 times:

I know of at least one accident where all of the remains of the fuselage, engines, etc. were buried in a unmarked location. It took years for the litigation to be settled with all of the passengers families and the wreckage was stored in a building hundreds of miles from the scene of the accident.

User currently offlineLimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 27114 times:



Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 17):
TWA 800 remains were SECRETLY SCRAPPED in a Long Island scrap yard, some components went to Washington and disappeared.

Sure, and that stuff was flown to the disposal site on black helicopters operated by {The Illuminati, The Rothschilds, The Bilderbergers, The Bechtel Corporation, ...}...?

Come on... even if you don't think the U.S. government is basically benevolent, it should be pretty obvious that it is incompetent (it doesn't matter what you believe -- just watch the news, and you know this is true)... in other words, even if they wanted to cover up evil deeds (which they don't), they couldn't. In yet other words, conspiracy theories are basically retarded.


User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 27069 times:



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 18):

You're apparently too young and naive...

The lions share that you see in the photos is the same rebuild that everyone was allowed to see...including the press...it was the exact same rebuild that was set up in Calverton Long Island. that is the same exact wreckage now in VA being used as a study platform for student investigators.

You'll never see rebuild photos of the wings as they were smelted...You'll never see the horizontal stabs or vertical fin as they were cut up and smelted. The engine cores were scrapped except for one which dissapeared down in washington. That was the #4 engine.

What do you know...I saw the wreckage in the scrap yard myself, TWA data plates on parts, salt water corrosion on two destroyed JT9-D's, One 12 foot long main gear laying on a fifteen foot high pile of electrical wire and eelgrass...airframe structure bundled and wire tied into 6' x 8' cubes, all with Boeing part numbers...wing skin segements cut up into 18" x 24" slates and bundled up...number four engine pylon siitng in the dirt...AIN'T A WHOLE LOT OF WRECKED 747's WITH TWA MARKINGS OFF OF LONG ISLAND THESE DAYS!

At least four tons of that wreckage still exists under the sea.


