NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9711 posts, RR: 10 Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 28969 times:
Skyliners is reporting today that Jet Airways, for some time being rumoured of being keen on offloading some of its its Boeing 777-300ERs is selling or leasing 3 Triple Sevens to Turkish Airlines. I cant find it mentioned here on this forum so far so I thought its interesting news that an airline is indeed dumping 773s for the first time.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26970 posts, RR: 83 Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 28769 times:
Are these the three Wiki says they have on order, or are the canceling those and reducing their existing fleet from 10 to 7?
I'm guessing their traffic is either falling or never grew to the level they were planning?
DL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 28724 times:
Why don't they want them anymore? Do they just not need them or were they unhappy with performance
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4114 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 28593 times:
This has been rumored for a while.
If this is true, I wonder where TK will use them, especially during the slow winter season, which will start in January. What will TK do with them till May, June when things gets busier.
This will mean another type for TK on top of;
A310, 319, 320, 321, 330, 340, B 737-400, 737-700, 737-800.
Threepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2094 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 28519 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 5): This will mean another type for TK on top of;
A310, 319, 320, 321, 330, 340, B 737-400, 737-700, 737-800.
Realistically, that's only 5 types you've listed. If TK has plans to eliminate the 310 and older 737, that'd be three types, plus the possibility of the 77W.
The nice thing about a mistake is the pleasure it gives others.
You can make that 4 as the A320 and A330/340 family have similar cross crew qualifications. As you have stated as well the A310 and 734 will eventually be gone too, making the number of types just 3, including the 77W.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4114 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 28217 times:
-The 4th 310F just received by TK. Remaining 3 pax 310s might end up being Fs also. So 310s will be around in F form for few years to come.
-At least 6 x 734s leases just got extended till 2015. TK now has 9 734s flying for its LCC AnadoluJet. Last news 2 SkyEurope and 2 Asterius 737-700s to replace 4 734s
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6226 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 28184 times:
Quoting DL767captain (Reply 4): Why don't they want them anymore? Do they just not need them or were they unhappy with performance
Jet and Kingfisher are FUBARed right now. They're just trying to stay afloat. Kingfisher has been ditching units too (A340-500s, most recently...)
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PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6219 posts, RR: 79 Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 27941 times:
Quoting NA (Thread starter): I cant find it mentioned here on this forum so far so I thought its interesting news that an airline is indeed dumping 773s for the first time.
Jet Airways is in trouble and simply tries to reduce capacity which it increased too fast. The birds will find a new home immediately. We are talking about an airline problem here, not about a problem related to the aircraft.
Now if Air Canada, Air France, Cathay, Emirates, SIA or "dumped" any 77Ws - that would be breaking news.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10898 posts, RR: 100 Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 27918 times:
Quoting DL767captain (Reply 4): Why don't they want them anymore? Do they just not need them or were they unhappy with performance
They cannot fill them. If anything they need to consolidate the routes and drop to A330 service only.
Quoting N328KF (Reply 11): Jet and Kingfisher are FUBARed right now. They're just trying to stay afloat. Kingfisher has been ditching units too (A340-500s, most recently...)
Sadly, world wide demand is plummeting and with the over-expansion of service to India, there is no choice but to cut the offering.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4114 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 27872 times:
Quoting Threepoint (Reply 14):
Quoting AF022 (Reply 13):
Where does TK need such a huge plane?
Ankara - Adana perhaps.
Good one, better yet any one of TKs domestic RTs to German cities.
More seriously, the planned GRU routed could benefit if it can be done nonstop with the 777.
As always JFK could be one option. More likely China frequencies could use this bigger plane since TK can't get more slots.
Also TK always wanted to fly to IAD and YYZ if they can get the rights. ORD could go daily being a Star hub.
Lets see how it goes.
Quoting 777way (Reply 12): Will the 773 come with Jet's F and J cabins?
I was thinking the same. In due time I assume TK will retrofit them with 2 class I guess.
Threepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2094 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 27780 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 18): Also TK always wanted to fly to...YYZ if they can get the rights.
Is there a holdup as far as the rights are concerned? With YYZ being a Star hub and the growing tendency for the Canadian govt to open up our skies, I would think this should be a logical move endorsed by both countries (and the major int'l airlines in each). Let's hope it happens soon.
