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User currently offlineCtang From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10932 times:

How is TG coping with the current situation in BKK? How is it operating flights from the military base? Does it have gates?

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User currently offlineSpinner145 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2008, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10888 times:

From what I understand nobody is really "operating flights from the military base." The airlines and their passengers are trying desparately to get the people and machinery currently stranded at BKK out of the country as quickly and safely as possible. The military airport has a tiny terminal only designed to handle approximately 400 passengers, and the operations have from accounts I have read been fairly chaotic. The order of the day seems simply to be 'get out any way you can.'

My Christmas vacation to Phuket (transitting through BKK) is looking more doubtful by the day.  cry 


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10814 times:

One uneducated guess would be the entire operations of TG is in shambles as it has been built around Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueng. They have missed the Xmas tourists, the already depressed global economy is not helping and won't make things better for recovery, and not to mention the millions lost everyday from the idle planes sitting out on the tarmac!

UTP is presently only being utilised to concentrate on getting people out of the country and this alone see them bursting at their seams, you think they have spare capacity to handle TG's day to day operations?

While the protesters have had their field day in making themselves heard this past week, they might have just dug a grave for the entire country because the effects of their actions far outweigh the political crisis at present. Presuming the airport will be released back to the authorities at the end of this week, the whole place would have to be "prepared" all over again since the sterile areas were breached and that systems would have to be tested again for qualified usage.

This would take more or less a week or more and what do you know, it is already xmas and by then, people would have made alternate plans to travel elsewhere.



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10752 times:

All I hope is Isaan Air comes into play soon. I am rooting for them.


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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10671 times:

I fear for Thailand's tourist industry not only in the short term, but also the long term. Alot of my friends are reconsidering traveling to Bangkok and Phuket as far as 3 years down the track, and the political crisis seems to be turning everyone off - including myself.

Best wishes for Thai Airways & Thailand. Hopefully we'll see Suvarnabhumi in operation by the end of the month.


User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10648 times:

Even with many airlines evacuating out of HKT and UTP, as of this morning, it is estimated there are 240,000 people still in the country with their 30-day visas about to expire.

U-tapao is totally saturated, and if trying for a flight out of there you must check in at a temporary check-in facility in Bang Na -7- hours before departure time, be bussed the 180km to UTP, and then find your departure is probably delayed by hours.

Anyone in BKK, Pattaya or other northern areas, getting to Phuket is iffy at best. Buses are full, very long trip if you get on one.

This morning it was announced PAD is moving their protesters from Government House at night due to recent gun/grenade attacks on them, and moving them to the more secure airport demonstrations for their safety.

IMHO, this is not ending any time soon!

[Edited 2008-12-01 21:03:42]


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User currently offlineJc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10619 times:

Not that it makes a difference, but, does the USAF, or any military, still maintain a presence at U-tapoa?

Jack



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User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10534 times:

It is the home of the Royal Thai Navy First Air Wing.

USAF pulled out in mid-70's, but often at the field during the annual Operation Cobra exercises, and most recently they used it as a C-130 staging area for the Myanmar relief effort.



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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10476 times:

UTP built by the USAF in the 60's has a very small "MAC/AMC" style terminal, that was barely ok back then..the Royal Thai Navy base is much as it was when the US left ofter 1975, I went out once to see the russian chartered IL-62's.. I saw a former USAF Ford LTD that looked like it parked in 1976 and never moved since.....the runways are fine built for B-52's but there is no way UTP can serve as a modern airport..in 2009

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10425 times:



Quoting Ben175 (Reply 4):
I fear for Thailand's tourist industry not only in the short term, but also the long term. Alot of my friends are reconsidering traveling to Bangkok and Phuket as far as 3 years down the track, and the political crisis seems to be turning everyone off - including myself.

I don;t believe this...

this is what people in Australia said about Bali, but 3-4 years on, numbers are back to record highs.
Granted, the numbers have soften recently but I don't think it's a long term impact.

Quoting Utapao (Reply 5):
U-tapao is totally saturated, and if trying for a flight out of there you must check in at a temporary check-in facility in Bang Na -7- hours before departure time, be bussed the 180km to UTP, and then find your departure is probably delayed by hours.

Under the above scenario, wouldn't it be best for all pax to be screened and cleared prior to getting on the bus, and then being dropped off next to the aircraft ready to board? ie fully security screened?
this would eliminate the need for terminal capacity at UTP..


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10330 times:

The Bali airport was not closed....

Every developing country (3rd word) has its problems but when you shut down the airport..

Its a lot different...Many are missing their Jobs back home and wont forget soon...

it will take many many years for people to forget this...


User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10221 times:

In addition to tourism Thailand's export will be severely affected if this continues longer.

In Munich I can't get fresh ingredients for my thai cooking any more. Not that my cooking was relevant, but the fruits and vegetables not being shipped cause economical damage, same for cameras and phones manufactured in Thailand and not being shipped.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10191 times:



Quoting Ben175 (Reply 4):
I fear for Thailand's tourist industry not only in the short term, but also the long term. Alot of my friends are reconsidering traveling to Bangkok and Phuket as far as 3 years down the track, and the political crisis seems to be turning everyone off - including myself.



