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Will Mainline Return On ALB-ATL?  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

It makes me sick to think that DL can only support 3x CRJ's from ALB while other small cities in the south are feeding of the palms of their hands. 2 years ago DL flew 4x 738's daily to ALB.

Take SRQ for example, why should DL be flying multiple mainline flights into their a day and they are soon going to be flying the 752 into there. Ridiculous!!! Wayy more people fly from ALB-ATL than from SRQ. It makes me sick just think about it. Can anyone explain this?


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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
Wayy more people fly from ALB-ATL than from SRQ.

Daily seats on ATL-SRQ: 708
Daily seats on ATL-ALB: 210

Obviously not. Did you have another question to ask, because the one you did ask you've already answered yourself.

[Edited 2008-11-28 19:59:28]

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2698 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 1):
Daily seats on ATL-SRQ: 708
Daily seats on ATL-ALB: 210

Obviously not. Did you have another question to ask, because the one you did ask you've already answered yourself.

I'm saying there is more demand for ALB than there is and there should be more flights. The flights are always overbooked and a lot of people have to connect now.



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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2697 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
It makes me sick to think



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
It makes me sick just think about it. Can anyone explain this?

Really that sick? You need to get out more. Obviously the 738s could of been used elsewhere. DL is huge in the south!
Like NW is big in the Midwest sending mainline to MOT, GFK, BIL, RAP BIS. And NW still sends mainline to ALB


get over it


User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2636 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
It makes me sick to think that DL can only support 3x CRJ's from ALB while other small cities in the south are feeding of the palms of their hands

Uh, I'm just going to say it, it's honestly not really that big of a deal. They bring in 3x CR7's, not 3x CRJ's, and the occasional CR9. That is enough capacity for the route. Not saying that I wouldn't enjoy seeing DL mainline back, but it's honestly not necessary in terms of the demand.



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User currently offlineDolphinflyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

I agree with you that ALB-ATL is an underserved market, in terms of capacity. Unfortunately, it's a monopoly nonstop market for DL, so they serve it with RJ service only. Note that in markets where DL competes against FL, such as BUF-ATL and ROC-ATL, DL does add mainline flights into the nonstop mix.

User currently onlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

Just be thankful that ALB even has DL service. It could always go the way of AA/AE.

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2574 times:



Quoting Dolphinflyer (Reply 5):
I agree with you that ALB-ATL is an underserved market, in terms of capacity. Unfortunately, it's a monopoly nonstop market for DL, so they serve it with RJ service only. Note that in markets where DL competes against FL, such as BUF-ATL and ROC-ATL, DL does add mainline flights into the nonstop mix.

If know, right? If FL came in here added 3x 717's, DL would bring the mad dogs back.



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User currently offlineKalvado From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2560 times:



Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 6):
Just be thankful that ALB even has DL service. It could always go the way of AA/AE.

It's irrelevant, AA plainly failed in competition with WN (and to some extent UA) for Chicago market. One may note that AA service at ALB was so-so at best.
Unfortunately, WN doesn't serve ATL, so DL doen't have to protect its fortress. Moreover, I would assume DL would see DTW and MSP service as sufficient for the market, so probably direct ATL would go away pretty soon.


User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2537 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
Wayy more people fly from ALB-ATL than from SRQ

Simply No. SRQ-ATL averages 326 pax per day and ALB-ATL averages 180.


User currently offlineDolphinflyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2504 times:



Quoting Kalvado (Reply 8):
so probably direct ATL would go away pretty soon

I absolutely disagree with this statement. ALB-ATL has been an established nonstop market since the early 1980s, when Eastern used to fly it with 727s, there is plenty of sufficient demand, both in terms of local and connecting traffic, to warrant continued nonstop service - even if just with RJ service. The ALB market is large enough to maintain nonstop service to ATL, DTW and MSP by the new DL.


User currently offlineKalvado From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2388 times:



Quoting Dolphinflyer (Reply 10):
I absolutely disagree with this statement. ALB-ATL has been an established nonstop market since the early 1980s,

Hopefully you're correct.. but we'll see. Something tells me it's impossible to be too pessimistic these days.
Who could think AA would pull out from a well-established ALB market?


User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2336 times:



Quoting Kalvado (Reply 11):
Who could think AA would pull out from a well-established ALB market?

I would never call it well-established, especially when they only ran 3x ER4's against WN with 3x 737's and UA's 2x 733, and 3x CR7.
It used to be well-established, but when the flights became unprofitable they went away. DL, on the other hand, has no competition, so they put the a/c necessary on the route to be profitable.