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TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4114 posts, RR: 13 Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 27083 times:
Quoting Threepoint (Reply 20): Is there a holdup as far as the rights are concerned?
Yes there is. According to info I read here at a.net from member "Laxintl" for years TK wants to fly to YYZ, but Air Canada is against that, since they will loose business to a non-stop. AC is happy with just carrying pax to Star hubs in Europe instead. I think Canadian gov. offers Montreal to TK.
Threepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2094 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 26907 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 23): TK wants to fly to YYZ, but Air Canada is against that, since they will loose business to a non-stop. AC is happy with just carrying pax to Star hubs in Europe instead. I think Canadian gov. offers Montreal to TK.
That's unfortunate. I think AC could definitely benefit if they choose to code-share or alternate service. But AC is not known for its overflow of innovation at times. Knowing our govt, they probably offered Mirabel to TK.
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Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 12 Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 25497 times:
We have discussed TK in Toronto not too long ago. They have a sales office on a prominant and expensive location on University Avenue and the rumours about YYZ have been going around for a while.
26 Deaphen: No i am sorry i have no idea. Infact, if i am not mistaken 1 or 2 have already been sent to TK. Regards Nitin
27 FLYYUL: There is no formal bilareal between Turkey and Canada. Until such time, TK can only fly to Montreal (and they'd probably do well connecting Middle Eas
28 MHTripple7: What routes will 9W's remaining 77W's fly? I'm guessing BOM-LHR and DEL-LHR?
29 HAWK21M: Financial crises......Attempts to reduce spending. regds MEL
30 DocLightning: But the 77W has a range that the A330 can't match. It depends on the normal mission length for these planes. If most of them are flying less than 11
31 B747forever: Well how about a a non stop service to LAX from IST with these 77Ws But seriously, it will be very nice to see the 77W in TKs colors
32 Stitch: While it is true a 77W at maximum structural payload will fly over 1000nm farther then an A330-200, the A332's 4300nm range at MSP still puts Europe,
33 Threepoint: Nowhere useful in Asia, precious little of Africa and certainly not the Middle East according to GSM. Is your 4300 NM figure correct?
34 Lightsaber: But for India to BRU... they work well. Per Wikipedia, all of 9W's A330's are A332s. I didn't realize they had 10 77W's! Plus eleven A332's. Wow! Now
35 LAXintl: Yes there is - circa 1950s and designates Montreal as the service point. A new bilateral has been mired various politics between the countries despit
36 Willyj: Any idea of which 77W routes will be cut? Or where the remaining aircraft will fly??
37 15A: From what is coming out through the press, India-LHR will remain 77W (2 daily Bom-LHR and 1 daily Del-LHR) - so obviously good F and Y demand there (J
38 Threepoint: I had to look at your profile to ascertain how anybody in southern California knows about Canada's Armenian Genocide bill. I'm guessing your occupati
39 Behramjee: 2 A 332s freed up from BLR-BRU and ATQ-LHR cancellations are being used for BOM-BRU-EWR flights from Jan 21st 2009 onwards. IMO, none of 9W's B 77Ws
40 Jacobin777: I agree with you on it, but they probably spent a fortune on advertising F-Class with Shah Rukh Khan..
41 Gemuser: In this case MSP=Max Structual Payload, NOT Minneapolis/St Paul Stitch was refering to places TK could reach from IST. Gemuser
42 Cricket: 9W is leasing out three 77W's and that has been known for a while out here - 9W is talking of a two year lease out while they consolidate their domest
43 UK_Dispatcher: One of the 9W B773's may be operating an extra daily flight for Etihad for a few days when BKK reopens, in order to help move stranded EY pax out of T
44 Bennett123: Threepoint I think that you need to re draw your diagram. According to you TK can not reach IST
45 TKfan: That was the same I was thinking of when I heard this rumor some weeks ago. Turkish Airlines used to have F/C at the end of the 80ies/beginning 90ies
46 Flying Belgian: Does 9W get rid of ALL its 777s ?? But even if so, not a big surprise. 9W is ending the BRU-77W story from jan 20th. The F-class lounge will also clos
47 Keesje: A330-200 according to a.net : Range with max passengers and reserves at 230t MTOW 11,850km (6400nm) (6400nm from Mumbai).
