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Former FL 73G To DL?  
User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

I did a search and have found nothing.

I heard a rumor this evening that DL has picked up a former FL 73G. Has anyone else heard this or even seen the airplane?


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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2857 times:



Quoting 727forever (Thread starter):

No. Delta TechOps does contract maintenance for a number of other airlines. Two ex-FL 73Gs were recently spotted at the ATL TOC being prepared for their new operators, Enerjet.

Non-issue. Delta has not acquired any ex-FL aircraft.

This type of question is asked pretty regularly. Someone sees an aircraft on the TOC ramp that is not in Delta colors and immediately assumes Delta has acquired it. It never ceases to amaze me.


User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2849 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 1):
This type of question is asked pretty regularly. Someone sees an aircraft on the TOC ramp that is not in Delta colors and immediately assumes Delta has acquired it. It never ceases to amaze me.

One can hope.

The person who told me about it was another DL employee who heard it from a FL mech... I know, consider your sources. I knew someone on here would know for sure.

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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

To add, we deferred delivery of ships 3605 and subsequent. It's nonsensical to think we'd take any of AirTran's 73Gs when we ourselves are deferring deliveries of our own 73G new builds.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2836 times:



Quoting 727forever (Reply 2):
One can hope.

Hope what? That FL continues to sell airframes to remain profitable? Perhaps. In that case they'd probably run out of airplanes to sell.  duck 


User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2811 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
It's nonsensical to think we'd take any of AirTran's 73Gs when we ourselves are deferring deliveries of our own 73G new builds.

Except that all too often what seems sensical to you and I is not to be found by those making decisions. On the onset yes it would seem nonsensical to defer new builds while taking second hand aircraft, that is unless the deal is just too sweet to pass up. Anyway, as you said, the rumor is just that and those two airplanes are heading for Enerjet.

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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2806 times:



Quoting 727forever (Reply 5):
On the onset yes it would seem nonsensical to defer new builds while taking second hand aircraft, that is unless the deal is just too sweet to pass up.

In the case of the MD-90s, we're hunting for birds. In the case of 73Gs, we're not.

Quoting 727forever (Reply 5):
Anyway, as you said, the rumor is just that and those two airplanes are heading for Enerjet.

One has already been delivered. The second is already in Enerjet colors pending delivery to the Canadian carrier.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9245 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2788 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 4):
Hope what? That FL continues to sell airframes to remain profitable? Perhaps. In that case they'd probably run out of airplanes to sell

What would be nice is if Delta got the FL 717s.........DC-9 replacement anyone?  duck 



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2766 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7):

No. The only 717s Delta might get are the Midwest planes. See, this his how rumors are started. DeltaL1011man, did you start the ex-FL 737 rumor as well?  banghead 


User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2745 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 8):
See, this his how rumors are started.

No, he is not the one who started the rumor that I heard. However, it does seem as though you are into jumping on people for sharing their comments. I do like his hope though. I'd like to see some 717s show up at DL as well. An airplane that size is certainly needed.

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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

Not at all. Sarcasm and humor aren't conveyed easily over this forum unfortunately.

Anyway, we've already conducted simulator evaluations at Alteon for a possible ex-Midwest 717 acquisition. There was a lengthy discussion recently here about it and that's why I mentioned it.

AirTran's presence in ATL is just fine and dandy with me and healthy for competition domestically. If they weren't here, Southwest would be. I'd take FL's presence over WN's any day.


User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2715 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 10):
AirTran's presence in ATL is just fine and dandy with me and healthy for competition domestically. If they weren't here, Southwest would be. I'd take FL's presence over WN's any day.

Now, something we are in agreement on. I didn't see the post on the 717 evaluations. I flew them briefly and it is a good airplane though not as efficient as FL likes to tout it as. I found that an average fuel burn in cruise was 5,000 to 5,400 lbs/hr. Not much lower than the much larger A319/A320 but not much higher than the smaller E190. I would think that they could be a great bargain on the used market right now. Do the former Midwest airplanes have the aft airstairs?

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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2696 times:



Quoting 727forever (Reply 11):
Do the former Midwest airplanes have the aft airstairs?

Indeed they do.


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9245 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2680 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 8):
No. The only 717s Delta might get are the Midwest planes. See, this his how rumors are started. DeltaL1011man, did you start the ex-FL 737 rumor as well?

Heck no........I was just hoping...... Wink(thats what the  duck  was for)

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 10):

Not at all. Sarcasm and humor aren't conveyed easily over this forum unfortunately.

true that

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 10):
AirTran's presence in ATL is just fine and dandy with me and healthy for competition domestically. If they weren't here, Southwest would be. I'd take FL's presence over WN's any day.

agreed

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 12):
Indeed they do.

Does DL's M90s? (did MDD even give this options for the M90s?) I can't seem to remember.



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2663 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 13):
Does DL's M90s?

All of Delta's T-tail planes are equipped with ventral stairs, including the M90s, yes.


User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

That pic does not have the stairs down. That is the catwalk that goes back to the tail cone. It's hard to tell from this photo if there really is stairs under the catwalk or not. As in the MD-88 the 717 has the cat walk that pivots over where the stairs would be if installed.

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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Quoting 727forever (Reply 15):

Upon some further research I appear to be wrong in my above post. McDonnell Douglas, and later Boeing, did not offer ventral stairs on the 717. Strange, though, that they still kept the catwalk installed - seems to me a waste of space and weight.

[Edited 2008-11-28 02:07:02]

User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2426 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 16):
Strange, though, that they still kept the catwalk installed - seems to me a waste of space and weight.

It's kept so that there is access to the tail emergency exit...the tail cone. Hence why you see the EXIT markings on the floor of the catwalk.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2387 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 17):
Hence why you see the EXIT markings on the floor of the catwalk.

 checkmark  Right, forgot about that. McD's are my weakness, hardly ever paid attention to the details with those. Big grin


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2023 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 6):
In the case of the MD-90s, we're hunting for birds.

Any progress on that?

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 10):
AirTran's presence in ATL is just fine and dandy with me and healthy for competition domestically. If they weren't here, Southwest would be. I'd take FL's presence over WN's any day.

Amen brother!

Iam one for competition also but it was always kind of cool to see the rivalry between Delta/ASA and AirTran. I remember when Delta ended their ticketing agreement with them...



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