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Delta Protests Continental Plan  
User currently offlineBriGuyinHou From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 122 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 13447 times:

Delta Air Lines yesterday formally objected to a request by Continental Airlines for antitrust approval that would allow Continental to deepen ties with major airline partners in the United States and overseas.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2008/11/26/AR2008112604257.html

From the article:
"From what we have seen, there's nothing new here," Continental spokeswoman Mary Clark said in a prepared statement. "It looks like another attempt by the world's largest airline to prevent others from competing with it. We are confident the government will see through Delta's attempt to suppress competition."



Once again, Continental is leading the way. Delta apparently feels threatened over Continental's pending switch to the Star alliance. Let the fireworks begin!


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 13426 times:



Quoting BriGuyinHou (Thread starter):
Once again, Continental is leading the way. Delta apparently feels threatened over Continental's pending switch to the Star alliance. Let the fireworks begin!

Is more of Delta is giving CO the finger on the way out of Sky............its much more fun for DL to be a pain in the ass than just let them go  Wink



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 13357 times:

That's pathetic,

Quote:
CO and UAL will have more routes to Brazil and China than us,

Waah

Nothing prevented DL from seeking a merger or partnership with UAL, in fact there was speculation that they were studying doing just that. Instead they merge with NWA who has an inferior network and then they turn around and complain about it?..



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 13322 times:

DL is complaing about not having enough routes to China, meanwhile what they got they are cutting back?..


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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 13323 times:

It just sounds like DL flexing their new-found muscle and managing to sound like a spoilt child in the process. Truly pathetic.

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 13252 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
Nothing prevented DL from seeking a merger or partnership with UAL, in fact there was speculation that they were studying doing just that. Instead they merge with NWA who has an inferior network and then they turn around and complain about it?..

I've been saying this all along...........they wanted NWA so bad..........now i think they know they have f**ked up and should bought UA and let CO have NW.

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 5):
It just sounds like DL flexing their new-found muscle and managing to sound like a spoilt child in the process. Truly pathetic.

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Plus STT757 made a very good point.  Wink



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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 13212 times:
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Thanks for the link to the article. Delta's full response is available for download here:

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspubli...=DocumentDetail&o=09000064807c1fc6

[Edited 2008-11-28 13:46:17]


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User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 13166 times:

Most of the posters here are the childish ones. Competition isn't about being "fair". Delta has every right to fight this deal, just as CO and UA had every right to fight the merger. In fact, Delta SHOULD be doing everything it can to ensure that CO and UA remain disadvantaged as compared to the new Delta. If CO and UA want the benefits of a merger, perhaps they should do the hard work and MERGE. But they aren't doing that, so they are subject to anti-trust regulations. If they don't want to be subjected to those laws, they should simply merge.

The reality is that Delta likely realizes it won't kill this deal, but they may succeed in putting restrictions or limits on it. It is the fiduciary duty of Delta management to look after it's best interests...not play nice.


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 13022 times:

Some great piece of journalism in that article:

"The Delta-Continental rivalry isn't limited to the United States. The airlines are members of dueling global alliances. Continental, Lufthansa and United are part of the Star Alliance, which includes more than 25 airlines from around the world. Delta is a member of SkyTeam, which includes Air France, KLM and Korean Air, among others. "

CO and DL are currently part of the same alliance. Perhaps these journos should get their facts straight as to the past/current and future of these alliances. It's not like it is really that complicated anyways...


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 12958 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 9):
"The Delta-Continental rivalry isn't limited to the United States. The airlines are members of dueling global alliances. Continental, Lufthansa and United are part of the Star Alliance, which includes more than 25 airlines from around the world. Delta is a member of SkyTeam, which includes Air France, KLM and Korean Air, among others. "

Now THAT'S pathetic!  rotfl 



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 12618 times:

Welcome to the world of democracy in a regulated industry. Companies of all stripes have done it and will do it all the time. No one ever rolled out the red carpet for DL, including CO.

DL, just like you and me, has a right to provide input into the regulatory proceedings for a competitor.

Some of DL's arguments may require investigation and others may be tossed immediately but the whole process takes time and that is the government's responsibility to investigate DL's claims - along with those of others who file.

