Tan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1882 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1550 times:
Just was on a new TW B-717 earlier this week..Nice plane. I believe AA will use them to retire the DC-9-30s ASAP at TW. Later we might see them in on regular AA routes. Look for most TW aircraft to stay with in the TWA, LLc for now as AA figures out the best way to smoothly intregrate TW into AA.
oh, and BTW, GOT, AA has a gentlemens agreement to buy Boeing for many years to come. Hundreds of manufacturing slots on the 737,757 & 777 line are already reserved for AA. There will be no more Airbusses other than the 35 on hand now.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5547 posts, RR: 11 Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1516 times:
To the best of my knowledge- which mostly originates from this forum- AA has no plans to replace the A300 series in the near future. They work very well for what AA needs them for, transatlantic. It took AA a long time to find the niche that the Airbus fit into, but once they did they became quite happy. That's my understanding.
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1443 times:
Being that AA currently operates the MD-80, these 717s (MD-95s), will blend in with them because technically they are from the same family. Also AA engine mechanics will have no problem servicing the 717's RR engines.
AA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2284 posts, RR: 25 Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1426 times:
Cannot wait to see the 717 in AA colors! the F100's are
not that old at all, so i don't think AA has plans for them to go anytime soon. A300's will remain in the fleet
for a long time to come, they work very well on there
caribbean routes. and the 3class A300's are going to
get a makeover. GO AA717!
Western737 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 489 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1408 times:
RIX, wait a min? The order of A318 might be rather small to you. They have alot of F100 and older TWA's older DC-9 that they might consider to order more 717 to replace them in future. We never will know...
How do you know that A320 proves better than 737? I never seen any perfect plane, yet.
Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2457 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1403 times:
was the order that big? How many A318s are ordered by other airlines? It doesn't seem to me A318 is at any danger
Please keep in mind that TWA had orders for about 50 A318s - and that's out of about 160 total orders for the A318 by all airlines to date. That means roughly about $2 billion in lost sales to Airbus, which also has to worry about the A380 being a hugely expensive project to develop.
Logos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 774 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1385 times:
Quantas A3XX - The Airbus A320s to prove to be better planes then B737s .. Sorrie ... .
You know, this is what I hate about these Airbus vs. Boeing debates (aside from the horrid grammar and spelling) on these boards is that people just come out and say something like this without justification.
Both aircraft have pluses and minuses but, from an operator's standpoint, when everything is taken into consideration, I think the 737 is a marginally better choice. According to the figures I've seen, their CASM is better (particularly for the 737-800 vs. A-320). Continental and Southwest, the only US carriers to make a profit in the most recent reporting period, are both big 737 operators, which has got to tell you something.
That doesn't make the A-32x series bad aircraft (especially with the sweetheart deals Airbus is wont to give), but a statement like they prove to be better or "they're more economical" are wholly unsubstantiated. Keep the discussion factual.
By the way, the loss of this A-318 order does hurt Airbus. As was mentioned above, TWA comprised a significant portion of all A-318 orders and was the North American launch customer. Now only Frontier has them on order in North America, as far as I know. Whether anyone is hot to take TWA's delivery positions, especially with the economy doing what it's doing, I don't know. I don't see anybody clamoring for them like Midwest Express and AirTran were for the 717s if they became available.
Navion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1002 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1379 times:
I know some of you guys are disappointed that AA will not be getting the TWA ordered A318's. However it is important to remember, for the job AA would need the 717's, the A318's are simply too heavy. An A318 becomes more attractive the longer the sector. The 717 is not only much lighter, but it has in fact beat it's performance guarantee targets so significantly that Boeing actually increased the payload allowed. I do like the look of the A318 (especially with that taller fin), but AA has certainly not made a mistake. One final thing, if AA needs lower density longer stage length aircraft, it has the 738 which is extremely efficient with great long range performance.
Juul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1366 times:
You know what I hate about these A vs. B wars (aside from what you already mentioned)? People twisting numbers in such a way that the product they prefer comes out best, no matter how old or rediculous those statements, numbers or facts are. Examples:
"Continental and Southwest, the only US carriers to make a profit in the most recent reporting period, are both big 737 operators, which has got to tell you something."
So they're profitable because they operate the 737? You can't possibly take this seriously, can you?
"...aircraft (especially with the sweetheart deals Airbus is wont to give)".
Oh man, this one's really old. Can you actually PROVE that Airbus gives more discount than Boeing?
Remember, let's keep this discussion factual, like you said...
Making up some facts to prove your point is just as bad as not providing any facts, which is what A3XX did (oh, and I don't agree with what he (Airbus A3XX) said or the way he said it...)
Juul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1287 times:
Do you really think Boeing doesn't do that? That's just the way business is done, my friend...
Or do you really think AA, DL and CO would sign exclusivity contract without HUGE discounts being included.
Another thing: you say 'Airbus has been known to give large discounts...'. Where is it these rumors are beig spread? Right, here on these forums, because each time Airbus wins an order, you can bet that after a while some juvenile comes along with the good old 'Airbus probably gave them away' line. Is it really that hard to accept that airlines might actually choose to buy Airbuses because they believe they're the best for their needs, not just because they 'hand 'em out' like some people believe. Airbus is not a charity, you know...
Critter592 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1245 times:
JUST STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God!!!!!!... Airbus, and Boeing are Both Great Aircraft Manufacturers. They Both Fly, They Both make money, They Are Both Good Aircraft. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE MAKE A BIG ARGUMENT OVER THIS EVERY TIME AIRBUS OR BOEING IS MENTIONED IN THE SAME TOPIC... It is like you guys wait for it to show up and then say "YAY, AN AIRBUS VS. BOEING POST!!!" Just leave it alone. So AA wants to keep the 717s and not the A318s. Let that be for American to Debate about... I Think an Airbus A318 would look good in American Colors, But we cannot change their decision... JUST STOP FIGHTING. AIRBUS IS A GOOD COMPANY, Sure, They have their flaws, but so does Boeing. Do you expect Airbus to be Perfect? So just Stop this argument RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!