25 Dwightm : Please tell me Soon7X7 is not up there flying any aircraft, especially for the airlines. Unless of course he is an Air Canada First Officer! I think S
26 4holer : Maybe the Gummint recovery crews can really take on a challenge and help you find your dignity. Belief in conspiracies does not make you special in a
27 Soon7x7 : The debris rebuild in image number two amounts to 90 feet of a 747. A 747 /100 series is 231 feet long. The total wing are of that model is 5,500 sq/
28 Soon7x7 : Whats a Gummint? Never said the word conspiracy nor am I implying it...get on the web and research reality?...theirs a laugh...I found reality as it
29 JBirdAV8r : Nah, just passed on wearing a tinfoil hat and decided to get a real job and life. You honestly believe that your FOIA (and obviously we can't tell ju
30 Soon7x7 : Ah stiffle......My answers to MARKDIRKS question were direct and substantiated with photos of the two events I mentioned. I could care less if you fi
31 PlaneInsomniac : Isn't it customary in a crash investigation to only reconstruct those parts which are deemed important for determining the cause of the crash? I reme
32 THEENGINEER : I don't think anyone here is trying to say that the whole TWA 747 wreck is being scrapped. Keeping in mind the mysterious way that plane crashed it ma
33 Post contains links and images Upcfordcruiser : Before the Pan Am message board vanished there were photos of the interior of the cockpit of the Clipper Maid of the Seas and the site where most of t
34 Dwightm : If I learned anything in all my years of service in the USMC is that it is impossible to get a group of military members below flag rank to keep anyth
35 Post contains links Viscount724 : Photos of the Swissair 111 wreckage recovery and reconstruction. http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/media/photo_...ckage/recovery/thumbs_recovery.asp http://www
36 AAMDanny : Yeah the British AAIB (Air Accident Investigation Branch) Have storage of several A/C remains that have happened over British Soil.
37 Legacytravel : You forgot to add the UA 767 that crashed on 9/11 was carrying missiles under the wings. Some people are govt. conspirasists no matter what. Mark in
38 Soon7x7 : You're correct. Based on the recovered debris, the investigators inmay cases have a good idea of where the starting point will be and if the airframe
39 Flyingfox27 : The BA 777-200 G-YMMM is still in a remote parking area near 27L at LHR, probably never going to be moved i think?
40 Legacytravel : I will be in LHR on Dec 27th but we will be arriving at night. I will be departing during the day maybe I can see the plane then. Mark in MKE
41 Ha763 : The JAL Safety Promotion Center is a very sobering place to visit. I got the opportunity to go there last week when I was in Tokyo. The public can vi
42 Dwightm : I lost my best friend on PSA 182 on 09-25-78 & my uncle on AA 191 on 05-25-79. Very rough year for our family. I believed then and still believe to th
43 Soon7x7 : Calm down,...you're ignorance becomes more evident with every vacuous word...You're interested in aviation?...this is an aviation topic...so whats yo
44 Dwightm : Angry? Me? If you are simply trying to pass your self off as a true conspiracy whack-job, than I thank you for the sad form of entertainment, though y
45 Soon7x7 : Why couldn't you answer like that before instead of trying to kick the stool out from under me, You lost relatives in flights this year. I'm sorry fo
46 Soon7x7 : For a writer, after all that, you said nothing of value...like I said ...Vacuous...don't bother to reply...
47 FX1816 : Not to take away from the "conspiracy theories" on TWA 800 but I have not seen the crash site but I was somewhat involved with the Emery DC-8 crash at
48 Soon7x7 : Please DO take us away from TWA800...I'm getting a migrane...this thread is not about conspiracy...Its about wreckage post crash and its disposition.
49 FX1816 : No problem, I guess, just an FYI though I was not insinuating anything other than moving the post more to the subject line. It does really change thi
50 Poadrim : Sorry // Wrong topic![Edited 2008-11-28 00:35:12]
51 Airevents : The remains of the Tu-154M RA-85621 operating Vnukovo Airlines flight 2801, which ended with a CFIT during approach to LYR/ENSB into the side of Mount
52 1stfl94 : I remember on an old documentary on air crashes they looked at Tenerife and twenty or so years after the crash it was still possible to find pieces of
53 CHRISBA777ER : Good post - people like this guy annoy me. I put this missile/Govt conspiracy nonsense in with chemtrails, 9/11 demolition charges, tin foil hats and
54 Ogre727 : I agree with you 100%, a million percent even. I find conspiracy theorists to be ... well it doesn't matter. The only thing that troubles me is the w
55 CHRISBA777ER : Thing is mate - people say they see Elvis alive and well, that they have seen ghosts, and that they didnt know Bush was a lying, murderous scumbag -
