Ryu2 From Taiwan Region, joined Aug 2002, 428 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9736 times:
SHANGHAI, Nov 28 (Reuters) - China's first domestically developed regional aircraft, the ARJ21-700, completed its maiden test flight on Friday, the Xinhua news agency said.
The 90-seat jet, unveiled last December, landed safely at an airport in Shanghai after an hour's flight, Xinhua said on its website.
Art From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 2273 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9540 times:
Congratulations to ACAC on getting the bird into the air!
Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 1): I hope this little jet is successful, quite the beautiful aircraft, looks very similar to a 717, and I hope it does better saleswise.
If there are 208 on order as it says on the Reuters report, I think it has probably already outsold the 717.
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 4537 posts, RR: 60 Reply 6, posted (11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9437 times:
It's a DC9-10/20 with MD80 wings + winglet, oversized CRJ engines and CRJ flight deck systems... and errr... take out the eyebrow windows... new tailcone too perhaps????
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Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8982 times:
Quoting Alessandro (Reply 12): Flyf15, none, they´re not involved in this project
Well, in the sense that the Chinese practically copied major sections of MD airframes to make this thing, I would hope that Boeing is getting something out of the deal....
AirNZ From United Kingdom (Northern Ireland), joined Feb 2005, 3027 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8801 times:
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 14): Well, in the sense that the Chinese practically copied major sections of MD airframes to make this thing, I would hope that Boeing is getting something out of the deal....
So tell me how does anyone make an aircraft which doesn't generally look like any other?
How many different ways can a basic tube with wings and engines be made to look?
Has Boeing got some sort of exclusive design patent on a tube with wings?
So, in the sense, you're talking nonsense......
Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 16): Still, i dont see alot of NA operators on that order list....
Larshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 501 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8708 times:
Quoting AirNZ (Reply 17):
So tell me how does anyone make an aircraft which doesn't generally look like any other?
How many different ways can a basic tube with wings and engines be made to look?
Has Boeing got some sort of exclusive design patent on a tube with wings?
So, in the sense, you're talking nonsense......
No, but the jigs used is the same that was used to build MD80's in China.
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8690 times:
Quoting AirNZ (Reply 17): So tell me how does anyone make an aircraft which doesn't generally look like any other?
How many different ways can a basic tube with wings and engines be made to look?
Has Boeing got some sort of exclusive design patent on a tube with wings?
So, in the sense, you're talking nonsense......
I'm not the one here talking nonsense. This airplane has a substantial amount of its structure directly copied from the MD-80. Its not something that looks similar, it IS the same plane.
Art From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 2273 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 8309 times:
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 19): I'm not the one here talking nonsense. This airplane has a substantial amount of its structure directly copied from the MD-80. Its not something that looks similar, it IS the same plane.
Doesn't it have a new (ie not based on MD-80) wing?
PlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 500 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8258 times:
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 11): So how much in royalties will Boeing be getting paid per frame produced?
From Wikipedia:
"Although ACAC refers to the ARJ21 as "designed by Chinese with completely independent intellectual property rights", it is being built using tooling which was originally provided by the McDonnell Douglas company for licence-production of the MD-90 in China."
The Russian designed wings are far more aerodynamic than the Maddogs. Its really a different aerodynamic concept.
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 11): So how much in royalties will Boeing be getting paid per frame produced?
You mean for rent on the MD-80 jigs?
Seriously, this plane will have a certain 'captive market.' But versus the MRJ, E-jets, and C-series it is unlikely to garner man (if any) export orders.
Quoting RicciPettit (Reply 9): Is it me or does the underside and leading edge of the wings look dirty already?
Oh my god! AirFrance ordered this jet?!?
Lightsaber
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28 USAFO1: Definitely looks like a cross between a 717 and a CRJ...
29 DocLightning: It looks more like a CRJ than anything else. Look, there are only so many shapes an airliner can reasonably take. Why don't you have this criticism f
30 PlaneInsomniac: To again quote from the - potentially inaccurate - Wikipedia article: "Consequently, it bears a strong resemblance to the DC-9 series of aircraft, wi
31 Farzan: With less than one year between roll-out and first flight, there is no way Boeing had anything to do with this project
32 WPIAeroGuy: Quoting Wikipedia: "Consequently, it bears a strong resemblance to the DC-9 series of aircraft, with an identical cabin cross section, nose profile a
33 Kokolojc: The size is perfect for some of those airlines in Indonesia, they should replace those old 737-200 birds...I know that Merpati Nusantara (MNA) has 2 o
35 Alangirvan: If the ARJ21 gets FAA/JAA certificates, will it win competitions where it is pitched against CRJ-900/1000 and E-190? It looks like it might be a bit h
36 Warszawa: Fuselage appears nearly identical to Fokker 70, DC-9/717 nose, hard to see the tail but totally looks like an MD-90/717 tail, wings look totally like
37 Acjflyer: I think the jet is absolutely beautiful. I think it's great that someone is manufacturing another T-tail with great performance and the ability to mee
38 WPIAeroGuy: From what I can tell from a couple different 3-views, the only thing the ARJ21 has in common with the CRJ wing is the overall shape, however the ARJ h
39 Boeingluvr: I was gonna say it's a nice 717/DC9 cross with an RJ haha... Not a bad looking A/C but the chinese have a while to go before the compete with Boeing/A
