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Boeing 767 orders- current, pending and otherwise  
User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 28218 times:

With the 767 orders still ticking in I thought it was a good time to start a thread about the 767.

The backlog has increased to 72 orders and production will continue 6 more years at current productionrate.



This year the following airlines have ordered the 767.

All Nippon - 9
Azerbajan Airlines - 2
LAN Airlines - 4
Unidentified - 9
Uzbekistan Airways - 4

This totals 28 net orders for this year alone.



The order backlog is now

38 767-300ER
33 767-300F
01 767-400ER

Does anybody know who have ordered this plane? According to Boeing.com this is for an unidentified customer ordered in 2004. Seems odd too me.

Currently there has been ordered 1039 767. Not bad for a plane of this age. How many more will we see? I hope that there will be some orders in the years to come. Will it reach 1200 airplanes?

Breakdown of orders pr model:

128: 767-200
121: 767-200ER
104: 767-300
562: 767-300ER
082: 767-300F
038: 767-400ER






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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31436 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 28213 times:
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She'll definitely make 1050.

Could make 1100 (thanks to freighters, but the 767-300BCF could negate that milestone).

Don't think she'll make more then that unless she wins the KC-45A re-bid.


User currently offlineHOOB747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 28156 times:

I always thought of the 767 as an underrated gem in Boeing's fleet. And all the commotion about the tanker fiasco recently had taken away the fact that the 767 is a reliable, versatile workhorse. I'm sad the 767-400ER didn't catch on better with customers (other than Delta), but the strength of the -300 shows the 767's real value. I flew a 767-400 from Anchorage to Atlanta this past June, and what a plane, what a flight. And as her order book slowly empties, I will always give a healthy nod of respect toward any 767 I come across.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 28144 times:



Quoting OyKIE (Thread starter):
01 767-400ER

Does anybody know who have ordered this plane? According to Boeing.com this is for an unidentified customer ordered in 2004. Seems odd too me.

I think it's the following aircraft, built as the intended prototype for the USAF E-10A program, the planned 767-400ER-based replacement for the 707-based E-3 Sentry AWACS, until the E-10 program was cancelled earlier this year. The aircraft is now in storage.


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User currently offlineZuluAviator994 From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 28105 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
I think it's the following aircraft, built as the intended prototype for the USAF E-10A program, the planned 767-400ER-based replacement for the 707-based E-3 Sentry AWACS, until the E-10 program was cancelled earlier this year. The aircraft is now in storage.

Oh I wish I could buy it, I wonder how much their asking?
Would make a perfect Christmas present for myself  Wink

Anyway, on topic, I love the aircraft, and hope to see orders continuing, even though its at the expense of the 787. I want to see both aircraft, side-by-side with major airlines. I think that would look great, even though it might not be the best combination (route overlap)

Cheers



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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7711 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 28055 times:



Quoting OyKIE (Thread starter):
Currently there has been ordered 1039 767. Not bad for a plane of this age.

Not baiting or anything but what exactly does this comment mean? When the B-767 was introduced it was a new build a/c and essentially had no competitor, suggest you check to see when the majority of orders were placed. In recent times as mentioned orders have slowed, but orders aside, the numbers still in service is a testiment to the quality of the a/c.
Longest flights I have had on the a/c was NAS-LHR-NAS, benn a pleasure each time.


User currently offlineBjwonline From UK - England, joined Mar 2007, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 28049 times:

I still think it is a shame that we never saw any orders for the 764 beyond CO and DL. I understand that when comparing the two, the 330 has better operating numbers, I just would have thought that there would have been more orders from existing 767 operators who had no airbus in their fleet and yet wanted that bit more capacity but not as much as a 772. Airlines such as AA, BA, UA and QF come to mind (I know QF now have 330's but they are a relatively new addition which the 764 could have filled for them).

User currently offlineBuddys747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 535 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 28014 times:

The 767-300ER was my first wide body plane I ever flew on. What a difference going from the CRJ from MDT then going on that "big" plane from ATL to FCO. Too bad the entertainment system didn't work on the flight back. I also flew on the 400ER last winter from SLC to ATL. I like the 2-3-2 seating and it was a very comfortable plane. It has served many airlines well despite the competition from the A330 ( I'd like to fly on one of those too)

User currently offlineKRIC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 27990 times:
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Quoting Par13del (Reply 5):
Not baiting or anything but what exactly does this comment mean?

I think what the OP meant was simply that it is pretty impressive for the 767 to be generating commercial orders for NEW BUILD aircraft when the basic *design* is over 25 years old.

Granted, avionics, powerplants, etc. have been updated since the original 767 flew, and new orders are for the -300 and -400...not the original -200...but the basic airframe design is the same. It is one thing for cash-strapped airlines to be willing to re-furbish older, existing airframes that are sitting idle in the desert, but the fact that they're willing to spend money on new-build planes of a 25+ year old basic design speaks to the robustness and versatility of that original design.

