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Mesa's Go! To Become Aloha  
User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1441 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14889 times:

Well, talk about lipstick on a pig!!

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/081128/clf916.html?.v=1

-- Mesa will make a cash payment of $2 million;

-- Mesa will issue shares of Mesa common stock equal to 10% of its currently outstanding shares;

-- Mesa will provide certain Hawaiian inter-island travel benefits to the former employees of Aloha Airlines;

-- In the event the shareholder is able to purchase the "Aloha" name in the upcoming bankruptcy court auction, it will license the "Aloha" name to Mesa.

"We are extremely pleased to resolve all claims put forward in this litigation and look forward to re-branding service under the Aloha name in the near future," said Jonathan Ornstein, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Mesa. "This settlement resolves all claims by Aloha Airlines related to Mesa's entry into the Hawaiian inter-island market and permits us to focus solely on our core competency of providing the best service, convenient schedules and low fare pricing to our customers. We intend to carry on Aloha's proud tradition, maintain Mesa's status as Hawaii's low cost air carrier and look forward to future growth opportunities made possible by this settlement."

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User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14795 times:

That is truly disgusting

User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14758 times:



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 1):
That is truly disgusting

I Agree, Mesa screwed Aloha Raw..........



Just an MSPAVGEEK
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25549 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14755 times:

Excellent news for Mesa, and clever JO manage to pull another rabbit out of the hat.

Rebranding the Mesa operations under the well known Aloha name is genius as well and certainly well worth the $2.5mil in cash and stock that the settlement cost.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineM180up From El Salvador, joined May 2006, 403 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14720 times:



Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 2):
I Agree

I hope they cannot get the name in the auction! Too bad to see Aloha gone, but it will be worse to see it return like that!



Werner from SAL
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14687 times:



Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 2):
Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 1):
That is truly disgusting

I Agree, Mesa screwed Aloha Raw.....

The laws of the jungle, in t his case business. Aloha wasn't strong enough, and they died in the fight. I think it is quite valid what Mesa is doing.



There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14603 times:

Mesa can use the Aloha brand but they will NEVER be Aloha.

It is as simple as that. Mokulele with its staff of former Aloha workers is going to be the new "People's Airline."

Bastardizing the Aloha brand like this is going to do nothing to help Mesa right the sinking ship that go! is.

-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14529 times:



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 6):
Bastardizing the Aloha brand like this is going to do nothing to help Mesa right the sinking ship that go! is.

I concur, it only means that Aloha is going to go out of business twice!!


User currently offlineIahflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14499 times:



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 1):
That is truly disgusting

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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14472 times:



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 6):

Bastardizing the Aloha brand like this is going to do nothing to help Mesa right the sinking ship that go! is.

Mesa (and a few other regionals) is an embarrassment to begin with. I'm sure they'll do wrong by Aloha and offer their usual terrible service. Too bad....


User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14450 times:



Quoting Deltaffindfw (Thread starter):
"We are extremely pleased to resolve all claims put forward in this litigation and look forward to re-branding service under the Aloha name in the near future," said Jonathan Ornstein, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Mesa.

WOW -- you have to give the guy credit for pulling this one off -- pretty darned smart move on his part. Just when everyone thinks JO and Mesa are dead .... SHWINGGGGG!!


User currently offlineHiloboy1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14370 times:

Well that horrible man may finally get what he wanted; to buy out Aloha and fly it himself. I agree with you Aloha737G; but we need to watch what Moku does in the near future, as they're not making any of the Big boys (delta, unitied etc.) real happy in honolulu.

I don't think this will come about and if it does it won't last; he'll need to switch acft type first and as it stands now JO is running out of money and options real fast.


User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14337 times:

We do have to remember that aloha's demise was started long before Mesa came on the scene. To point to Mesa as the sole reason to the bankruptcy of Aloha is very short sighted. People in the know could see the demise of Aloha from their refusal to modernize their fleet of B7373-200's to their choice of long range aircraft in the B737-700's. Don't get me wrong the 737-700 are quite capable of doing the job but with Hawaiian using the B767 for its inter-continental flights and their international service, and their use of the B717 on its inter-island flights positioned them well for the future. Notice they haven't shut down due to Mesa's competition.