40 DocLightning: The DC-9 has a double-lobe fuselage. This one doesn't appear to.
41 JetJeanes: The were manufactureing Mad dogs for Md for years and buit this one on the same priciple and design as the american dc-9 with some minor changes which
42 Alessandro: Well, you can hope, like Airbus hoping to get any money from Boeing for the DC-9 having the same engine configuration as the Caravelle. 20 maddogs I
43 R2rho: A lot of bashing and prejudice here - and I was expecting no less than that in a thread about a Chinese aircraft. You've gotta be fair though, and see
44 Alessandro: I doubt that China will compete head on with A&B, they rely too much being a subcontractor and assembler (A320) to do that. The ARJ-21 could sell, whe
45 Lightsaber: The legality is in question. Those jigs were used to license produce MD-80's. I'm not aware of any fees being paid to Boeing for the intellectual pro
46 TDubJFK: Its a cutie. Actually looks like a little BAC 1-11 mixed in there too.
47 Luv2cattlecall: So....fully comparable but much cheaper? BMW, Buick, etc build vehicles in China...and Chevy with their so called "American Revolution" is building s
48 Larshjort: Why would any airline replace a 120< seat aircraft with a 70 seater? /Lars
49 ERJ135: Possibly to increase frequency at the expence of capacity. For example an airline offers 7 round trips daily with their newly aquired E175s replacing
50 DocLightning: It's a rear-mounted narrow-body twin RJ! Just like any other! Just because it's Chinese doesn't make it a total copy! And there's a lot more to a pla
52 Flyf15: As its been said before, nobody is saying its copied because its Chinese. Everyone is saying it is copied because... it is. Substantial sections of t
53 777way: " target=_blank>http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2008...3.htm Side shot.
54 Lightsaber: ugh... the MD-90's screwdriver tail cone! Also, that wing leading edge lift device is... interesting. Is the main actuator in the aircraft body? If t
55 TommyBP251b: Thought the same! So which one is the real one? Regards Tom
56 DocLightning: So far I see a similar-looking nose, a similar-looking tail, a fuselage that has no hint of the double-bubble layout of the DC-9, a wing that looks c
57 FX1816: You called this one right, this plane is a copy and I also do not know how anyone can't see that there are more than just a few parts that are copied
58 Dtw9: Looking at the pictures posted ,does anybody notice anything strange about this aircraft. There are no over wing emergency exits. The exits on either
59 Columba: The nose section is almost identical to the Dc 9, MD 80, MD 90, 717...... The aircraft would have looked better if the engines would not be so stubby
60 Eightball: While it's nice to see that the Chinese are finally going to enter the commercial aircraft market, I just think that it would have been a lot more pos
62 RussianJet: Yawn, yawn, yawn, yaw, YAWN! Change the record please! Ok, so it looks like a Mad Dog, we get it. Can we move on? Good luck to them I say. Underestim
63 Eightball: For what it's worth, I tried to give a message that is constructive and positive about the Chinese, so you shouldn't think that I'm trying to bash th
64 RussianJet: I'm not saying you are trying to bash them, I'm simply saying that it would be nice if we could stop re-hashing the obvious.
65 Astral: The Chinese paid for all the jigs and tools from MD for the MD-80 assembly/coproduction back in the late 80s, as I was involved in the deal, I can con
66 RussianJet: I hope so. However, I fear that unless it has 12 engines, a tri-wing design and a triangular fuselage, then people will always accuse it of being a c
67 Art: Interesting to hear that "from the horse's mouth". So the diatribes against using tools and jigs used in the MD-80 exercise are unwarranted. Sounds l
68 Flyf15: Actually wouldn't that be a copy of one of those pre-war German designs?
70 CX flyboy: ..."eventually" is the right word....but they have to start somewhere right?
71 Eightball: I'm just trying to state *why* they shouldn't copy someone else's design. Precisely. At some point in time, they have to come up with their own origi
72 Alangirvan: Is a Chinese assembled airliner really different from a Chinese assembled laptop? If they can build a $98 laptop (big "if" on that one, but to be disc
73 Phoenix9: Did anyone check if any of the old MDs or 717s are missing? or missing parts? Next thing you know is that this RJ is assembled from old discarded/reti
74 LH526: As my previous post got deleted for possible flamebait, let me try to repeat what tried to say: Looking at this video: ... I just hope that chinese a
75 DavidkunzVIE: ^^ Just like the plane, your laptop was designed elsewhere.
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