I would also differ with the assertion that CO is leading the way. DL and NW have had a multilateral joint venture for months - well before the merger was approved. When it comes to industry relations and cooperation, CO is actually considerably behind where most other carriers are. CO by its own choice had some of the loosest relations with Skyteam yet DL and NW have generated much stronger RASM growth over the Atlantic where the JV has been in place.

It is a given that the industry is moving toward tighter relations. However, the ultimate level of cooperation is a merger and DL has led the industry in global consolidation. CO and UA will still have separate cost structures wihich will be limited by their respective labor contracts.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 12406 times:

While alot of people immediately jump on the fact that DL has objected to something involving a competitor - specifically CO which is leaving Skyteam - DL raises a number of significant questions for those who bother to read the document - which has been linked to above. All of these documents can be searched but someone has made it very easy to see what is actually being written.

DL is not objecting to the fact that CO and UA have more China routes but that the US DOT has never allowed ATI to be granted to a carrier's routes that involve a country where there is not Open Skies. Open Skies serves as a check and balance against anti-competitive activities but it doesn't exist in a number of markets such as China.

DL also raises the question about the lack of spillover controls on LH given that it is seeking ATI w/ CO who has a NYC hub while also having an equity stake in B6. The DOT has always taken a very careful view of any partnerships that have the potential to reduce competition. There were strict anti-discussion clauses between DL and NW on the one hand and AF/KL on the other when DL/NW were separate companies both when the two carriers had ATI and after the JV was established but before the merger was approved. DL is simply saying that same standard should be applied and that is certainly reasonable given that the DOT required it of DL/NW.

DL also says that CO/UA are asking for much broader ATI than they say they intend to acutally implement. Asking for broad authority and then arguing you won't use it never succeeds in antitrust applications. If you have the authority, it is always assumed you will or could use it. If you don't intend to use it, don't ask for it.

there are other points that are worth your while to understand.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8280 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 12325 times:
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Continental can't cry wolf when it & United want to have alliance immunity for USA to Brazil but complain about BA & AA. BA / AA will happen even if Richard Branson renounces his Knighthood and UK citizenship.

User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 12211 times:

UA and CO will likely be granted ATI for the European routes. DOT routinely denies ATI for airlines seeking alliances to countries with whom the US does not have an Open Skies agreement. However, from what I remember, all previous requests involved a domestic US airline and a foreign airline. It will be interesting to see how DOT rules on this issue.

Also, for those interested, DOJ examines all ATI requests as well. DOJ considers ATI grants as de facto mergers, and DOJ's recommendations to DOT reflect that. DOT does not always follow DOJ's recommendations, however.

I have lots more to say about this but will restrain myself for now!

Texan



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 11926 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
DL is not objecting to the fact that CO and UA have more China routes but that the US DOT has never allowed ATI to be granted to a carrier's routes that involve a country where there is not Open Skies. Open Skies serves as a check and balance against anti-competitive activities but it doesn't exist in a number of markets such as China.

DL also raises the question about the lack of spillover controls on LH given that it is seeking ATI w/ CO who has a NYC hub while also having an equity stake in B6. The DOT has always taken a very careful view of any partnerships that have the potential to reduce competition. There were strict anti-discussion clauses between DL and NW on the one hand and AF/KL on the other when DL/NW were separate companies both when the two carriers had ATI and after the JV was established but before the merger was approved. DL is simply saying that same standard should be applied and that is certainly reasonable given that the DOT required it of DL/NW.

Good points WT good points...........have to agree with everything said........maybe CO/UA should have to A) give up some China rights or B) not get ATI to China.



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5366 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 11893 times:

Looking at this single DL filing out of context can be misleading. DL has raised some of these issues (JetBlue and some of the competition instances) earlier in the case, calling for additional evidence and DOT has already said no, the record is sufficient. DL is reiterating them (and will continue to do so) because that is what lawyers do in an adversarial procedure; they make their best argument, whether or not it's any good.

I'm not offering any comment on the validity of the DL argument, just saying that DL is putting their best argument forward; and if all DL can do is delay the process, that is a small victory in itself. OTOH, DOT may well decide that Star is overreaching on the scope of the ATI and limit it; that would also be a victory, holding Star to an equal footing with the Skyteam ATI.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7497 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 11791 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 14):
maybe CO/UA should have to A) give up some China rights or B) not get ATI to China.