56 Post contains links Bongodog1964 : The UK media reported not so long back that the wreckage was piled in a heap dumped in the corner of a scrapyard; this included photos. It transpired
57 Efcar98 : Air florida flight which crashed in the Potomac River in the early 80s, the remains were stored in a vacant lot at the intersection of River Road and
58 Timmytour : The remains of the Air Philippines flight RP-C3010 which crashed near Davao in April 2000 were buried under concrete where they lay to prevent scaveng
59 SEPilot : In 1948 or 1949 a B-29 (yes, I know this topic is about airliners) crashed on Hawks Mountain in Weathersfield, VT, just beyond the airport I used to r
60 Chapavaeaa : Has anyone on this board actually been involved in the physical identification of aircraft parts/pieces after an accident of the TWA 800 size? I've be
61 Post contains links and images SXDFC : Unfortunately when ever the name TWA 800 pops up anywhere- there is always a conspiracy tale to it, I have my own beliefs on what caused it, but its j
62 B707forever : There was a book written about EA401, I believe it was calle the Ghost of 401 or something like that. I read it. Many of the parts were used on other
63 Socalfive : Why exactly do you think this is 'unfortunate'? I honestly don't know if there was any conspiracy or not on this thing because I've never studied it
64 SEPilot : I read that book as well; it was very important in my life for reasons I will not go into at this point. But the reason for the crash was that they w
65 ClassicLover : What a gorgeous cabin! It's 1988 when that photo was taken and it's amazing... clean lines, excellent colour scheme - wow! I'm impressed! I was alway
66 SXDFC : What I mean is when ever the topic of Flight 800 comes up, there's always one or more persons input or some sort of an argument that starts anywhere,
67 Tdscanuck : There's no mystery about how it crashed. The center wing tank blew up, leading to structural failure. There is *zero* evidence for any other explanat
68 474218 : If it wasn't the cause all the manufactures of large passenger aircraft and the airlines that flew them, did millions of hours of research, redesign,
69 Post contains links and images SXDFC : Was that picture above the picture you are referring to? Note I believe the F/Os yoke is missing? What ever happened to the Capt's window, etc?
70 Post contains links Multimark : Many remains of Trans-Canada Airlines Flt 810 crash can still be found on Mt. Slesse, just east of Vancouver: http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.as
71 Post contains links ClassicLover : For that matter, most of TE901, the Air New Zealand DC-10 ZK-NZP remains on Mount Erebus in Antarctica. http://www.southpolestation.com/trivia/histor
72 Post contains links Viscount724 : Various pieces of the Air India L749 Constellation that crashed into Mont Blanc, the highest mountain in the Alps and western Europe (15,781 ft.), in
73 Soon7x7 : Why does the UK hold onto the PanAM 103 debris, for so long?...especially keeping it in the outside elements which greatly degrades the quality of wh
74 Bongodog1964 : Thats the big question the media asked when the story broke last year. It probably comes down to one of two things: 1, The scrapyard presented its in
75 TDubJFK : Wait .. here you are poking around the crash site, pilfering and collecting airplane crash parts and walking on bone fragments of the people killed i
76 TDubJFK : Two movies, actually .. but the better one was the one with Adrienne Barbeau and Sharon Gless as stewardesses. Lots of EA L10 footage and pretty dece
77 Soon7x7 : When the section 41 departed the airframe, open to the slipstream is an open ended 20 foot diameter tube closed at the far end, in addition to incred
78 474218 : Both the movies were made for televesion in 1978. One was called "The Ghost of Flight 401" the other was "The Crash of Flight 401". Adrienne Barbeau
79 Soon7x7 : Is that general practice for UK not to discard wreckage?...here in the US unless its out in the rockies, they want this stuff to vaporize. One of the
80 Tdscanuck : That's probably a fair assumption. That I don't believe. Just prior the explosion, the airplane was in a steady climb, so lift = weight. After the lo
81 Post contains links TDubJFK : I just double checked on IMDB to see if i was wrong , but it shows her listed as stewardess Leslie Fuller in "Crash". http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002
82 474218 : Your correct, there she is, I just didn't look close enough.
83 Soon7x7 : I would have thought that CG in this regard would have been a factor measured in seconds which would have then resulted in immediate wing stall as yo
84 Post contains images DingDong : Not surprising, really. What happened to STS 51-L resulting in a sudden end to the mission: - Cold weather reduced performance of the SRBs' rubber se