Rush for ever; Yankees all the way!!
User currently offlineGosimeon From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14311 times:

Business is business I guess. From what I've heard, it ain't just the Aloha brand that made people fly that airline. Maybe a nice touch would be to offer Aloha ex-FA's etc employment?

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5066 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14236 times:

I actually have to applaud this. First and most important, is the fact that so many Aloha employees lost their jobs in the failure. If Mesa can attract that talent and bring them onboard, it will be a good thing for the former AQ employees. Let's face it, it is an island, and aviation jobs are hard to come by out there. I applaud the jobs for Hawaii.

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 6):
Mesa can use the Aloha brand but they will NEVER be Aloha.

It is as simple as that. Mokulele with its staff of former Aloha workers is going to be the new "People's Airline."

Bastardizing the Aloha brand like this is going to do nothing to help Mesa right the sinking ship that go! is.

-Aloha!

I totally agree with your feelings Aloha. But, if anything, it would be former Aloha employees working again. Just to have the seasoned employees back at what they did best, makes me happy for them. I was deeply saddened to see so many wonderful employees lose their jobs. I would be comforted in seeing them back in the industry again. Who knows, maybe they can bring back the spirit. I am only supporting of this, because of the job factors for the residents of Hawaii. Also, the fact that former AQ employees will have some flight benefits from all of this.

I am with you though. I can't stand JO, and how he conducted the business with GO!

[Edited 2008-11-28 17:04:12]


I Am A Different Animal!!
User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14163 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 14):
I actually have to applaud this. First and most important, is the fact that so many Aloha employees lost their jobs in the failure. If Mesa can attract that talent and bring them onboard, it will be a good thing for the former AQ employees. Let's face it, it is an island, and aviation jobs are hard to come by out there. I applaud the jobs for Hawaii.

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 6):
Mesa can use the Aloha brand but they will NEVER be Aloha.

It is as simple as that. Mokulele with its staff of former Aloha workers is going to be the new "People's Airline."

Bastardizing the Aloha brand like this is going to do nothing to help Mesa right the sinking ship that go! is.

-Aloha!

I totally agree with your feelings Aloha. But, if anything, it would be former Aloha employees working again. Just to have the seasoned employees back at what they did best, makes me happy for them. I was deeply saddened to see so many wonderful employees lose their jobs. I would be comforted in seeing them back in the industry again. Who knows, maybe they can bring back the spirit. I am only supporting of this, because of the job factors for the residents of Hawaii. Also, the fact that former AQ employees will have some flight benefits from all of this.

I am with you though. I can't stand JO, and how he conducted the business with GO!

Just to clarify, they are only getting the right to use the Aloha name & logo. They are NOT bringing on former AQ employees (most--if not ALL--wouldn't work there anyway).

MOKULELE has already hired many former AQ employees including 2 of Aloha's BEST F/A's (JoAnn and Na'i...see my trip reports to read about them) working in customer service for Mokulele.

AQ's former employees are getting NOTHING out of this other than some flight benefits which I hope they use ALOT simply because it will cost Mesa money to fly them around.

-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7254 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14148 times:



Quoting Deltaffindfw (Thread starter):
-- Mesa will issue shares of Mesa common stock equal to 10% of its currently outstanding shares;

Keep in mind Mesa's stock is nearly worthless. It's trading at 20 cents. 10% is probably worth $200,000.


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14152 times:

I continue to support and will fly on....

HAWAIIAN AIRLINES

ISLAND AIR

MOKULELE AIRLINES

Don't fly go! or any airline it might morph into.

The REAL Aloha Airlines went out with class and style on March 31, 2008.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/read.main/123331/

-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14094 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 14):
I actually have to applaud this.

You would! haha  Wink  Big grin


on a more serious note;

This is sick, Im sorry, I will never fly on them. Hawaiian and Island Air all the way.

Oh and that stock thing was a joke! whats Mesa at like 0.20? yeah its going to be removed any day now.


User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14079 times:

I still don't understand why most of you make such a big deal out of Aloha going away. You should be lucky that you even had two airlines based in such a small region. Aloha's demise is a perfect example how your region couldn't support it.

Now if Hawaiian was to go away as well then I believe you would have a reason to complain. Otherwise just stop complaining already... They are a business that went bad well before Go! came about.

