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Chinese Regional Jet Completes First Flight!  
User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 494 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12996 times:

SHANGHAI, Nov 28 (Reuters) - China's first domestically developed regional aircraft, the ARJ21-700, completed its maiden test flight on Friday, the Xinhua news agency said.

The 90-seat jet, unveiled last December, landed safely at an airport in Shanghai after an hour's flight, Xinhua said on its website.

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssT...iaTelecomNews/idUSSHA8510120081128

Pictures and more details articles for those who read Chinese:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2008-11/28/content_10426893.htm

[Edited 2008-11-28 02:01:47]

75 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4521 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12974 times:

Good to see the boeing 717 still flying.  Wink

Nah really, I hope this little jet is successful, quite the beautiful aircraft, looks very similar to a 717, and I hope it does better saleswise.


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 12800 times:

Congratulations to ACAC on getting the bird into the air!

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 1):
I hope this little jet is successful, quite the beautiful aircraft, looks very similar to a 717, and I hope it does better saleswise.

If there are 208 on order as it says on the Reuters report, I think it has probably already outsold the 717.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20191 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 12804 times:

Who made the engines?

User currently offlineMarquis From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 12716 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):

The ACAC ARJ21 is powered by GE CF-34-10A (68,2 KN) engines.



Riding the radials...
User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 12712 times:

General Electric - CF34-10A

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6952 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 12697 times:

It's a DC9-10/20 with MD80 wings + winglet, oversized CRJ engines and CRJ flight deck systems... and errr... take out the eyebrow windows... new tailcone too perhaps????

Mandala499



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User currently onlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 12688 times:



Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 1):
Good to see the boeing 717 still flying.

Boeing? Puh-leeze... Mad Dog will always remain a Mad Dog!!! Big grin



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5945 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 12642 times:
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Looks more like an ultra-wide CRJ-700 to me more than a 717/MD-95 with winglets.

User currently offlineRicciPettit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 12615 times:

Is it me or does the underside and leading edge of the wings look dirty already?

User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 12575 times:

Who ordered it? I know some chineese airlines and two for Lao Airlines but are there some other foreign airlines?

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 12338 times:

So how much in royalties will Boeing be getting paid per frame produced?

User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 12285 times:

Flyf15, none, they´re not involved in this project, but the Sukhoi RRJ.
More on http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-arj21-completes-first-flight.html


User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 12270 times:



Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 10):
Who ordered it? I know some chineese airlines and two for Lao Airlines but are there some other foreign airlines?

Shanghai Airlines, Shandong Airlines and Xiamen Airlines,Kunpeng Airlines Co ( in partnership with Mesa and Shenzhen), GECAS,and LAO


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 12242 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 12):
Flyf15, none, they´re not involved in this project

Well, in the sense that the Chinese practically copied major sections of MD airframes to make this thing, I would hope that Boeing is getting something out of the deal....


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 12183 times:

Looks like a CRJ and a 717 had a kid...

User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4521 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 12162 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 15):
Looks like a CRJ and a 717 had a kid...

I'd have liked to have been a fly on the wall for that rendezvous XD.

Its not a bad looking kid though. Still, i dont see alot of NA operators on that order list....


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 12061 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 14):
Well, in the sense that the Chinese practically copied major sections of MD airframes to make this thing, I would hope that Boeing is getting something out of the deal....

So tell me how does anyone make an aircraft which doesn't generally look like any other?
How many different ways can a basic tube with wings and engines be made to look?
Has Boeing got some sort of exclusive design patent on a tube with wings?
So, in the sense, you're talking nonsense......

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 16):
Still, i dont see alot of NA operators on that order list....

Why does there have to be?


User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 11968 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 17):

So tell me how does anyone make an aircraft which doesn't generally look like any other?
How many different ways can a basic tube with wings and engines be made to look?
Has Boeing got some sort of exclusive design patent on a tube with wings?
So, in the sense, you're talking nonsense......

No, but the jigs used is the same that was used to build MD80's in China.



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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 11950 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 17):
So tell me how does anyone make an aircraft which doesn't generally look like any other?
How many different ways can a basic tube with wings and engines be made to look?
Has Boeing got some sort of exclusive design patent on a tube with wings?
So, in the sense, you're talking nonsense......