Wouldn't this be the equivalent of airlines ordering new-build 707s and DC-8s in the late-70's?

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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31436 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 27984 times:
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Quoting OyKIE (Thread starter):
Does anybody know who have ordered this plane? According to Boeing.com this is for an unidentified customer ordered in 2004. Seems odd too me.

As noted it was for the MC-10A program. However that program was canceled and the order never fulfilled and the plane was never built, but it stayed on the books since the USAF did not formally cancel the order.

As I recall, the slot was resold as a 767VIP going to a private customer this year which is why it was finally built this year.


User currently offlineFlyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 27936 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Thread starter):
The backlog has increased to 72 orders and production will continue 6 more years at current productionrate.

If production will be extended out that long, why not consider putting GEnx2 engines on them?

[Edited 2008-11-29 17:58:21]

User currently offlineFlyHigh@Tom From United Arab Emirates, joined Sep 2001, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 27850 times:

The 787 delays have also clearly helped this old workhorse of Boeing  Wink It deserves to soldier on for a few more years...any existing 767 operators (and 787 curtomers) ...now is the time you can demand compensation for the 787 delays!

User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 27803 times:

Thank god Aviation Partners Boeing released winglets for this plane. Adds to the effeciency/value of the aircraft.

Desmond in ILM,



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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 27744 times:

Nice to see the venerable workhorse carrying on well past the date naysayers had put in stone. With the continueing delays to the 787 program, a few 767 orders should contine to trickle in as airlines look for extra capacity until Dreamliners arrive. As much as I'd love to see the 767 line continue on in the USAF tanker competition, I think it would be better for Boeing to somehow offer the 787.

As for the 767 not having any competition when it first came out, that is incorrect. Airbus's A300 and A310 were both capable adversaries which it has outlived in production.

Of the cargo 767s left to be built, doesn't UPS hold a few delivery slots?



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 27734 times:

Delta has the following 767 options on the books:

767-300ER: 4
767-400ER: 5

...none of which are expected to be exercised at this point.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31436 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 27665 times:
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Quoting Flyingclrs727 (Reply 10):
If production will be extended out that long, why not consider putting GEnx2 engines on them?

The GEnx2B-6x's 104" fan is upwards of 11" wider then the fan on the CF6, PW4000 and RB211 families currently hanging off the wings of 767s so it likely won't fit. Now GE could develop an even smaller fan, but the market might not be there.


User currently offlineFlyingClrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 27595 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
The GEnx2B-6x's 104" fan is upwards of 11" wider then the fan on the CF6, PW4000 and RB211 families currently hanging off the wings of 767s so it likely won't fit. Now GE could develop an even smaller fan, but the market might not be there.

It would probably fit fine under a 767 using the 767-400ER landing gear.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 27553 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
Quoting OyKIE (Thread starter):
01 767-400ER

Does anybody know who have ordered this plane? According to Boeing.com this is for an unidentified customer ordered in 2004. Seems odd too me.

I think it's the following aircraft, built as the intended prototype for the USAF E-10A program, the planned 767-400ER-based replacement for the 707-based E-3 Sentry AWACS, until the E-10 program was cancelled earlier this year. The aircraft is now in storage.

The second B-767-400ER slot is a USAF option for E-10A pre-production airplane #2. I believe the USAF still has 2 years before they have to execise this option. The USAF never canceled E-10A pre-production airplane #1, dispite Boeing asking them if they really wanted it, so that airplane fell into it's assigned production slot number and was built as N526BA, which is a Boeing Aircraft registration number. My understanding is that it has been sold now, and that new owner might be interested in the second pre-production E-10A if the USAF does not take it. So, it looks good, right now that at least one more B-767-400ER will be built.

Quoting Bjwonline (Reply 6):
Airlines such as AA, BA, UA and QF come to mind (I know QF now have 330's but they are a relatively new addition which the 764 could have filled for them).



Quoting Buddys747 (Reply 7):
I like the 2-3-2 seating and it was a very comfortable plane. It has served many airlines well despite the competition from the A330 ( I'd like to fly on one of those too)

Now, QF is no longer the only airline in the world flying both the A-330 and the B-767. DL has joined that club, with a much more diverse fleet of both the A-330-200 and the -300, and the B-767-300, -300ER and -400ER.

Quoting KRIC777 (Reply 8):
Wouldn't this be the equivalent of airlines ordering new-build 707s and DC-8s in the late-70's?

Yes. Airlines continued to order the DC-8-61, -62, and -63 into the mid 1970s, and IIRC, the last airline order for the B-707-320B/C was in 1982. IIRC, the very last commerical B-707 order was a B-707-300F. The military forces of many nations continued to order new build AWACS (E-3A/B/C/D/F) and tanker (KE-3A) models of the B-707 until the late 1980s, with the last delivered in 1992.


