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Conviasa Buying 2 IL-96-300?  
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10960 times:

I read this a few minutes ago (in Spanish)

http://www.elespectador.com/noticias...-compra-de-dos-aviones-comerciales

Any confirmation?


I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
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User currently offlineCivilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10896 times:

Yes, it has already been signed and sealed during Russia's President official visit to Venezuela.

Conviasa will get 2 IL-96-300 soon.

Greetings from Cancún


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10797 times:



Quoting Civilav (Reply 1):
Yes, it has already been signed and sealed during Russia's President official visit to Venezuela.

Conviasa will get 2 IL-96-300 soon.

Great!!! As Conviasa is currently doing quite a lot of charter flights to CUR will they send the IL96 to CUR too? December is the peak season after all....

A388


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2353 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10649 times:

Too bad this does not get more attention, as it is a very rare type. How many IL-96-300's to date have been delivered? How many are on order?


There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7612 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10627 times:

http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=253

Does this help?.


User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 482 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10592 times:

It's great even if they were talking about it a long time ago (maybe some Tu-204 also). There are informations about a maintenance hub in Cuba for South American airlines (Venezuela, Bolivia and maybe Brazil) which could buy russian aircrafts such as Il-96 and Tu-204 (both models operated by Cubana).
Now, I'd like to know when they'll receive their first one. Remember orders from Syria, Zimbabwe and Iran....... We are still waiting  Sad


User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10582 times:



Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 5):
Now, I'd like to know when they'll receive their first one. Remember orders from Syria, Zimbabwe and Iran....... We are still waiting  Sad

Exactly my thoughts too... would love to hear how those orders are materializing, or where they simple fan-fair and propaganda? Maybe this order is just an other one? I hope not...  Sad



Peet7G
User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2353 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10565 times:



Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 4):
Does this help?.

Yes, but I assumed this was out of date, no?



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10450 times:

They are beautiful looking birds.

I wonder whether they might use them to Europe - MAD maybe?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10278 times:

But we need to wait.. everything related to Hugo Chavez must be taken carefully, 90% of what he announces turns out to be BS*


I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10216 times:

Cubana has tons of problems with the IL-96 but they can´t buy other plane.

I´ve been flying there 2 years and they really want to buy A330 an A320. They operate some A330 leased to Novair, and they are using TACA A320.


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10212 times:

Cubana has tons of problems with the IL-96 but they can´t buy other plane.

I´ve been flying there 2 years and they really want to buy A330 an A320. They operate some A330 leased to Novair, and they are using TACA A320.

Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 5):
maintenance hub in Cuba for South American airlines

I think it will be a better idea to set up this hub in Venezuela, Cuba has many problems with supplies and bureaucracy.


User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9695 times:

It's a ridiculous aircraft. This is purely political, no economics playing any part in that matter.

Flightcrew of 3 (?!!!), max speed of 0.84Mach (which is the average cruising speed of a 777), 4900nm maximum range with full payload... it's a useless piece of junk, completely outdated, absolutely not profitable especially in troubled economies. Not to mention that it's not like we're even close to talking about fly by wire here... (no offense but, C'mon...). It was even grounded for a good period of time in 2005... for safety reasons !

And it doesn't stop there... there's the noise, the comfort...

How can a rational airline make such a ridiculous investment ?

Not to mention that Chavez and Medvedev seem to be going along quite well... combined military exercises, joint research efforts in many "new" technologies, and plane sales... How great. Cold war all over again.

I'm going to get flamed for this but I can't see how what I said is wrong...



Cheers
User currently offlineAirliner777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9664 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 10):
Cubana has tons of problems with the IL-96 but they can´t buy other plane.

I wish they had bought a set of A332s. How problematic are the -96s?

Saludos!
Airliner777


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3795 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9156 times:
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Will these two aircraft be delivered factory fresh, or they will come from another operator?
I don't even know if Ilyushin is still making it.



Ben Soriano
User currently offlineSkyfellow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9071 times:



Quoting AF1624 (Reply 12):
Not to mention that Chavez and Medvedev seem to be going along quite well... combined military exercises, joint research efforts in many "new" technologies, and plane sales... How great. Cold war all over again.

All you need to make a friend in this world is a common enemy.

So in the wake of this mentality comes the ridiculous deals intended to strengthen political ties rather than promoting the free enterprise of business.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25397 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8940 times:

Even Aeroflot thinks the IL-96 are lemons.

From an recent interview with its Director.

Let's compare the wide bodies. We have long been operating the Ilyushin Il-96, while we have Boeing 767-300ER. The Ilyushin burns 12 tonnes per hours, the Boeing 5.5 tonnes. Let's multiply 10,000's flight hours by six tonnes of fuel-- that's the sort of saving we can get through fleet renewal.