They shouldnt have to give up a thing. Besides its not like DL has room to talk about China. DL asked the DOT to continue to operate ATL-PVG 4x weekly instead of Daily. DL has absolutely no validity when it comes to China. None whatsoever. They wanted to extend it longer than the DOT would let them.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 11727 times:

Wow! What a dominance! UA and CO together hold 35 frequencies to Brazil, but DL alone hold 34!

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 11663 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
DL is complaing about not having enough routes to China

I invite you to substantiate your claim that Delta is complaining about anything. Something tells me you will come up empty-handed.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
Instead they merge with NWA who has an inferior network and then they turn around and complain about it?

Inferior network? I wonder what the Northwest folks here might have to say about that. That inferior network just produced the largest air carrier in history. Soon, instead of five, we'll add yet another continent to that inferior network.


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 11596 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 16):
They shouldnt have to give up a thing. Besides its not like DL has room to talk about China. DL asked the DOT to continue to operate ATL-PVG 4x weekly instead of Daily. DL has absolutely no validity when it comes to China. None whatsoever. They wanted to extend it longer than the DOT would let them.

You're mixing in short-term decisions and long term ones. ATL-PVG reductions would have been short-term as a stop gap to the route having lower demand right now (reflective of much of the North America - China traffic right now). There's no doubt it will pick up in a few years. Right now both the US economy and China's development/demand to travel to the US have not caught up with the supply.

DL's objection to UA and CO in China and Brazil is a valid one if you look past a period of about 12-18 months from now. We know pretty much for a given that CO's Anti-trust immunity won't start to be put into effect before Q4 2009, which fits into the time frame. I'm sure Delta realize that in the long run, new frequencies to China and the key cities in Brazil will be hard to come by and right now UA/CO have a big advantage there.

Delta isn't raising any objections on the transatlantic market where they and AFKL are the clear market leaders. I personally think that is a reflection of how Delta is not worried by the effect of UA/CO/LH pairing up on the transatlantic market...


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 11531 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 17):
Wow! What a dominance! UA and CO together hold 35 frequencies to Brazil, but DL alone hold 34!

UA and CO have all their frequencies on the two major cities, GRU and GIG. DL have their frequencies spread out more. The comparison based on frequencies to Brazil as a whole isn't a fair one.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7497 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 11531 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 19):
You're mixing in short-term decisions and long term ones. ATL-PVG reductions would have been short-term as a stop gap to the route having lower demand right now (reflective of much of the North America - China traffic right now). There's no doubt it will pick up in a few years. Right now both the US economy and China's development/demand to travel to the US have not caught up with the supply.

No Im not. DL isnt the only one suffereing because of conditions right now. Of the operateing services, they are the ones asking for the longest extension to not operate some of their frequencies. CO and UA have their flights to China all being daily from the summer onward. DL doesnt.

Ill stand to what I said. DL has no vialidity argueing about China.



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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 11399 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 21):
No Im not. DL isnt the only one suffereing because of conditions right now. Of the operateing services, they are the ones asking for the longest extension to not operate some of their frequencies. CO and UA have their flights to China all being daily from the summer onward. DL doesnt.

Your also kindly forgetting the fact that CO and UA (especially) have had their flights running longer than DL has been on ATL-PVG. An existing route is a lot easier to keep up running than a new route. Especially if the Chinese are already aware of your product.

Your also forgetting that next year NW (DL) are adding two new routes to China in 2009. DL as a whole is interested in China but realizes the problems that starting a new route in 2008 has caused.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7497 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 11228 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 22):
Your also kindly forgetting the fact that CO and UA (especially) have had their flights running longer than DL has been on ATL-PVG. An existing route is a lot easier to keep up running than a new route. Especially if the Chinese are already aware of your product.

Not EWR-PVG which hasnt started yet. Its daily from the summer.

DL is now the worlds largest airline and has the largest JV venture. They deserve nothing. No favors at all. Absolutely nothing.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4742 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 11218 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 23):
DL is now the worlds largest airline and has the largest JV venture. They deserve nothing. No favors at all. Absolutely nothing.

Put the nails away.

DL deserves nothing, similar to how Continental deserves nothing.