User currently offlinePZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 27430 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
Quoting Buddys747 (Reply 7):
I like the 2-3-2 seating and it was a very comfortable plane. It has served many airlines well despite the competition from the A330 ( I'd like to fly on one of those too)

Now, QF is no longer the only airline in the world flying both the A-330 and the B-767. DL has joined that club, with a much more diverse fleet of both the A-330-200 and the -300, and the B-767-300, -300ER and -400ER.

TAM (JJ) is also flying the B-767-300 and A-330-200


User currently offlineDelawareUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 27419 times:

Now, QF is no longer the only airline in the world flying both the A-330 and the B-767. DL has joined that club, with a much more diverse fleet of both the A-330-200 and the -300, and the B-767-300, -300ER and -400ER.

don't forget USAirways has both 767 and 330.


User currently offlinePZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 27400 times:

So we have QF, JJ, DL and USAirways?

User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 27353 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Don't think she'll make more then that unless she wins the KC-45A re-bid.

So you do not believe more customers will take the 767 as part of a compensation for the delayed 787?

Quoting Par13del (Reply 5):
Not baiting or anything but what exactly does this comment mean?



Quoting KRIC777 (Reply 8):
I think what the OP meant was simply that it is pretty impressive for the 767 to be generating commercial orders for NEW BUILD aircraft when the basic *design* is over 25 years old.

 checkmark  Thank you for clarifying.  Smile I was a bit tired when I wrote that so I typed it a bit wrong. It is the current backlog that is impressive for plane that is more than 25 years old.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
I think it's the following aircraft, built as the intended prototype for the USAF E-10A program, the planned 767-400ER-based replacement for the 707-based E-3 Sentry AWACS, until the E-10 program was cancelled earlier this year. The aircraft is now in storage.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
As I recall, the slot was resold as a 767VIP going to a private customer this year which is why it was finally built this year.

Cool. So the E-10 will finally find a home  Smile

Quoting Flyingclrs727 (Reply 10):
If production will be extended out that long, why not consider putting GEnx2 engines on them?

It could be done technically, but I think Boeing might fear how that might eat up revenue on the 787-8.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31436 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 26989 times:
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Quoting OyKIE (Reply 21):
So you do not believe more customers will take the 767 as part of a compensation for the delayed 787?

I am sure some will, since many 787 customers also operate the 767, but I don't expect that number to rise into the high two-digits/low three-digits. More likely they'll consider 777s.


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 26945 times:

My first clear memory of flying on a widebody yet was a 767-306ER (as a kid I flew D10, but I can't really remember that). I have fond memories of that particular flight as I spent almost all the flight on the jump seat (this was pre 2001).
Since then, I made a couple of other great flights on the 767, the last one being on an almost factory fresh 767-300ER for LAN Airlines equipped with the Boeing Signature interior, together with 2-3-2 seating and LAN's AVOD IFE and cabin service this made for an extremely comfortable ride!


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7313 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 26876 times:

What airlines flew the 767, and moved over to the A33x?

In Europe, I can think of EI, SK and AF - LH had the 767 in its fleet but flown by Condor.



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25 PHKLM : Add KLM, it switched from the 767-300ER to A330-200.
26 American 767 : And KLM. KLM used to have 767-300ER's(they bought those as A310 replacement in the mid 90's), they replaced them with A330's in the mid 2000's. I don
27 Post contains links Nomadd22 : The Seattle PI reported about six months ago that Boeing is working on bumping production to 2 a month for civilian models. http://seattlepi.nwsource.
28 Post contains links and images Stitch : I know Boeing is working the 767-300BCF program and at least two or three external companies are doing passenger-to-freighter conversions of 767-200s,
29 Post contains images Nomadd22 : I still think that Boeing should bring back the "Hunckback of Mukilteo" Maybe people would pay a premium to fly the ugliest airplane ebver built.
30 Stitch : Thank god the 767-X became the 777.
31 Viscount724 : Not quite that late. The last DC-8 built, a -63 for SAS, was delivered in May 1972. Dates of last 60-series DC-8 orders: -61 -- November 1968, JAL -6
32 Post contains links Boeingdotcom : If the 767 order reaches 100+, I bet either, 1. Boeing will push PW, RR or GE to improve it's fuel burn, not as much as the B787, but maybe 2-5%, whi
33 DeltaL1011man : which is a shame...........I'd love to see them add the 5 764s......
34 Post contains links HAL : You can add Hawaiian to that list in about a year and a half when our first A330's start arriving. HA will have both by the second quarter of 2010, b
35 Post contains links OyKIE : I was wondering about this my self. Usually Boeing is very public about their developments, so why are they so silent about this plane? PW has launch
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