48 Stitch: It is when you use India and not the United States as the starting point, since they are an Indian airline.
49 AF022: I didn't know TK was filling so many seats! A 77W to Chicago or New York? Filled? Wow. I didn't know there was nearly this much traffic.
50 Gr8Circle: That office has been there for quite some time....I first saw it back in 2005....
51 Minister: The big problem with 9W is that it is losing about Rs. 2 Cores a day just on 3 Flights to LHR. This is primarily because over the passed few years the
53 TK787: Are you sure that 8 F seats add 7tons to the weight? That is almost a ton to a seat, some seat! By the way on "Turkish Aviation Thread", a.net member
54 LAXintl: And one step closer to you screen name
55 TK787: Well you said it before few times, I have the user name for 3 years. Many Turkish a.netters thought 777/787/737 combo is the way to go for TK. We'll
56 Karan69: Mentioned in reply 8 and 14 in the thread http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/4218464 Karan
57 Flying Belgian: Sounds strange to me since most of the 777 pilots of Indian carriers are expatriates, mostly Americans and Canadians.
58 Threepoint: I was a tad confused as I wondered why you were referring to MSP. Perhaps I had just jumped over from the DL/NW thread and was thinking of Minneapoli
59 Stitch: They are fully-enclosed suites so when you add in the walls and everything else, they might get close to that (though I do agree it seems high). My b
60 Viscount724: That old bilateral is probably no longer valid. The Canadian government website listing countries with bilateral air agreements does not include any
61 Threepoint: And I should have recognized that a conversation including Minnesota in a Jet Airways thread was out of place and caught my own error. Cheers.
62 TKfan: In summer, the planes to JFK and ORD are almost full weeks before. JFK gets an additional flight on Saturday, and ORD 5 flights a week iso 3/w. Howev
63 Minister: This is what some pilots were telling me. But i have my thoughts about it cause 1 ton per seat is a bit too much. Anyways they are the heaviest seats
64 777way: Wish you had done a trip report Prajay.
65 LAXintl: I have a copy if you are in doubt and its part of a broader bilateral Canada-Turkey trade and tariff deal which followed Turkey's entry into NATO. Wh
66 Jfk777: Jet's 777 are among the most beautiful in the world. they make Air India's 77W look rather bad, JET could lease them to Air India or a an airline nee
67 NA: Actually I think Air Indias livery is nicer, more special, its colours more vibrant. The Jet livery looks fine on the 77W, but otherwise its not a ve
68 Gr8Circle: I think both look good in their own way It looks good on the 777 and A330....but on the 737's and ATR's, looks quite ordinary....
69 Sankaps: Now I'm really curious... from where does one produce these range maps?
70 LeftWing: ..its easier to do business with aliens rather than Air India...9W wanted a qucik deal Turkish gave it to them...
71 Gemuser: http://gc.kls2.com/ Enjoy! An amazing resource for the aviation buff. Gemuser
72 CX flyboy: A headline on Skyliner says that TK will take six 77Ws from Jet and Gulf Air will take four...thats 10 and they only operate 10.....so they are leasin
73 CHRISBA777ER: Putting my sad spotter hat on - anyone inordinately happy at the prospect of seeing a 77W in GF livery? She'll be an absolute stunner. I'm officially
74 NA: The unusual Gulf Air livery will surely fit the 77W, as it will mask the odd proportions of this loooong aircraft. I expect it to be the best-looking
75 PP705: I only wish that things will start looking up for 9W soon. They have a very good product which can give the foreign airlines a run for thier money on
76 TKfan: Turkish Airlines will just wet/dry-lease 3 9W for 2.5 years. the other 3 are not delivered yet. I think 9W will keep at least 3 B777 for their BOM-LH
77 FlyDreamliner: Well, with the Star Alliance feed, connecting traffic, and O/D, they could do it, I'm sure. NY, Chicago, and Istanbul are all amongst the world's lar
78 PP705: Agree with you on the unreasonable growth but I think their route plans were not over ambitious except for the BOM-PVG-SFO. They could have operated
79 PP705: 9W 777 First Class - Best in the World? http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/jet-...ss-service-in-the-world-award-4350
80 Stitch: Haven't tried it yet, but their hard product looks good from the pictures. And service is more then just the suite, of course, so even if SQ's Suites
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