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25 C010T3 : Ooops, DL have actually 33, but even so, it's pretty significant to me. The new DL has the ability to upgauge their flights in order to increase the
26 KevinDCA : AA would love that, wouldn't they! Four of their major competitors bogged down trying to absorb each other and their respective work forces. I wish D
27 Post contains images Aviationbuff08 :    UA mismanagement, unhappy labor unions and poor financial stability had something to do DL not wanting to Merger or partner with UA? That is 3 g
28 DeltaL1011man : I belive they have a point........didn't say if they give anything up Delta should get it but they do have room to talk. yea the brazil thing is a bi
29 Aviationbuff08 : That would depend on how willing AA / BA are to giving up those LHR slots. Not a chance in the World that would be allowed without loosing a signific
30 TristanHNL : Completely agree. Completely agree. This is where I respectfully disagree. The reason CO/UA are doing an extensive codeshare and pursuing ATI is to b
31 AA767400 : Now with CO/NW/DL all flying into LHR, the number of slots BA/AA would have to give up are much less than before. The JV between AA/BA/IB will happen
32 LAXdude1023 : Yes, no one deservess anything special, yet DL is asking for special treatment. They already have JV with their partners and they are asking it be de
33 MAH4546 : AA/BA will likely have to give up zero slots, and the anti-trust will be approved. AA just bought three pairs of slots at Heathrow. Everybody is welc
34 DeltaL1011man : No not really. Delta is saying that ATI to places such as China shouldn't be given. Just like everyone did when BA/AA asked before. China is hard to
35 CV880 : I'm sure that LAX is waiting with open arms to the carrier that wishes to do so..... As far as DL fighting the ATI.....it's just their nature to figh
36 Johnclipper : Sounds like someone is taking a page out of the "piss-poor, uneducated, mismanaged" United Airlines which did this about 10 years ago!
37 Davescj : Now that will be one show worth selling tickets to....Can I reserve front row now? It isn't finished yet either. But that is another rant. As to DL's
38 Mah584jr : Isn't Continental asking for "special treatment" just by asking for ATI? I think the *A will be the key here. If CO, UA and US can figure out a way t
39 Davescj : For me, that answer would be yes and no. In one sense, any ATI is "special treatment." I would say, however, it is being rather normative, so it is i
40 DeltaL1011man : Well............it comes down do they or don't they want cargo flights? If yes something has to go. MNL,GUM,SPN,SGN,PUS wont work from the US (SGN mi
41 MaverickM11 : The only reason ATLPVG isn't working is the same reason ATLMAO won't work. The market isn't big enough. Perhaps in 5-10 years it will be but right no
42 N62NA : From the end of the article: The Delta-Continental fight comes as the United States and the European Union are negotiating the Open Skies treaty, whic
43 Kiwiandrew : that was Stage One of the Open Skies agreement , Stage Two is about liberalisation of ownership restrictions , in theory if Stage Two does not procee
44 Funkywabit : Have you ever noticed that anyone interested in merging with UA has sliently walked away after they have seen UA's books ...Hmmm I think Delta made t
45 EMB170 : How loud and long did CO scream to the DOT and DOJ about VX?
46 Manfredj : Brilliant move on CO's part and certainly shows why they have a more solid business structure compared to other US rivals. Let DL and NW merge, then C
47 LAXdude1023 : It is given the situation the market is in today. 10 years from now, it might not be. ATL has the least O&D to PVG of the Major Metro areas in the So
48 DeltaGuy767 : Can you tell me what markets DL will have monopolies over? If so you might want to forward that information to the DOJ and DOT who approved the merge
49 Jetlanta : Exactly how many markets will Delta have a monopoly on? I'm curious.
50 Huaiwei : I may not be in full agreement with STT757's comments, but this doesn't quite make sense either. STT757 was obviously referring to international mark
51 Manfredj : I knew my comment would come under scrutiny. Cute, but politics had a heavy hand in these dealings. The merger was approved at a period when fuel cos
52 Jacobin777 : They do have a right however.... ...I actually agree with you on something..what a scary thought.. .. Apropos, you can take my $50 (or is it $100?) c
53 Mir : Actually, Delta was leading the way on anti-trust. Of course now that they have it, they're seeking to deny it to all their competitors. Which they h
54 Viscount724 : Mergers are subject to at least as stringent, if not more so, antitrust review as other types of alliances.
55 RwSEA : I don't get why CO/UA don't just merge. That would be one hell of a force to be reckoned with. Until DL bought NW, they didn't have a single hub that
