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Air France Evacuates Its Crew From BKK  
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10053 times:

Following the political tensions in Thailand and the blocking of BKK airports, Air France sent yesturay a B744 to bring back to CDG 70 Crew members (Pilots and F/A) stranded in Bangkok.
The AF B744 landed at UTP (U-Taphao Airport) located some 110km (70 mi) south from Bangkok.
They should be arriving at CDG today Nov. 30th

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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9982 times:

70 crew members? what sort of ops does AF have at BKK?

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9949 times:



Quoting ETStar (Reply 1):
70 crew members? what sort of ops does AF have at BKK?

72.
4 Crews of 18 (15 F/A + 3 Pilots).


User currently offlineTwoLz2Rn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9844 times:

a 747 for 72 crewmembers??

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9795 times:



Quoting TwoLz2Rn (Reply 3):
a 747 for 72 crewmembers??

The Crew who flew the B744 into UTP could not fly it back to CDG right away ... and all the Crews stranded there were also B744 crews ... It can be one of the reasons why they used a B744.

The flight was prepared with KLM and was initially supposed to be operated with a KLM aircraft. I don't know at this point if they also brought back the KLM crews.


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9751 times:



Quoting ETStar (Reply 1):
70 crew members? what sort of ops does AF have at BKK?

AF flights to BKK continues either to HAN or to SGN and of course it's not the crew who just arrived from CDG who's continuing to Vietnam. So this explain why there are a lot of crew members at BKK.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9681 times:



Quoting ETStar (Reply 1):
70 crew members? what sort of ops does AF have at BKK?



Quoting Goldorak (Reply 5):
AF flights to BKK continues either to HAN or to SGN and of course it's not the crew who just arrived from CDG who's continuing to Vietnam. So this explain why there are a lot of crew members at BKK.

Always 4 set of crew at the same time. AF operates a Daily CDG-BKK-CDG. Each light continues either to HAN or SGN.
The typical schedule for AF Crew to BKK is :

Day 1 : Depart CDG
Day 2 : Arrival BKK
Day 3 : ----
Day 4 : BKK-SGN-BKK or BKK-HAN-BKK
Day 5 : ----
Day 6 : Depart BKK
Day 7 : Arrival CDG


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9513 times:

if BKK closure is continuing for a while (I hope it won't be the case of course), I was wondering how this will affect AF operations to Vietnam. I know AF has sent a 744 non-stop to SGN on the 28th and that a non-stop SGN-CDG is scheduled tonight. But right now there hasn't been any CDG-HAN. Could AF consider to serve "regularly" Vietnam non-stop if BKK remains closed for a while ?

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4358 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9484 times:

Didn't the bother to try and fly some of their passengers out as well?


nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9464 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 4):

The flight was prepared with KLM and was initially supposed to be operated with a KLM aircraft. I don't know at this point if they also brought back the KLM crews.

According to Dutch media it did.
A KLM Boeing 747-400 is supposed to leave for BKK ex AMS today to repatriate up to 1000 (!) stranded Dutch tourists. I don't know whether this is greatly overstated (a KLM 744 has 425 seats) but the article does mention a quote where the person in charge of this operation at KLM says "we will have to fit all these people in one way or another, even if it is back-to-back".


User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27310 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9464 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 8):
Didn't the bother to try and fly some of their passengers out as well?

Thats what I thought. 400 people could have been air lifted.


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9394 times:

Some additional information on the repatriation of KLM and AF passengers, retrieved from klm.com

"Information for our passengers travelling to/from Bangkok and Taipei:

Due to the polititical situation in Bangkok Thailand and the closure of the airport, KLM is forced to cancel their flights to Bangkok (and Taipei) on November 30th and December 01st.

KLM will operate an extra flight for our KLM/Air France passengers out of Thailand to Amsterdam (with a stop in Kuala Lumpur).

This flight is scheduled to depart Thailand, Phuket on December 01st at 1900hrs local time and will arrive back at Schiphol Airport on December 02nd 0400hrs.

The passenger reservations for this flight will be done via the Netherlands Embassy and the French Embassy and our KLM/Airfrance townoffice in Bangkok, Thailand."