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User currently offlineDolphinflyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2309 times:



Quoting Kalvado (Reply 11):
Who could think AA would pull out from a well-established ALB market?

I believe that AA's pullout from ALB (and PVD, for that matter) are more a reflection of their lack of appropriate aircraft to economically serve the market rather than lack of ALB warranting an appropriate level of nonstop service to ORD with connections beyond. AA lacks sufficient flexibility (i.e. lacks enough aircraft due to pilot scope clause) to serve markets like ALB and MCO with 70-100 seat regional jet aircraft like the E70/E90 and CR7/CR9. If AA had adequate numbers of these type of aircraft in the American Eagle fleet, I think you'd not only see nonstop ALB-ORD, but also ALB-DFW and ALB-MIA as well. Perfect world scenario, I know, but a sad fact of life in these economic times.


User currently offlineKalvado From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

As far as I remember, ALB wasn't an eagle-only station just a few years ago, rather it was a mainline market with 20+ years of service.
Looks like a trend: mainline -> downgrade to RJ ->reduction in PAX numbers -> downgrade to no service. Someone mentioned, DL has less than 200 pax daily by now; they could fill several mainline (738 and MD80) just 2-3 years ago


User currently offlineIhadapheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6027 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2162 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
t makes me sick to think that DL can only support 3x CRJ's from ALB while other small cities in the south

Excuse me if I am missing something here (I may be a confused old chimp).. But you compare ALB to "other cities in the south"), are you talking about ALB (Albany, New York) or ABY (Albany, Georgia)

If I have missed something I am sorry and I now return you to the thread

IHAP



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User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

I think they are referring to ALB(Albany, NY). To my knowledge, DL never operated mainline to ABY (Albany,GA)

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

DL mainline is returning to MDW, so maybe they'll come back to ALB with their 73W. I know that MDW has waaaaaaayyyyyyyy more seats to ATL, but it's possible.


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User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

MDW also has a much bigger population base to draw from, and is a much larger market for O&D traffic. ALB and MDW are not comparable markets.

ALB yields are hit by the WN presence in the market. That's why the 738's are gone. They were having to give too many seats away in markets where they competed with WN. The 738's were moved to more profitable markets. The larger CRJ's fit the market. DL mainline to ATL is overkill in ALB.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1878 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 18):
MDW also has a much bigger population base to draw from, and is a much larger market for O&D traffic. ALB and MDW are not comparable markets.

ALB yields are hit by the WN presence in the market. That's why the 738's are gone. They were having to give too many seats away in markets where they competed with WN. The 738's were moved to more profitable markets. The larger CRJ's fit the market. DL mainline to ATL is overkill in ALB.

One thing though, WN doesn't serve ATL!!!

I just hope that they take away mainline service to DTW. I'd just saying I'd like them to someday reinstate mainline service to ATL and maybe even add bigger aircraft like the CR9/175 to MSP.



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User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1824 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 18):
ALB yields are hit by the WN presence in the market.

I'd say definetely for other routes to destinations like MDW/MCO or so that the yield is affected. Other airlines such as UA and US lose big time to WN, I'd say DL is the one airline who minimally loses the yields here at ALB.

And back to USAirALB, it's obvious that DL puts a CR7 on the route because they deem it as having enough seats to fill the a/c and make money. It's really that simple. If they thought a 73W woulld be a proper a/c, they would put it on the route.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
I just hope that they take away mainline service to DTW. I'd just saying I'd like them to someday reinstate mainline service to ATL and maybe even add bigger aircraft like the CR9/175 to MSP.

And why would you want DL to take mainline off of an obviously successful route using DC9's and A319's to DTW? Again, it's the situation of them putting the correct a/c on the route to make money. And from what you say here, you would rather have them put mainline to ATL instead of DTW. Any particular reason why it would matter?

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
I'm saying there is more demand for ALB than there is and there should be more flights

If you want more flights, then using 3x CR7's instead of 2x MD88's would do that for you, just like they did 3 years ago to their current situation.
Demand for ALB is there at it's current situation. The loss of AA/AE helped UA and WN with loads to ORD/MDW. There are flights to most every major hub in the east and some in the midwest. I would say there is obvious demand, and that at the current time, it is not necessary.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1698 times:



Quoting KstateinALB (Reply 20):
And why would you want DL to take mainline off of an obviously successful route using DC9's and A319's to DTW? Again, it's the situation of them putting the correct a/c on the route to make money. And from what you say here, you would rather have them put mainline to ATL instead of DTW. Any particular reason why it would matter?

Whoops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I meant to say I hope they DON'T take away service to DTW!!



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