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TAP To Start MOW, WAW, HEL In June 2009  
User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8650 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Seems official now. News in Portuguse only:
http://noticias.sapo.pt/lusa/artigo/2f9213e1f4911d213be3e8.html

Each city will be served 5 times weekly. MOW will be served with an A320 and incur a weight penalty. No word on which aircraft will be used for WAW and HEL. WAW will increase to daily during the hight of the Summer season. From 2007 to 2008 Portugal has seen a 30% increase from Russian visitors, 40+% from Poland, and nearly 27% from Finland.

I'm curious to see the actual schedule for Moscow. The article also states that TAP wants to make LIS a platform to connect Russia to Luanda and Brazil. Given that LAD is a red-eye in both directions but Brazil is a daylight southbound, I don't see how TAP can effectively achieve this with only 1 flight per day to MOW at most. I wonder if they are pondering introducing overnight flights to Brazil?

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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

To which airport in MOW will TAP fly? I guess it will be DME because most Star Alliance airlines are there.

User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3944 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Thread starter):
MOW will be served with an A320 and incur a weight penalty

That's a bit weird, if they have A319s too...



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3913 times:



Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 2):
That's a bit weird, if they have A319s too...

Very true. According to the Airbus web page the A 319 has 700nm (1300km) more range than the A 320 and could probably do it without payload restrictions.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8650 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3862 times:



Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 2):
That's a bit weird, if they have A319s too...

True but they may feel that the A320 gives them more flexibility: With an A320 you can chose whether to leave passengers or cargo behind. With an A319 you're already limited from the start, on both cargo and passengers.


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3797 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 4):
With an A320 you can chose whether to leave passengers or cargo behind.

But you'd be carrying more aircraft weight too, and therefore an A319 would have lower operating cost, even if a slightly lower revenue as well.



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4059 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3768 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Thread starter):
MOW will be served with an A320 and incur a weight penalty

They say in the article they will "only use 75% of the capacity of the aircraft". That is a HUGE weight penalty. Given the implications of the long flight on crew utilization they better have very good yields on this one...

In any case, very good news. I was thinking about going to Moscow this summer so I might just use this (let's see if it will be possible to book it with miles, because they will have to recoup a lot of costs...).



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3726 times:

Curious to see if AY reacts, I think their HEL-LIS route has been doing quite well. It's their longest scheduled intra European route, the flight takes almost 5h.
Anyway, good to see TAP in HEL!


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8650 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3688 times:



Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 5):
But you'd be carrying more aircraft weight too, and therefore an A319 would have lower operating cost, even if a slightly lower revenue as well.



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 6):
They say in the article they will "only use 75% of the capacity of the aircraft". That is a HUGE weight penalty. Given the implications of the long flight on crew utilization they better have very good yields on this one...

Both good points. Maybe the penalty will be necessary only in one direction and possibly not even every day? Here in the US we see A320 transcons of about the same length and it's only a problem in the Winter months flying westbound. At 2110nm, LIS-MOW is a long one for the A320 but not the longest. IB flies the A320 MAD-MOW and MAD is at 2000ft elevation and hot as hell in the Summer.


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Any idea on the HEL schedule yet? Amadeus is showing nothing.


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