I think its time Aloha's people start accepting the fact of how bad their company was ran rather then blaming another company for its shut down!!!


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14011 times:



Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 19):

Business has nothing to do with it.

I dont live in Hawaii, I have flown on AQ twice, and I found them to be very classy and a first rate operation. I think many people on this site have great memories of Aloha. Since Hawaii is an isolated area, where air travel has such a huge role, people pay more attention to their airlines and become very proud of them.

I live in Alaska and I see Alaska Airlines and Aloha as very similar airlines in the sense of class, employee pride, company spirit and community.

AQ was great and will be missed.


User currently offlineBigtidi From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13878 times:

Aloha was a great airline however as finances go a deeply flawed and ultimately unprofitable and unsustainable operation. Look here on the mainland at the slow demise of Midwest, a great product but a real stretch in a competitive marketplace.

User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2701 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13829 times:

I would never let anyone in my family step foot on go airlines.

The planes at Mesa are ridden with multiple MELs and maintenance items are deferred for as long as possible until they must be fixed, at which point they are often deferred again after being signed off.

The treatment of the employees is horrendous and morale is as low as it can possibly be. This has a negative effect on customer service and flight safety.

I will never, never, ever give them a penny from my wallet.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2503 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13767 times:



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 1):
That is truly disgusting



Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 2):
I Agree, Mesa screwed Aloha Raw..........



Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 18):
This is sick, Im sorry, I will never fly on them. Hawaiian and Island Air all the way.

Seriously...get over it already. The whole "X screwed Y" thing is getting so old. Sure, AQ had plenty of great employees but in the end, they didn't address their aging fleet, and couldn't compete with HA or the legacies on mainland flights. FWIW, I wasn't very happy with their interisland ops and repeatedly opted to fly HA...does that make me the devil reincarnate?!

Now, looking ahead, will we see UA move their codeshare back to "AQ" from HA? If this is the case, I believe that my prediction (in other AQ threads) from about a year ago will have come to fruition (at least partially).


777fan



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User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13758 times:

A few other thoughts for the arm chair CEO crowd:

- Mesa hasn't gotten the rights to the Aloha brand/name yet. Aloha's parent company has to succeed in buying it from the bankruptcy court. Only after the parent company buys the name/image rights, well Mesa then be allowed to use them.

- Secondly it doesn't solve all of MAG's problems. The stock has 2 weeks to get to the $1.00 mark or it's future on NASDAQ is not pretty. The Delta injuction appeal will happen in late January and in this same time Mesa will still be liable for 90-100 million in bond payments.

- And well, thirdly...well I lost track but will continue post here if anything else relevant comes to mind.

Carry on.