I'm not the one here talking nonsense. This airplane has a substantial amount of its structure directly copied from the MD-80. Its not something that looks similar, it IS the same plane.


User currently offlinePhileet92 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 11580 times:



Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 6):
new tailcone too perhaps????

Yea! anyone notice the 777 style tail cone?


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 11569 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 19):
I'm not the one here talking nonsense. This airplane has a substantial amount of its structure directly copied from the MD-80. Its not something that looks similar, it IS the same plane.

Doesn't it have a new (ie not based on MD-80) wing?


User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 680 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 11518 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 11):
So how much in royalties will Boeing be getting paid per frame produced?

From Wikipedia:
"Although ACAC refers to the ARJ21 as "designed by Chinese with completely independent intellectual property rights", it is being built using tooling which was originally provided by the McDonnell Douglas company for licence-production of the MD-90 in China."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARJ21

I did not know GECAS had ordered five.



Am I cured? Slept 5 hours on last long-haul flight...
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (5 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 11424 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 11):
So how much in royalties will Boeing be getting paid per frame produced?

Absolutely nothing, but at least it doesn't seem as though the program is suffering huge delays.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13422 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (5 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 11401 times:
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Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 6):
MD80 wings + winglet,

The Russian designed wings are far more aerodynamic than the Maddogs. Its really a different aerodynamic concept.

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 11):
So how much in royalties will Boeing be getting paid per frame produced?

You mean for rent on the MD-80 jigs?  Wink

Seriously, this plane will have a certain 'captive market.' But versus the MRJ, E-jets, and C-series it is unlikely to garner man (if any) export orders.

Quoting RicciPettit (Reply 9):
Is it me or does the underside and leading edge of the wings look dirty already?