56 LAXdude1023 : Would be one hell of a mess to deal with internally. Yes they are. They have JV and thats fine, but other carriers should be allowed to have it as we
57 XJETFlyer : CO is doing what they feel will take them to the next level. No matter what DL thinks or says, they look like scared little girls. I think CO will get
58 Mir : They still might eventually. But, as has been mentioned, merging right now would be a clusterf*ck. I like the idea of ATI initially, so that should t
59 MasseyBrown : I agree. CO is giving UA time to clean up their books and upgrade their service standards. When that is done and if DL is considered a big threat, I'
60 DL Widget Head : CO leading the way. That's a laugh. They're "johnny come lately" to alliances, ATI's, and haven't even started their own Merger process yet. Too bad
61 Cws818 : They "haven't even started their own Merger process yet"?? So what? Your contention seems to fall into that "well, all the cool kids are doing it" ty
62 Gigneil : Arguably, you could have added Colgan Air and made the biggest airline in history. NS
63 DL Widget Head : Try to pay attention. My contention is in relation to the thread starter's bombastic claim that "Once again, Continental leads the way..." as if they
64 Davescj : UA will not announce a merger in 2008. It simply isn't going to happen. Remember, CO took a look at UA and decided to "stay friends" rather than get
65 Cws818 : The contention that CO is leading the way was made, I think, with tongue firmly in cheek. In any event, the contention is not mine. My point is that
66 Mah584jr : They were part of SkyTeam and had not publicly announced any intention of leaving at the time the merger was announced. Why would they object to a me
67 DL Widget Head : Not at all. Their ability to choose was vastly curtailed by NW's "golden share". Since DL and NW were tying the knot and didn't want anything to do w
68 Ikramerica : The DOT seemed awfully concerned about CDG-ATL/CVG and AMS-DTW/MSP and the lack of competition there… not.
69 Jacobin777 : I was trying to give the benefit of doubt(fat lady hasn't sung yet)...as we know what the outcome is going to be in the next 30-35 days....0!
70 DeltaL1011man : They can..........but you have almost zero feed...sure AS is at SEA but what if AA or CO turns around and buys AS? then they are f**ked. Plus they wi
71 Burnsie28 : How do you figure, Delta knew that the DOJ wouldn't allow the UA merger to go through, with IAD and DEN having similar overlapping routes and it woul
72 AirNZ : If I may ask, what are you basing your wisdom and experience on?
73 CO58 : Actually DL/NW have 7, you missed NRT-CAN and NRT-PVG.
74 CV880 : SEA-PEK is replacing NRT-CAN and NRT-PVG is listed above.
75 RwSEA : You can't combine UA/CO as they are distinct carriers. DL and NW are now one carrier. In the case of SFO-CAN, it was an uncontested frequency that no
76 LAXdude1023 : They arent. Frankly, DL is in the lead right now in terms of the airline that has the brightest future (at least in the short term). However In my op
77 LarSPL : Don't make such a big deal about it. If legislation gives you the opportunity to object,.. DO IT! if somebody is stupid enough to agree with you, then
78 LAXdude1023 : Very well said. God help us if they are actually stupid enough to buy the arguement though.
79 DeltaL1011man : No DL wasn't sure.......they gave it around a 75% chance and NW a 99% chance. I mean a carrier that as a much closer fleet, Much stronger hubs and wo
80 United1 : UA/CO have not applied for a JV across the Pacific yet however that is the plan at some point in the future. What has been applied for is to add CO a
81 DeltaL1011man : The way Anderson put it was they could have got the name and Atlanta but they pretty much knew the DOT would pass DL/NW but DL/UA might have had to g
82 Cws818 : I haven't heard this before, its quite interesting. Why do you feel that he is starting to second guess himself regarding the merger?
83 Cws818 : There are many roads in life and in the airline industry, and on each, someone is leading the way. DL is certainly leading the way on the path they c
84 DeltaL1011man : Because...........now CO will end up with a much better (and BTW LARGER) airline
85 CV880 : You are correct as far as being a larger airline if UA/CO merge, and with a nearly perfect route map (with the notable exception of Africa). The prob
86 DeltaL1011man : I do agree.....UA would take more work (something i don't think Anderson wants) But if you add a few more routes then DL/UA would be close to the sam
87 BriGuyinHou : I am delighted that you take my rhetorical commentary seriously. I am even more amused at the time you spent to carefully craft a response. Unfortuna
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