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NW A330 In YKM (along With Other SEA Divirsions)  
User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 847 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

an exciting night in Yakima,
at 600PM local time, a NW A330-200 flying LHR-SEA divirted to YKM (says mechanical on nwa.com but probably due to fog in sea)
It is sitting on the ramp right now (probably the largest non-military plane to be in YKM in a long long time)
The A330 looks to be much larger than the airport terminal itself. I am in shock they came to YKM over GEG but brought some spice to my weekend.
Also an AA MD-83 is also here on the ground.

anyone else got info??

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User currently offlineVxg From United States of America, joined May 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Why wouldn't the NW 330's be Cat IIIb certified? The AA MD I understand.

VxG


User currently onlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

With the way fog has been forming down here in PDX land, I'm not suprised  Smile You'd think SEA would have CATIII approaches...

We've been under high pressure lately, and in the Pacific Northwest, that means THICK fog...  Sad So thick I was getting disoriented while driving to work last Monday.



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

I have no idea why they didn't go to pdx, are there more restrictions on heavies landing in reduced visibility??
PDX had a stead steam of traffic landing. Could it actually have been mechanical?
YKM only has QX personal, and by the looks of it both planes are here for the night, now does that work with customs, NW book etc? If they just got buses how does that work with customs??
Pilots have also timed out by now.....good for the yakima hotel business


User currently offlineVxg From United States of America, joined May 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

I just got back driving around Cougar Mountain this evening and I completely understand the thick fog issue. It was rough out there. However I am quite sure SEA has Cat IIIb approaches and in the past I've heard some airlines/aircraft conduct such approaches on ATC.

I guess I'm surprised NW's A330's are not capable of doing that. Anyone know what the RVR was at the time?

VxG


User currently offlineBayAreaBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

Couls be that th NW aircraft could have had it's CAT III downgraded due to an MEL or something. We have on occasion an aircraft that cannot land here in SEA during heavy fog due to CAT III downgrade.

User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Im flying through SEA tomorrow so I hope it gets better!

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

NW's A330's are CAT III certified, in fact they did the testing for new runways CAT approaches before it actually opened.


"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2715 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3876 times:



Quoting BayAreaBlue (Reply 5):
Couls be that th NW aircraft could have had it's CAT III downgraded due to an MEL or something. We have on occasion an aircraft that cannot land here in SEA during heavy fog due to CAT III downgrade.

That would be my best guess, either a downgrade or equipment failure en-route that degraded their CAT III capability. All the expected alternates are experiencing fog tonight. Yakima looks like the best option given the thick fog in every valley from Seattle south to San Diego.

Quoting GEG2RAP (Thread starter):
I am in shock they came to YKM over GEG but brought some spice to my weekend.

Spokane has been reporting RVRs of 1200 ft or less for the last 6 hours.



It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes.
User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2529 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

SEA can support Cat IIIb landings. But there are many reasons why a particular flight may not be able to shoot approaches in less than Cat I conditions. If the aircraft/airline/pilot isn't certified or current, then you may have to go elsewhere because: (1) The plane can be downgraded because of numerous mechanical problems that don't preclude it from making the trip, but do prevent an approach in Cat II or III conditions. (2) The airline may not be certified, or the particular aircraft type could be newly acquired at that airline and not yet be certified for low approaches. (3) Most airlines require an assurance autoland in VFR conditions within the past month to be legal to autoland under low conditions. If they haven't been able to make an autoland within that time period, the aircraft can't do it when the weather is bad. (4) The pilot may be newly upgraded and have 'high minimums' which prevents him from making Cat II or III approaches until he have a specified number of hours.

Any of these could be the reasons for certain diversions. In most cases these days, if the aircraft is certified Cat III, the pilot is current, and there are no MEL's affecting it, they can fly approaches down to at least 600 RVR, and in some cases as low as 300 RVR. I haven't seen any reports that low in SEA tonight, so I'm guessing all the diversions are for one or more of the reasons listed above.

HAL



One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3802 times:



Quoting GEG2RAP (Thread starter):
I am in shock they came to YKM over GEG



Quoting GEG2RAP (Reply 3):
I have no idea why they didn't go to pdx

Of course, the weather at the alternate has to meet certain requirements.... Looks like YKM had the "best" weather of either GEG or PDX...