GEAUX SAINTS!
25 Alaska737 : na na na na na na na na hey hey hey gooood bye
26 PITrules : Would the cost to Hawaiian bidding on the Aloha name - with the intention of preventing its use by a competitor - be worth the cost? The advantage to
27 Post contains images AllegiantAir : " target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...3331/ Amen to that!!! ....but don't forget...PACIFIC WINGS!         And I just have to say
28 Aloha73G : Response from 2 "disinterested" locals who just called me to see if I had heard... "How dare they!" and "Do they think we're stupid?" No. Most of us l
29 JayDub : Like they always say... After a nice game of global thermonuclear war...the only things still living will be cockroaches, Keith Richards, and Mesa Air
30 Ha763 : This will not bring any jobs to attract that talent. go! uses contract service companies to run most of the operation. All the ground handling is don
31 Aaron747 : Totally agree. Fair is fair and in business, rebranding under the famous name of a failed company is a straight-A ticket to success in most cases. Fi
32 Aloha717200 : Sully the good name of a legendary hawaiian airline by placing it on an inferior pillager the likes of Go! Blasphemy. J.O. Can Go to Hell.[Edited 2008
33 Captaink : And that was the end of Aloha as you knew it, sad but it is reality. The sentiments of a.netters, and people who had some sort of love for Aloha is o
34 BA744PHX : Such bitterness... if your attitude was like Aloha's management then there is no need to question why they don't exist. Seriously get over it... move
35 Aloha73G : I am not bitter and I have moved on...I proudly support and fly Hawaiian, Island Air and Mokulele. I am, however, protective of Aloha's legacy and pa
36 PDXFlyBoy : Proud to be Hawaiian! Support Hawaiian Airlines!
37 IFlyATA : For those of you "tough guys" here telling everyone to get over Aloha -- let me just add in my two cents: Passion is what makes this industry, people
38 Boeingdotcom : I really hope Mesa collapse... First it destroyed Aloha, next it wants to get Aloha name? Then what? Hawaiian too? I swear when going to Hawaii, I won
39 Asteriskceo : This is disgusting! The people of Hawaii should be outraged.
40 Captaink : True, that is what makes us a.netters special, we are passionate about our airlines. Heck I was passionate about US Airways when I worked with them.
41 T prop : Johnny probably told Yucaipa if they push forward with the lawsuit they'll file bankruptcy anyway and they won't see a cent. Take this 2 mil and 10% o
42 SkyguyB727 : It reminds me of when ValuJet bought AirTran. They knew the ValuJet name was tainted after their accidents and after having their operating certificat
43 HaYnFlyer : I have lived in Hawaii all my life. I had a monthly pass on Aloha and flew them almost daily once upon a time, even when they had the oldest planes in
44 Flighty : Don't they have laws against raping the dead??? ??? This was a premeditated rubout of a nice airline that everybody liked. If they take the Aloha name
45 Asteriskceo : I would be extremely insulted if I were a former AQ employee.
46 Boeingdotcom : If Mesa CEO is reading this, May Go! Aloha Airlines collapse and a lawyer would defend Aloha Airlines name from being used by the evil of Mesa. Hawaii
47 HA_DC9 : According to the news tonight, HA issued a short simple statement to the likes of "we will not discuss these legal proceedings". To me, they are evalu
48 JpetekYXMD80 : Go kick some ass, Mokulele! Lipstick on a pig, though it'll be interesting the kind of logos and livery they use... Really? That's interesting. I wasn
49 Brilondon : Hear! Hear! This is what myprevious thread was alluding to. Aloha was run by very stupidly by some smart people who made bad decisions. They should j
50 EA CO AS : You've gotta be effin' kidding me. Injury, meet insult.
51 Apodino : Is it just me, or does this remind people of how Gulford Transportation Systems took the Pan Am name and disgraced it with the whole B & M thing and a
52 AirWillie6475 : Don't FLY GO! This is disgusting!! You guys will have Hawaiian and Moku in their brand new E170s for the same price anyways. Do not support MESA and t
53 JetJeanes : they will extend the nasdaq listing anyway right now, but what about the deal with mouloke and republic airways, who is heading to hawaii... this is a
54 NorCal : I think the third point you were looking for was the Delta contract trial coming up in January. I hope Mesa will finally go under. Even JO can't wigg
55 SIN7 : Yes, agree it's business and sadly Aloha went out. However, for many who don't know Hawaii, it's the Ohana that we feel so much for AQ. That's why the
56 Etops1 : wow. this ornstien guy is truely a pos. what an insult to the former aloha employees and the people of hawaii.
57 Access-Air : Yeah, this worked so well for Braniff 2, 3 and did we see a Braniff 4? I cant remember...I lost track... How about the many re-incarnations of Pan Am
58 Apodino : Or Midway 2 as well? You could make the argument that the US regionals are PSA 2 and Piedmont 2 and have been successful, but before anyone does, I w