85 Soon7x7 : Again, I'll say this for the tenth time..I don't believe nor did I mention "conspiracy" however since the FBI and the CIA are not Aircrash specialist
86 Post contains images FlySSC : The Air India L749 Constellation named "Malabar Princess" is very famous in the region. One of the engines was recovered on the "Glacier des Bossons"
87 TDubJFK : No, no, silly -- that was Ernest Borgnine!
88 Bongodog1964 : The primary reason in this case, was the ongoing criminal prosecution, this took many years, and of course even after a successful prosecution, there
89 F9Animal : Incredible. The wheel almost looks brand new. By the way, this has to be one of the most interesting topics I have seen. Love the info, learning, and
90 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Photo of the AI L749 engine (Wright R-3350) recovered two months ago The person in the photo chartered a helicopter to remove the engine from the mou
91 Post contains links Khobar : It's also customary in a crash investigation to follow the evidence to arrive at a conclusion rather than to start with the conclusion and work backw
92 Post contains links Prinair : Although not a commercial aircraft you can hike to the remains of a B36 Peacemaker bomber that crashed into the Franklin Mountains minutes from the we
93 474218 : " target=_blank>www.localhikes.com/Hikes/FMSPB36_23....0.asp I would like to but the link doesn't work?
94 N14AZ : Interesting thread. Another case maybe worth to mention is the A330 that crashed in TLS in 1994 during a test flight. I remember reading that the cras
95 Post contains images Soon7x7 : I'll personally refer to two incidents I experienced during the TWA800 incident...One half hour after the crash, I was out at Gabreski airport and wa
96 Post contains links Prinair : Sorry about that... Just go to www.localhikes.com Then once the welcome page pops up on screen scroll down to where you can read "Texas - El Paso" Cli
97 Post contains links and images Mestrugo : I've heard a lot of tales about Eastern Flight 401 and the 'ghost' that was seen by many people in Eastern's L-1011s, and I always have found that mos
98 474218 : Mestrugo, The part that was supposedly recovered and reused was an oven door. The ovens on Eastern's L-1011's were manufactured by a company called Bo
99 Khobar : That's all fine and good, but it doesn't change the fact that there is no conclusive evidence of an outside cause. At best there is a lot of circumst
100 Post contains links Mestrugo : Check this out: http://www.amazon.com/review/R2PZ3XO7BALPP6 "The airline salvaged the galley equipment from the plane. I know this is a fact because
101 Type-Rated : Have any of the former EA employees that inhabit this site ever heard anything about these 401 ghosts from other employees while at EA?
102 JOEYCAPPS : Am I the only one that thinks this petulant arguing about conspiracies and what not is extremely uncalled for in situations like this? People DIED in
103 FX1816 : Amen to that, finding out whether or not there is/was a cover up on ANY air crash will NOT bring people's loved ones back so why go on about it?? FX1
104 Post contains images 474218 : " target=_blank>http://www.amazon.com/review/R2PZ3XO...ALPP6 Its a nice story but simply not true. The L-1011 that crashed in the Everglades was s/n
105 Post contains images FlySSC : Back to the original subject of this topic : Some remains of crashed airliners sometimes end up in ... a car storehouse ! like this Alitalia DC9-32 I-
106 TXJim : If you had the oppertunity to hike the Aeia Loop trail on Oahu, you would have been able to see the remains of a B24 Army Air Corps bomber that crashe
107 PRINAIR : I looked into my EA flight attendant manual and the instructions on how to use the ovens. The oven choices for airlines were either Nordskog or the Bo
108 PRINAIR : Does anyone know if there is anything left of the TWA aircraft that crashed in the Sandia Mountains outside of Albuquerque back in the late 40s?
109 Post contains links Mestrugo : There's a site at http://www.hkhinc.com/newmexico/flt206/ where you can get the route to reach the wreck site. "As you approach the site, you'll see
110 Airtechy : Didn't parts from the American Airlines 757 that crashed in the mountains of Columbia start to appear for sale forcing a list of banned serial number
111 Bill142 : The remains of TE (Air New Zealand) 901 which crashed into Mt Erebus in Antartica can still be seen in the warmer months when the snow melts.
112 JetJeanes : Now that i do recall the Ntsb was told to back away and the twa accident was controled by the fbi.. We have 90 feet of which the explosion occured but
113 Post contains links CBPhoto : Again, not a commercial aircraft, but there are a lot of pieces that are left up on the San Francisco peaks in Flagstaff of a B-24 that crashed up the
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