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KSEA 010653Z 00000KT 0SM R16C/1400V1800FT -DZ FG VV001 11/10 A3006 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 DZE07B50 SLP186 P0000 T01060100
KSEA 010645Z 00000KT 0SM R16C/1200V1600FT FG VV001 11/10 A3006 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 DZE07 P0000
KSEA 010635Z 00000KT 0SM R16C/1200V2400FT FG VV001 11/10 A3006 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 DZE07 P0000
KSEA 010553Z 03003KT 0SM R16C/1400V2000FT -DZ FG VV001 11/10 A3008 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP192 P0000 60000 T01110100 10117 20106 56015
KSEA 010505Z 35004KT 0SM R16C/1200V1600FT -DZ FG VV001 11/10 A3009 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 P0000
KSEA 010453Z 01006KT 0SM R16C/1400V2600FT -DZ FG VV001 11/10 A3009 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/4 DZB09 SLP195 P0000 T01060100
KSEA 010429Z 36006KT 0SM R16C/1400V2800FT -DZ FG VV001 11/10 A3010 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 DZB09 P0000
KSEA 010353Z 35007KT 0SM R16C/1000V1200FT FG VV001 11/10 A3011 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP201 T01110100
KSEA 010253Z 34006KT 0SM R16C/1000FT FG VV001 11/11 A3012 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/16 SLP207 T01110106 58017
KSEA 010153Z 34004KT 0SM R16C/1200V1400FT FG VV001 11/11 A3014 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/16 SLP213 T01110106
KSEA 010141Z 36005KT 0SM R16C/1600V5000FT FG VV001 11/11 A3014 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/16
KSEA 010100Z 35006KT 0SM R16C/1000V1400FT FG VV001 11/11 A3016 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/16
KSEA 010053Z 35006KT 0SM R16C/1200V2800FT FG VV001 12/11 A3016 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/16 SLP220 T01170106
KSEA 302353Z 36004KT 0SM R16C/1000V4000FT FG VV001 12/11 A3017 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP224 T01170111 10128 20117 56024
KSEA 302301Z 36006KT 0SM R16C/1200V2600FT FG VV001 12/11 A3019 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8
KSEA 302253Z 36007KT 0SM R16C/1400V2200FT FG VV001 12/11 A3019 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP230 T01170111
KSEA 302244Z 36006KT 0SM R16C/1000V1600FT FG VV001 12/11 A3020 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/4
KSEA 302237Z 02005KT 0SM R16C/1000V5000FT FG VV001 12/11 A3020 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/4
KSEA 302216Z 36006KT 1/2SM R16C/1200V4000FT FG VV001 12/11 A3020 RMK AO2
KSEA 302153Z 34005KT 1/4SM R16C/1000V1400FT FG VV001 12/11 A3021 RMK AO2 SLP237 T01170111
KSEA 302053Z 35005KT M1/4SM R16C/0600V0800FT FG VV001 12/11 A3024 RMK AO2 SLP248 T01170111 58025

KGEG 010753Z 00000KT 0SM R03/1000FT FG VV001 04/04 A3014 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP220 T00390039 400390017
KGEG 010653Z 00000KT 0SM R03/1000FT FG VV001 04/04 A3016 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP228 T00390039
KGEG 010553Z 03004KT 0SM R03/1200FT FG VV001 04/04 A3019 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP237 60000 T00390039 10039 20039 56015
KGEG 010453Z 04004KT 0SM R03/1000FT FG VV001 04/04 A3020 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 DZE50 SLP241 P0000 T00390039
KGEG 010353Z 04003KT 0SM R03/1200FT -DZ FG VV001 04/04 A3022 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP250 P0000 T00390039
KGEG 010253Z COR 02004KT 0SM R03/1200FT -DZ FG VV001 04/04 A3023 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP255 P0000 60000 T00390039 58012
KGEG 010153Z COR 05004KT 0SM R03/1200FT -DZ FG VV001 04/03 A3025 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP260 P0000 T00390033
KGEG 010053Z 04004KT 0SM R03/1400FT -DZ FG VV001 04/03 A3027 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP265 P0000 T00390033
KGEG 302353Z 04005KT 0SM R03/1800FT -DZ FG VV001 04/03 A3027 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP268 P0000 60000 T00390033 10039 20022 57012
KGEG 302253Z 04005KT 0SM R03/1200FT -DZ FG VV001 04/03 A3029 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP274 P0000 T00390033
KGEG 302153Z 05005KT 0SM R03/1200FT -DZ FG VV001 04/03 A3029 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP275 P0000 T00390033
KGEG 302053Z 05005KT 0SM R03/1000FT -DZ FG VV001 04/03 A3031 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 SLP281 P0000 60000 T00390033 56012
KGEG 302047Z 05005KT 0SM R03/1600FT -DZ FG VV001 04/03 A3031 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/8 P0000