Our priorities are simple, when we replace a Soviet airliner for similarly sized Airbus or Boeing, we save fuels in the order of tonnes per hour, while also seeing much greater operating reliability, and passenger comfort.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8857 times:



Quoting AF1624 (Reply 12):
I'm going to get flamed for this but I can't see how what I said is wrong...

Why would you get flamed for such an accurate comment? I believe this is another disastrous decision made by the Venezuelan government, who once again demonstrates how unworried for the economy and out of common sense they are. As you mentioned above, these planes do suck (even if there are lovers of the model) but we all know how unefficiend and costy these planes can get to be.

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 12):
How can a rational airline make such a ridiculous investment ?

And since when is Conviasa a rational airline?

Thanks



Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8784 times:
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Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 11):
I think it will be a better idea to set up this hub in Venezuela, Cuba has many problems with supplies and bureaucracy.

Yes, but it's not like they'll have trouble in obtaining supplies for a Russian aicraft maintenance facility now, is it?

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 12):
It's a ridiculous aircraft

No it isn't, it's a beautiful piece of engineering, whatever its shortcomings, and you should be ashamed of yourself for making such a comment on a site intended for alleged aviation-enthusiasts.

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 12):
no economics playing any part in that matter.

Oh right, so not even in the cost of the units and with the relative ease they can be acquired?

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 12):
it's a useless piece of junk, completely outdated

Just as I thought, there is no way in hell you be an even slightly genuine aviation fan if you really dismiss the aircraft in such disparaging terms. Shame. There's no need to be insulting if you want to talk about costs, efficiency etc.

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 12):
It was even grounded for a good period of time in 2005... for safety reasons !

Well, those measures seem to have worked, what the aircraft not having ever suffered a loss.

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 12):
How can a rational airline make such a ridiculous investment ?

How can you think it's sensible to make your point here with such venom and a complete lack of respect?



✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8772 times:



Quoting 797 (Reply 17):
And since when is Conviasa a rational airline?

You took the words out of my mouth brother....



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineDennys From France, joined May 2001, 888 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8698 times:

WOW !!! that are very good news !!! I do hope CONVIASA will fly Paris with them .

why not CCS MAD ORY

Why not CCS ORY ROM


either with IL96 .... or A342 ( which would be great too !!


regards

dennys


User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8389 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 18):
No it isn't, it's a beautiful piece of engineering, whatever its shortcomings, and you should be ashamed of yourself for making such a comment on a site intended for alleged aviation-enthusiasts.



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 18):
Just as I thought, there is no way in hell you be an even slightly genuine aviation fan if you really dismiss the aircraft in such disparaging terms. Shame. There's no need to be insulting if you want to talk about costs, efficiency etc.

I'm sorry what ? I'm not an aviation enthusiast/fan because I hate one particular aircraft ? Get a life.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 18):
Oh right, so not even in the cost of the units and with the relative ease they can be acquired?

That is not the point.

The point is that the government of Venezuela (well, actually, not the government but Hugo Chavez as it's pretty much a one-man state) has clearly shown an anti-american anti-libertarian anti-"western" political orientation in recent (and not so recent) years.

Buying aircraft from Russia, which clearly also shares those views (see Tu-95 Bears flying over Guam and northern UK last year, just to show they're still able to fly over potential western military targets), is a political move.

Especially when you think that was a move made during Medvedev's visit in Venezuela, during which he also signed oil research and exploitation contracts and started a program of joint military exercises.

If it's not clear enough to you that it's all political, you should really consider getting an education of some sort.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 18):
There's no need to be insulting if you want to talk about costs, efficiency etc.

I actually think I was quite factual there. Even the president of Aeroflot, as posted previously, says those aircraft are twice as thirsty as, say, a 767-300ER. It's so clear, how can you not see that ?

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 18):
Well, those measures seem to have worked, what the aircraft not having ever suffered a loss.

Well it's really easy to not suffer a loss when you barely fly. Want to compare the number of IL-96's flying as we speak with the number of 767's ? Or A330's ? Peuh-lease.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 18):
How can you think it's sensible to make your point here with such venom and a complete lack of respect?

I'm not the one making personal attacks my dear British Russian jet lover. I'm not the one commenting on the size of your fondness of aircraft.

I'm the one saying the truth, being astonished by the amazing wrong move from Conviasa, that was entirely based on political orientation rather than rational business... and Venezuelan members of this forum here agree with me on that matter !

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 18):
it's a beautiful piece of engineering

Well I tend to judge aircraft by what they're capable of, and not by their looks.