59 Dsuairptman : He's down to the the final seconds with the stock. 2 weeks and counting before the de-listing process begins. Might as well go all out, go deep, and
60 UA2162 : As a former AQ employee, this makes me sick. I just wish I had a few million laying around so I could outbid them and obtain the AQ name. This, quite
61 Lightsaber : Oh...I don't like it. But for most mainlanders flying over for a vacation... they'll never know the difference. Business is business and this is a sm
62 Acjflyer : Are you kidding??? If it weren't for balance sheets and quarterly results there would be no airlines for you to be passionate about. It all makes sen
63 Aloha73G : One of Aloha's best flight attendants quoted in the Honolulu Star Bulletin: "They can buy the name Aloha, but they can't buy the Aloha spirit." She is
64 Captaink : Ah the power that five little CRJs have.
65 Aloha717200 : I hope Mokulele kicks Go's butt in the coming months. There is not room for as many carriers in Hawaii as there now are...HA, WP, Mokulele, Go!, Pacif
66 Arffguy : Really? How many CRJ's does go! have in Hawaii? There's the motive. I have never been to place more dependent on aviation than Hawaii.
67 KITH : This is brilliant. Bravo Ornstein! Sounds like you are running a business and want to make money. Any Go! Employee's on here? An Airline, its colors,
68 Crjflyer35 : If they are normal pass privileges, will it REALLY cost anything to let someone sit in an open seat for a 20 minute flight?
69 Heathrow : Just like Pan Am with clipper connection on Boston Maine.......sad
70 Egcarter : We've gone through months of carping and "go-bashing" here on A.Net vis-a-vis the demise of Aloha, accusations of "dirty tactics" by Ornstein, et. al.
71 TDubJFK : Well, unfortunately, this "Aloha Spirit" you rhapsodize so frequently about just wasn't enough to keep the airline running. And enough, also, about M
72 Hiloboy1 : HAL and 737G, You know I always support you guys but for those that say no aloha employee would or will work for Go!, look again mesa just contracted
73 Brilondon : This is not the only reason of course but an example of the poor decision making of the management at AQ. There were obviously other reasons such as
74 Heathrow : Come on man, that's the best part
75 777fan : Careful with your assumptions. I flew go! several times (HNL-OGG, HNL-LIH) during the five years I lived in Honolulu and appreciated their $9 o/w pro
76 Aloha73G : Fuel, baggage handling, etc. Nothing is really free. I didn't say none would....I said: Working for Aloha Contract Services contracted to go! is a li
77 Aloha717200 : The thing that has me so roiled over Go is the fact that JO is on record saying that they entered the Hawaii market in order to give Aloha "the final
78 Tugger : So based on the current market valuation of Mesa the Aloha side would get about half a million dollars in in stock. And if this move helps then they g
79 Hiloboy1 : Aloha737G, I've got to disagree with your "No boos" as Mokulele did look at the Go! books and had full access to their reservation system (pricing); b
80 Aloha73G : exactly. My 2 favorite Aloha employees, F/A veterans Na'i and JoAnn now work at Mokulele.... THEY are Aloha. go! is not. -Aloha!
81 TDubJFK : That's business, sweetie ... no one starts a business with their first consideration as "being kind to their competitors". Get your head out of the c
82 777ER : If there are space on the flights, then sorry but it won't cost MESA money to fly them around, infact their staff fares will help MESA's profits UA i
83 Aloha73G : JoAnn and Na'i are my friends. I flew on flights with both of them multiple times and we got to know each other very well because they loved Aloha ju
84 Aloha717200 : Don't bother with him, Rudy. He's always got a snarky comment. Youd be saying just as much kind things about HA if they had been the ones that went u
85 T prop : So will they slap some Aloha decals over the go decals and proclaim themselves AQ here to carry on the legacy? Lol, they might as well be taking lava
86 BOStonsox : I don't really have any opinion on this either way, but I just don't see why airlines are allowed to do that. Are they trying to fool people into beli
87 Lightsaber : There is no value in the "Go!" brand. Heck, it might be a boat anchor. Its going to be good marketing to bring back a name people have positive assoc
88 777fan : Are you serious? This is exactly how WN - and anyone in it to win it - operates! WN typically begins service at markets traditionally dominated by le
89 NorCal : As an airline pilot I despise Mesa because of what they have done to the industry. They beat their employees down, treat them like garbage, have terr
90 MrSkyGuy : Speaking from experience, not ALL of Mesa is bad. Mesa has good people working for it--I wouldn't work there for double my current salary, but let's b
91 Aloha717200 : No, Go didn't just do the "Southwest Effect", Go did a "slash and burn" 9 dollar fares? when was the last time you saw WN do 9 dollar fares? WN compe
