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User currently offlineChiefskysurfer From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 12 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

As a kid originally from Hawaii but raised on the Mainland, I have always been fascinated about these two start-up carriers from the 80's.

Does anyone have any info on them (fleet size, destinations, crew, frequencies, employee stories, etc)? I know that they only lasted for a few years each and that they had limited financial backing and were more like a skybus type of service.

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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4025 times:
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Air Hawaii had a couple of DC-10-10's that World Airways (when they were based at OAK) provided maintenance. I think they were primarily out of LAX and SFO.

The Hawaii Express once had DC-10-10's then moved to 747-100/200's before dying off.
They were also out of LAX.

That's all I know about them.


User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Hawaii

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hawaii_Express

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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3880 times:
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Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 2):
Wiki is your friend...

But not always accurate.


User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3555 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
The Hawaii Express once had DC-10-10's then moved to 747-100/200's before dying off.

Actually The Hawaii Express started with one B747-100 and switched to the DC10s.
I was actually supposed to be on one of the first flights from LAX to HNL, but their
startup was delayed, so I flew on a Pacific East Air DC8 instead.
One interesting note, both DC10s N904WA and N905WA were both operated by
The Hawaii Express and Air Hawaii. Air Hawaii only operated for 3 months, THE lasted
about a year if I recall.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3450 times:
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Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 4):
Actually The Hawaii Express started with one B747-100 and switched to the DC10s.
I was actually supposed to be on one of the first flights from LAX to HNL, but their
startup was delayed, so I flew on a Pacific East Air DC8 instead.
One interesting note, both DC10s N904WA and N905WA were both operated by
The Hawaii Express and Air Hawaii. Air Hawaii only operated for 3 months, THE lasted
about a year if I recall.

Interesting facts. These two airlines were a little before my time.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25390 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

I remember Hawaii Express callsign was funny to hear "Pineapple".

I did enjoying seeing their colorful 747 and later DC-10 at LAX.

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Its interesting to note that both Hawaii Express and Air Hawaii were the creations of the same man Michael Hartley who later gained business fame in starting the online travel portal CheapTickets which since has become Orbitz.

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Speaking of such one-off Mainland-Hawaii operators, there also was Pacific East Air with their DC-8s around the same time.

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User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

From the excellent book "Deregulation Knockouts: Round One"

"Hard on the heels of Pacific East Air, Michael Hartley's The Hawaii Express (IATA code LP) began Los Angeles-Honolulu flighs for just $89.95 on August 20, 1982, using a 501-seat Boeing 747. After the established carriers matched its fare, the airline's dwindling loads could not support the 747, and it switched to a DC-10. The company suspended flights on December 20, 1983, and files for bankruptcy the following day."

"Air Hawaii (IATA coda XK) was formed by Michael Hartley, who had started The Hawaii Expres, to offer low-fare service between the West Coast and Hawaii, and eventually to Japan. The company secured the dormant certificate of Air West International, but Hartley resigned before service began on November 22, 1985. The $298 roundtrip fare between Los Angeles and Honolulu on DC-10s included a PSA connection on the mainland and a Mid Pacific connection in Hawaii. Service, advertised as 'High Class, Low Fares," was added from San Francisco in December. The Hawaiian-owned airline ran immediately into financial difficulty and shut down on February 19, 1986. After filing for bankruptcy in March it was acquired by Raymond Gray, who had interests in Air One and Pride Air, but flights never resumed."


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Hawaii Express was also David Neeleman's first experience with the airline business. In college, Neeleman owned a travel agency which bought blocks of seats from Hawaiian Express. When they went bankrupt, so did Neeleman's travel agency. More details are in the biography "Flying High". Morris Air would be Neeleman's next challenge.


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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

I have a flying partner who worked for Express from day 1 to the end. His stories are pretty amusing as it was a stereotypical 'fly by night' operation. I recall he said that their per diem was like PeoplExpress...they just divided up the money from inflight sales. The 'policy and proceedure" was make it up as you go along and use common sense. He went on to be one of the original America West folks where he was a flight attendant on Sunday, a ramper on Monday and a CSA on Tuesday.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3002 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Its interesting to note that both Hawaii Express and Air Hawaii were the creations of the same man Michael Hartley who later gained business fame in starting the online travel portal CheapTickets which since has become Orbitz.

Third times a charm, eh? Is he still at Orbitz or has he moved on?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Speaking of such one-off Mainland-Hawaii operators, there also was Pacific East Air with their DC-8s around the same time.

Pacific East Air was created by a couple of ex Western executives to bring down the prices on mainland-Hawaii flights.

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 9):
He went on to be one of the original America West folks where he was a flight attendant on Sunday, a ramper on Monday and a CSA on Tuesday.

I cant imagine that level of cross-training, must have been intense!



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