And if by "beautiful" piece of engineering you mean "well built", then again I ask... what's wrong with your perception of the world ? It's a heavy, underpowered, gas thirsty, slow, uncomfortable, noisy aircraft.



Cheers
User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8384 times:



Quoting Dennys (Reply 20):
I do hope CONVIASA will fly Paris with them

Well, if they're ready to pay for noise abatment fines, why not  Big grin

But they can be assured that one of the frequent EU-guided aircraft inspections will be reserved for them. If they're not already blacklisted, that is...



Cheers
User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 482 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8316 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 21):
uncomfortable

Just one word..... I flew on an Aeroflot Il-96 and it was a very confortable aircraft and not noisy at all (at least in the cabin) but I don't think this aircrafts is so noisy outside?????
Of course, no PTV but it's only a airline's choice (flown on a KLM 744 two months ago and no PTV.......).

[Edited 2008-11-29 04:44:03]

User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 482 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8309 times:

And maybe let's go back to an old topic concerning Il-96....
Seems it was not so bad......

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/2338008/

Concerning the lot of problems Cubana could have with this aircrafts, I've never heard about large number of flight delay or cancellation due to technical problems........

Please AF1624, give us more informations about your sources......


25 Fabi737 : In a Venezuelan newspaper I read Conviasa is planning to fly twice a week to Moscow in partnership with Russia I assume Aeroflot and due to the withdr
26 Skyfellow : I thought there were plans to equip the Il-96 with PW engines and advanced, and western, avionics. I guess these plans never materialized, at least n
27 A388 : You are right, there were plans to "Westernize" the IL96 with PW engines and a new cockpit. This was back in 1997 as far as I can remember but I have
28 Post contains links and images A388 : I just went through my old photo archive and I came across my photos taken at the Paris Air Show back in 1997 which show the IL-96 cargo version with
29 RussianJet : Some aircraft I am not so keen on either, but I still appreciate them for what they are - amazing machines. Again, no need to be insulting. I have a
30 Dennys : oh please , my friends , you have so many A332s / 777s / 767s ... let them have a pure sovietic Soviet made aircraft : the IL96 - 300 .... just 2 ...
31 A342 : Yes, we are. Get your facts straight. I have to agree with RussianJet. Nobody forces you to like it. But instead of at least appreciating some divers
32 Skyfellow : I just returned from Bankok, Thailand (work related trip, and got out just a while before this mess unfolded that you read about on Yahoo and elsewhe
33 TrijetsRMissed : It may be a lemon, however, diversity and rare types are what I like seeing as a spotter. That being said, then why not purchase an ex-TZ DC-10 or bet
34 Delta763 : OK, I can see how the Il-96 can be appreciated as an impressive rare aircraft for those of us who love aviation. They are attractive in this age of co
35 ME AVN FAN : - while you of course are correct with the facts, ridiculous it is not - I have never flown aboard an IL-96, but loved the comfort of the Tu-154M and
36 American 767 : Absolutely. It is Russia's largest airliner and it is a beautiful machine, esthetically as beautiful as a 744 or A340. It may not be as fuel efficien
37 Delta763 : I seem to recall reading somewhere that the assembly line had been permanently retooled to only produce the stretched -400 version going forward. Thi
38 PlunaCRJ : If they finally add the IL-96s, I don´t see them retiring their A340, as the CCS-DAM route is just too long for the Illyushin. The truly uneconomic s
39 MIA : I dont know how they are going to manage to train the pilots for the IL-96. They barely got them certified for the A340. Are they still having staffin
40 ME AVN FAN : - Isn't it the CCS-DAM-THR route ? And if so, they simply might add another landing or two, for instance a stop in Algiers. -
41 RussianJet : With a little help from their friends, I expect.
42 Post contains links TristarCrazy : Il-96M from Wikipedia Il-96T at the MAKS Airshow, August 2007This is a stretched variant of the Il-96-300. It features a 10 m (30 ft) fuselage stretc
43 A388 : " target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushi...Il-96 Thanks for the information TristarCrazy. A388
44 JCS17 : Yes, there is a difference between having an appreciation for an aircraft, and being a complete fan boy/ignoring the simple facts. The IL-96 purchase
45 RussianJet : Indeed, just like there's a huge difference between making valid points about the efficiency of a given aircraft or other aspects of its technical pe
46 AF1624 : if by amazing machine you mean it's amazing that it's capable of flight, I agree with you. Indeed, I wonder how they got it to fly at some point. I'm
47 Eirik : I flew Cubana´s IL-96 from Havana to Madrid last year, in business/ tropicana class, and have absolutely no hurry to repeat that experience.Not bad,
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