92 777fan : Depends on your criteria. I seem to recall AQ actually giving away 500 or so interisland tickets ~ 2005 or so. WN is currently offering o/w tickets f
93 Aloha717200 : I dont deny at all that AQ's weakness was management's doing, after all you are right that HA weathered the storm, and AQ did not. That's because HA w
94 777fan : Well said. I think we can all agree on that. I, for one, was really excited when Embraer came to HNL with the E-190 but by then, a new fleet was litt
95 777ER : I've flowen both UA Express and US Express. My only bad RJ experience was with US Express, DCA-DTW. All I can say is, customer service - what custome
96 Sushka : Mesa what a disgrace to the Aloha name and aloha spirit
97 TN757Flyer : Can't really compare these. The Aloha name was not sullied like Valujet's. True AQ's management left somewhat to be desired, but they were still a pr
98 Aloha717200 : I think you mean the other way around...it's Go! that has the tarnished name, not AQ. Go would use the AQ name to make themselves more marketable.
99 BA744PHX : Actually from a business and investors point of view... AQ name is the tarnished one.. I will give you a hint why.... which airline was not able to s
100 Bluewave 707 : Rudy Tongg is rolling over in his grave! The sad thing is that Yucaipa needs to make its money it invested into AQ, and they are willing to settle for
101 Aloha717200 : Then why on earth is it so "smart" for them to name themselves Aloha?
102 TN757Flyer : No, my comment was based on the fact Valujet's name was tarnished due to the MIA crash. Aloha or go! do not carry that distinction going into this. I
103 Aloha73G : Just heard through the grapevine that Mokulele might be going after the Aloha name. That would be a much better outcome IMHO. No confirmation on this
104 AllegiantAir : Already have with their E170s! Last week they began I believe. But they've been flying with their C208s since early 2007.
105 HAL : Mokulele has been flying with their Caravans since 1998. It was bought by Boyer in 2005, and started their Go! Express service in 2007. Since Mokulel
106 Aloha717200 : Absolutely far and away better! An Aloha E170 might be a reality yet. Let's hope.
107 HNL-Jack : Just flew Mokuele to Kona and back. Beautiful airplane, pleasant flight attendants, a very nice experience. Frankly I was surprised at the amount of r
108 Bluewave 707 : Hopefully with MW's other E170s on the way for the OGG and ITO service, they will be even more successful and prosperous. They have a great product &
109 PHLBOS : I believe there are several differences regarding FL merging w/J7 but keeping its name: 1. Although the FAA could've shut them down themselves if the
110 N7190JR : Aloha was special, and this is not the way to honor the employees and customers who worked hard and were loyal to this airline. - N7190JR
111 PHLBOS : That may be true for Hawaii, but for those coming from the mainland that are NOT in the aviation/airline industry, frequent island hoppers nor aviati
112 Surfdog75 : If they Mokulele doesn't go for it I'd like to see someone offer double what Mesa does just to keep them from getting it. DL, UA, AA? Anyone but Mesa
113 TN757Flyer : Errr...check your codes. The original Frontier was FL. Midway 2 was JI.
114 Post contains links HaYnFlyer : The Honolulu Star Bulletin is now reporting that the sale of the Aloha Airlines trade name has been blocked by the federal bankruptcy judge citing Mes
115 HNL-Jack : Perhaps the judge suspects that Mesa won't even be around by February 19th. Good decision.
116 Post contains links Oswegobag : Very interesting. I suspect Mesa's stock will plummet tomorrow morning because its stock more than doubled on the news of the lawsuit settlement. Of c
117 Aloha73G : Best news I've heard in a while. Apparently HA did make a cash bid for the name, but was outbid. Members of the Ing family which owned Aloha for many
118 Post contains links Aloha73G : from the Honolulu Advertiser: http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081203/BREAKING03/81203047 WOW W O W -Aloha! "You can buy the Aloha name, bu
119 BA744PHX : WOW is right what a bunch of unbusiness like people another good example why that airline isnt around LOL LOL LOL...
120 T prop : What are you talking about? A federal judge made this decision and why does this have anything to do with why AQ is not around?
121 Aloha73G : Yes, perhaps the judge is giving AQ's former owners/Hawaiian Airlines/Mokulele/AQ's employees or anyone else some time to put together a better offer
122 BA744PHX : That was for Aloha3G also a former employee of AQ before their demise
123 Aviateur : Mesa has always been pretty shameless... but this is a new low, at least symbolically. Of course, we shouldn't be surprised at a company's desire to c
124 Aloha717200 : Do you have a point?
125 PHLBOS : Thanks for the correct codes; I didn't have time to back-check.
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