User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9358 times:



Quoting Goldorak (Reply 7):
Could AF consider to serve "regularly" Vietnam non-stop if BKK remains closed for a while ?

Assuming a 30 % LF between Paris and SGN or BKK (usually a lot of passengers disembark in BKK and the flight is lightly loaded after BKK) this gives us around between 100 and 150 daily AF passengers between CDG and Vietnam, or 200/300 every 2 days.
A circular CDG-HAN-SGN-CDG flight every 2 days would therefore probably be sufficient.  idea 

I hope AF will figure out something, if the BKK chaos continues, as I am booked on AF169 SGN-CDG next Saturday.



Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9266 times:

There is little chance of this airport opening before 10th December, as the sterile zone has been seriously breached. That will require a complete scan of the entire departures area.

Can you imagine how long that would take.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently onlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2399 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8810 times:
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It could take up to one month to repatriate all the stranded tourists !!!

It's a real setback for Tourism Authority of Thailand and the ailing TG and its Suvarnabhumi hub.

FB.



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User currently offlineAndie007 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks ago) and read 8022 times:

And AFAIK the standard hotel for Air France is the Hilton Bangkok.

User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks ago) and read 7875 times:



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 14):
It could take up to one month to repatriate all the stranded tourists !!!

As long as overland travel in Thailand is still possible it shouldn't be that hard to get to either Chiang Mai, Phuket or KUL using a bus or train, these are easy and cheap overnight train or bus rides. From those places there are numerous flights to Asian gateways.
As far as I understood it the people that are being repatriated by KLM are Dutch nationals that according to the media are stuck in BKK and are running low on resources (in Thailand, I wonder) and want to go home as soon as possible. I can envision circumstances are abnormal at the moment and overland travel might be more difficult than usual, and the situation at airports especially chaotic.

According to the Dutch embassy in Bangkok Dutch nationals are requested to report themselves to the Air France KLM office in Bangkok, from where overland transport to Phuket will be arranged. From Phuket a B744 will leave for KUL tomorrow and then fly on to AMS.
The AFKL BKK office will stay open until midnight local time for any passengers willing to leave Thailand.


User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27310 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks ago) and read 7832 times:



Quoting Andie007 (Reply 15):
Hilton Bangkok

There was a movie made about that

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096540/plotsummary


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2185 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6139 times:



Quoting TwoLz2Rn (Reply 3):
a 747 for 72 crewmembers??

Well, as pointed out by FlySSC, there are 4 crews ready to fly the aircraft back, and it's also a fleet availability matter, since the regular 744s to BKK are not flying these days, there are more 744s available at the moment.



When I doubt... go running!
User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5804 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 8):
Didn't the bother to try and fly some of their passengers out as well?

This is not that easy to organise as passengers could be dispersed all of Thailand by now. It is much easier to get a whole set of crew out.


User currently offlineCeph From Singapore, joined Jun 2007, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4458 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 18):
Well, as pointed out by FlySSC, there are 4 crews ready to fly the aircraft back

On a lighter note, imagine the "Fight" to be the operating crew. And also there will be multiple reduncencies. So no worries of "pilot incapacitation"!  Smile


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

The AF flight from UTP landed yesterday morning Nov.30 at 8:20 AM in CDG carrying all the Crews + their "travel partners".

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

Air France and KLM has sent a B744 to HKT.

The KLM flight back to AMS will leave HKT tonight Dec.1st.

The flight back to Paris, AF173, will leave HKT tomorrow, Tuesday Dec.2nd on the evening to arrive in CDG early morning on Dec.3rd after an en route stop in DXB.

The passengers holding a KLM or an AF ticket will be able to take indifferently the AF or the KLM flight.

Concerning the flights to Vietnam, AF will operate tonight Dec 1st a nonstop flight CDG-HAN (AF164).
The return flight AF169A will also be nonstop HAN-CDG. It will leave HAN on Dec.3rd to land in CDG on the 4th at 06:10AM

[Edited 2008-12-01 07:23:07]

User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2810 times:

What a mess, Thailand is going to end up on most airlines avoid lists
for a while.

cheers



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