KPDX 010753Z 00000KT 7SM R10R/1400V2600FT MIFG SCT001 07/06 A3009 RMK AO2 SLP190 T00670061 401220061
KPDX 010751Z 12003KT 7SM R10R/1400V2200FT MIFG SCT001 07/06 A3009 RMK AO2 401220061
KPDX 010728Z 00000KT 1/2SM R10R/2200V3500FT FG SCT001 08/07 A3010 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 4
KPDX 010657Z 00000KT 1/4SM R10R/0800V4500FT FG VV001 08/08 A3010 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 4
KPDX 010653Z 00000KT 1/8SM R10R/0800V1800FT FG VV001 08/08 A3011 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/4 SLP194 T00780078
KPDX 010634Z 00000KT 1/8SM R10R/1000V1600FT FG VV001 08/08 A3010 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/4
KPDX 010611Z 00000KT 1/8SM R10R/1400VP6000FT FG VV001 08/08 A3010 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/4
KPDX 010553Z 00000KT 1/8SM R10R/1800V2200FT FG VV001 08/08 A3010 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/4 SLP192 T00830083 10117 20083 50006
KPDX 010549Z 00000KT 1/16SM R10R/2000V2600FT FG VV001 08/08 A3010 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/4
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KPDX 010403Z 00000KT 1/16SM R10R/1000V1600FT FG VV001 09/09 A3008 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/4
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KPDX 010253Z 00000KT 1/16SM R10R/0700V1000FT FG VV001 10/10 A3009 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/4 SLP189 T01000100 58016
KPDX 010153Z 00000KT 1/8SM R10R/1000FT FG VV001 11/11 A3011 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/4 SLP195 T01060106
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KPDX 010116Z 00000KT 1/8SM R10R/2000V2400FT BR OVC001 11/11 A3011 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1
KPDX 010056Z 00000KT 1/4SM R10R/2400V4000FT BR OVC001 11/11 A3013 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 3/4
KPDX 010053Z 00000KT 1/2SM R10R/2400VP6000FT BR OVC003 11/11 A3013 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 2 SLP202 T01110111
KPDX 010037Z 00000KT 3/4SM BR OVC003 11/11 A3013 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 3
KPDX 010012Z 00000KT 1 1/2SM BR OVC003 11/11 A3013 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 3
KPDX 302353Z 00000KT 4SM BR OVC003 12/11 A3014 RMK AO2 SLP205 60000 T01170111 10122 20100 56024
KPDX 302253Z 26003KT 5SM BR OVC003 12/11 A3015 RMK AO2 SLP210 T01170111
KPDX 302241Z 27003KT 4SM BR OVC003 12/11 A3016 RMK AO2
KPDX 302212Z 00000KT 1 1/2SM BR OVC003 12/11 A3016 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 2
KPDX 302153Z 29003KT 1SM BR SCT001 OVC003 12/11 A3017 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 1/2 SLP216 T01170106
KPDX 302120Z 28003KT 1SM BR SCT001 OVC003 11/11 A3019 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 1/2
KPDX 302053Z 29003KT 1/2SM R10R/P6000FT BR SCT001 OVC003 11/11 A3021 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 SLP229 60000 T01110106 58030
KPDX 302040Z 00000KT 1/2SM BR SCT001 OVC003 11/11 A3022 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 1/4
KPDX 302025Z 27003KT 1/2SM R10R/5000VP6000FT BR OVC001 11/11 A3023 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 3/4