Oh my god! AirFrance ordered this jet?!?  duck 

Lightsaber



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25 Dtw9 : They didn't. They ordered 25
26 PlaneInsomniac : Wikipedia says 5 + 20 options. (But they have been wrong before.)
27 Dtw9 : Nope. You're right ,I'm wrong
28 USAFO1 : Definitely looks like a cross between a 717 and a CRJ...
29 DocLightning : It looks more like a CRJ than anything else. Look, there are only so many shapes an airliner can reasonably take. Why don't you have this criticism f
30 Post contains links PlaneInsomniac : To again quote from the - potentially inaccurate - Wikipedia article: "Consequently, it bears a strong resemblance to the DC-9 series of aircraft, wi
31 Farzan : With less than one year between roll-out and first flight, there is no way Boeing had anything to do with this project
32 WPIAeroGuy : Quoting Wikipedia: "Consequently, it bears a strong resemblance to the DC-9 series of aircraft, with an identical cabin cross section, nose profile a
33 Kokolojc : The size is perfect for some of those airlines in Indonesia, they should replace those old 737-200 birds...I know that Merpati Nusantara (MNA) has 2 o
34 Glideslope : Agreed. Good eyes.
35 Alangirvan : If the ARJ21 gets FAA/JAA certificates, will it win competitions where it is pitched against CRJ-900/1000 and E-190? It looks like it might be a bit h
36 Warszawa : Fuselage appears nearly identical to Fokker 70, DC-9/717 nose, hard to see the tail but totally looks like an MD-90/717 tail, wings look totally like
37 Acjflyer : I think the jet is absolutely beautiful. I think it's great that someone is manufacturing another T-tail with great performance and the ability to mee
38 WPIAeroGuy : From what I can tell from a couple different 3-views, the only thing the ARJ21 has in common with the CRJ wing is the overall shape, however the ARJ h
39 Boeingluvr : I was gonna say it's a nice 717/DC9 cross with an RJ haha... Not a bad looking A/C but the chinese have a while to go before the compete with Boeing/A
40 DocLightning : The DC-9 has a double-lobe fuselage. This one doesn't appear to.
41 JetJeanes : The were manufactureing Mad dogs for Md for years and buit this one on the same priciple and design as the american dc-9 with some minor changes which
42 Alessandro : Well, you can hope, like Airbus hoping to get any money from Boeing for the DC-9 having the same engine configuration as the Caravelle. 20 maddogs I
43 R2rho : A lot of bashing and prejudice here - and I was expecting no less than that in a thread about a Chinese aircraft. You've gotta be fair though, and see
44 Alessandro : I doubt that China will compete head on with A&B, they rely too much being a subcontractor and assembler (A320) to do that. The ARJ-21 could sell, whe
45 Lightsaber : The legality is in question. Those jigs were used to license produce MD-80's. I'm not aware of any fees being paid to Boeing for the intellectual pro
46 TDubJFK : Its a cutie. Actually looks like a little BAC 1-11 mixed in there too.
47 Luv2cattlecall : So....fully comparable but much cheaper? BMW, Buick, etc build vehicles in China...and Chevy with their so called "American Revolution" is building s
48 Larshjort : Why would any airline replace a 120< seat aircraft with a 70 seater? /Lars
49 ERJ135 : Possibly to increase frequency at the expence of capacity. For example an airline offers 7 round trips daily with their newly aquired E175s replacing
50 DocLightning : It's a rear-mounted narrow-body twin RJ! Just like any other! Just because it's Chinese doesn't make it a total copy! And there's a lot more to a pla
51 777way : Is It a wide body of RJ's?
52 Post contains images Flyf15 : As its been said before, nobody is saying its copied because its Chinese. Everyone is saying it is copied because... it is. Substantial sections of t
53 Post contains images 777way : " target=_blank>http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2008...3.htm Side shot.
54 Lightsaber : ugh... the MD-90's screwdriver tail cone! Also, that wing leading edge lift device is... interesting. Is the main actuator in the aircraft body? If t
55 TommyBP251b : Thought the same! So which one is the real one? Regards Tom
56 DocLightning : So far I see a similar-looking nose, a similar-looking tail, a fuselage that has no hint of the double-bubble layout of the DC-9, a wing that looks c
57 FX1816 : You called this one right, this plane is a copy and I also do not know how anyone can't see that there are more than just a few parts that are copied
58 Dtw9 : Looking at the pictures posted ,does anybody notice anything strange about this aircraft. There are no over wing emergency exits. The exits on either
59 Columba : The nose section is almost identical to the Dc 9, MD 80, MD 90, 717...... The aircraft would have looked better if the engines would not be so stubby
60 Eightball : While it's nice to see that the Chinese are finally going to enter the commercial aircraft market, I just think that it would have been a lot more pos
61 Post contains links and images DavidkunzVIE : An exclusive preview of the all new Chinese widebody jet!!! View Large View MediumPhoto © Wim Callaert
62 RussianJet : Yawn, yawn, yawn, yaw, YAWN! Change the record please! Ok, so it looks like a Mad Dog, we get it. Can we move on? Good luck to them I say. Underestim
63 Eightball : For what it's worth, I tried to give a message that is constructive and positive about the Chinese, so you shouldn't think that I'm trying to bash th
64 RussianJet : I'm not saying you are trying to bash them, I'm simply saying that it would be nice if we could stop re-hashing the obvious.
65 Astral : The Chinese paid for all the jigs and tools from MD for the MD-80 assembly/coproduction back in the late 80s, as I was involved in the deal, I can con
66 RussianJet : I hope so. However, I fear that unless it has 12 engines, a tri-wing design and a triangular fuselage, then people will always accuse it of being a c
67 Art : Interesting to hear that "from the horse's mouth". So the diatribes against using tools and jigs used in the MD-80 exercise are unwarranted. Sounds l
68 Flyf15 : Actually wouldn't that be a copy of one of those pre-war German designs?
69 RussianJet : Sorry, I meant 13 engines.
70 CX flyboy : ..."eventually" is the right word....but they have to start somewhere right?
71 Eightball : I'm just trying to state *why* they shouldn't copy someone else's design. Precisely. At some point in time, they have to come up with their own origi
72 Alangirvan : Is a Chinese assembled airliner really different from a Chinese assembled laptop? If they can build a $98 laptop (big "if" on that one, but to be disc
73 Phoenix9 : Did anyone check if any of the old MDs or 717s are missing? or missing parts? Next thing you know is that this RJ is assembled from old discarded/reti
74 Post contains links LH526 : As my previous post got deleted for possible flamebait, let me try to repeat what tried to say: Looking at this video: ... I just hope that chinese a
75 DavidkunzVIE : ^^ Just like the plane, your laptop was designed elsewhere.
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