KYKM 010753Z AUTO 27003KT 2SM BR OVC005 03/02 A3018 RMK AO2 SLP228 T00280022 400781022
KYKM 010715Z AUTO 26004KT 2SM BR OVC007 03/02 A3019 RMK AO2
KYKM 010653Z AUTO 28004KT 1 3/4SM BR FEW002 OVC007 02/02 A3020 RMK AO2 SLP236 T00220022
KYKM 010644Z AUTO 29004KT 1 1/2SM BR SCT002 OVC007 02/02 A3020 RMK AO2
KYKM 010624Z AUTO 00000KT 1SM BR BKN002 OVC009 02/02 A3021 RMK AO2
KYKM 010559Z AUTO 25004KT 3/4SM BR SCT002 OVC009 02/02 A3022 RMK AO2
KYKM 010553Z 25004KT 1SM BR BKN002 OVC009 02/02 A3022 RMK AO2 SLP242 T00220017 10061 21011 56012
KYKM 010532Z 27005KT 1 1/4SM BR BKN002 OVC009 02/02 A3022 RMK AO2
KYKM 010507Z 27004KT 2 1/2SM BR BKN002 OVC009 01/00 A3022 RMK AO2
KYKM 010453Z 00000KT 3SM BR OVC009 01/00 A3022 RMK AO2 CIG 008V011 SLP246 T00060000
KYKM 010428Z 25005KT 2 1/2SM BR OVC009 00/M01 A3024 RMK AO2
KYKM 010402Z 26003KT 2SM BR BKN013 M01/M01 A3024 RMK AO2
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KYKM 010301Z 00000KT 2 1/2SM BR CLR 01/00 A3025 RMK AO2
KYKM 010253Z 00000KT 3SM BR CLR 00/00 A3025 RMK AO2 SLP257 T00000000 56009
KYKM 010153Z 00000KT 4SM BR CLR 02/01 A3026 RMK AO2 SLP258 T00220011
KYKM 010053Z 00000KT 5SM BR CLR 04/02 A3027 RMK AO2 SLP259 T00440022
KYKM 302353Z 00000KT 5SM HZ CLR 06/03 A3028 RMK AO2 SLP264 T00610028 10078 20022 55012
KYKM 302253Z 10004KT 5SM HZ CLR 07/03 A3028 RMK AO2 SLP262 T00670033
KYKM 302153Z 10006KT 5SM HZ CLR 07/03 A3029 RMK AO2 SLP267 T00720033
KYKM 302053Z 10005KT 5SM HZ CLR 07/03 A3032 RMK AO2 SLP275 T00720033 58022


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3753 times:



Quoting GEG2RAP (Reply 3):
YKM only has QX personal, and by the looks of it both planes are here for the night, now does that work with customs, NW book etc? If they just got buses how does that work with customs??
Pilots have also timed out by now.....good for the yakima hotel business

Well normally, the employees in YKM can't touch the plane if they don't have a customs seal on their ID. I can't imagine CBP has an office anywhere near YKM, but I could be wrong. Sometimes, carriers get someone that is cleared to let the people off (other airline), but even that isn't a possibility in YKM, short of flying/driving in, is it?

On top of that, I doubt there is a loader there, so the people might be at the Holiday Inn, but their bags are spending the night in whatever LD3 they left LHR in...



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

UPDATE:


It looks like a combo of both weather & MTX...

It had a "no land III" msg. on approach, and also has an anti-ice valve problem. The flight itself is cxld... No idea on a return to service....



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

qx ran an extra section to ykm late last night, no idea who was on board...maybe NW personal to assist pax?? (extra section looks to be qx 397)
JB


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3413 times:
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The Seattle area has had two full days of fog, especially higher up. The valleys haven't been too bad.

User currently offlineBayAreaBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3373 times:



Quoting GEG2RAP (Reply 13):
qx ran an extra section to ykm late last night, no idea who was on board...maybe NW personal to assist pax?? (extra section looks to be qx 397)
JB

Flight number looks as though it is actually 2397. The flight is usually scheduled as MSO to SEA. The stop is coded as a diversion to YKM but no reason that I can find. The A/C left YKM for SEA with less people than it arrived with from MSO. Looks like no extra QX sections yesterday, same goes for AS.


User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3321 times:



Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 12):
It had a "no land III" msg. on approach, and also has an anti-ice valve problem. The flight itself is cxld... No idea on a return to service....

Yep, fog was bad. Autoland was required but a NO AUTOLAND ECAM message appeared on final approach.


User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

a330 is still here in ykm a day later, several NWA trucks here working on her
must be something needing some work, what happens to their luggage??


User currently offlineVxg From United States of America, joined May 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

What happened to the passengers then? Are they still held up there? I would hate to fly all the way from LHR (or wherever I was connecting from) to SEA and end up stuck in Yakima for 2 days! So close, but yet so far.....

User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2639 times:



Quoting GEG2RAP (Reply 17):
must be something needing some work,

Anti-Ice valve replacement...

As for the bags? well, if someone at YKM has a loader, then out they come eventually. If not, I guess they figure out a way to jockey the cans around enough to unload them in the belly itself, then out with a belt loader (what a nightmare that'd be!).



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2511 times:



Quoting GEG2RAP (Reply 17):
what happens to their luggage??

The baggage was ferried to SEA later on that day.

Quoting Vxg (Reply 18):
What happened to the passengers then? Are they still held up there?

No. NWA provided bus transport from YKM to SEA and paid $200.00 compensation per pax.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 19):

They also replaced the HPC flow control valve and the DFDR.


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