Quoting COSPN (Reply 10):
The Bali airport was not closed....

Every developing country (3rd word) has its problems but when you shut down the airport..

Its a lot different...Many are missing their Jobs back home and wont forget soon...

So you are trying to tell me that you think a relatively peaceful protest that has closed an airport down for a week will have greater repurcussions that the 200 lives lost in Bali in 2002??

I'm sorry, but i find it hard to believe that:
* you think an airport closure has more impact in the long run than a terrorist attack
* that you would cancel travel plans 3 years out based on an airport closure that could be over within 2-3 weeks


User currently offlineSpinner145 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2008, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9951 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 12):
So you are trying to tell me that you think a relatively peaceful protest that has closed an airport down for a week will have greater repurcussions that the 200 lives lost in Bali in 2002??

I'm sorry, but i find it hard to believe that:
* you think an airport closure has more impact in the long run than a terrorist attack
* that you would cancel travel plans 3 years out based on an airport closure that could be over within 2-3 weeks

I actually think that the Thai protests may have a bigger impact for the following reasons:

~Their duration means that they are affecting a massive number of people. A report I saw today estimated that over 100,000 tourists are stranded in Thailand and that over 350,000 people's travel plans have been affected in some way. The longer this goes on, the more those numbers will grow. In contrast, for the vast majority of the people in Bali at that time, the bombing, while terrifying, didn't cause problems on nearly the scale of those being endured by the tourists now trapped in Bangkok.

~Thailand is developing a reputation as an unstable state. The Bali bombing were truly shocking, but a few years on with no additional instances make it look like an isolated incident. Thailand, on the other hand, has been becoming steadily less stable. Up till now tourists have been able to ignore it, but now it is affecting them as well, and in the future people will be nervous about making plans to Thailand every time they hear one of the frequent reports about instability there.

~Finally, Thailand has developed its reputation as a tourist center largely based on the hospitality of its people. This event is certainly going to tarnish that reputation as people see the protestors make these tourists hostages in their dispute. This is the action of a huge number of Thais, and will hurt the reputation of its people whereas the Bali bombers were just a handful of deranged individuals.

Just my  twocents  . In any case hope it's resolved soon for the sake of the Thai people, the people stranded there and my Christmas plans.


User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

As mentioned in other posting on the Thailand issue, BKK has announced PAD has agreed to allow incoming flights within 24 hours. Would assume these are the 88 flights sent to regionals as airlines will need to ramp up, the terminal searched/cleaned, etc. But if it is true, this is a good first step.

Suvarnabhumi to welcome incoming flights



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User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9863 times:



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 2):
One uneducated guess would be the entire operations of TG is in shambles as it has been built around Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueng. They have missed the Xmas tourists, the already depressed global economy is not helping and won't make things better for recovery, and not to mention the millions lost everyday from the idle planes sitting out on the tarmac!

I think that's an educated guess. Depending on how long the sit-in goes on, this could potentially be a nail in the coffin for TG. The airline is already struggling under these challenging economic conditions, and this situation means that it has aircraft sitting idle in BKK unable to generate revenue for the airline. What about those aircrafts that are stuck overseas accumulating airport charges?

Many people, especially Asians will be wary about going to Thailand probably in the next few months. However, rest assured that once airfares and hotel rates in Thailand start going downhill, Singaporeans will find it too difficult to resist the temptation and start heading that way.



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9813 times:



Quoting SQ772 (Reply 15):
I think that's an educated guess. Depending on how long the sit-in goes on, this could potentially be a nail in the coffin for TG. The airline is already struggling under these challenging economic conditions, and this situation means that it has aircraft sitting idle in BKK unable to generate revenue for the airline. What about those aircrafts that are stuck overseas accumulating airport charges?

Isn't TG run by the state? If so, I would think the government would push the company along indefinitely, no matter how bad the losses.

Long-term things will surely return to "normal" (despite how bad "normal" is for TG), but near term they must be losing insane amounts of money.


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6878 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9813 times:

Effects of Bali bombs vs Thailand political crisis

Bali: it was a huge shock! Short term exodus, but after a while, people went back. The loss of foreign tourists were quickly filled by domestic tourists in the short term. Access into and out of Bali was not affected after the first few days. Land/Sea transport was available to go to Surabaya (mainly taken by domestic tourists), and Bali's lesser touristy neighbour, Lombok, was still open for business. Airlines can cope with the exodus by mounting extra flights, and by the end of the second week, domestic traffic levels came back to normal levels, busily shunting people back and forth.

Now, the effect of blocking BKK is like the effect to the UK of LHR being shut down... or if Jakarta Airport was shut for a week...

In fact, Jakarta Airport had effectively shut down once in a while due to floods between the city and the airport. That caused more of a mess towards the country's business and tourism, even if the flood only caused 3 days of reduced operations, than the Bali bombing 1 & 2 put together.

Thailand: Yes, about 100,000 stranded with 350k up to 500k pax plans affected. This severely dented the tourism AND the economy. Again, it's less shocking than 200 people dead in the Bali bombing, but it caused huge problems for a heck of a lot more people than what the Bali Bombs 1 & 2 did.

I would not go as far as saying Thailand is developing a reputation as an unstable state. Tourism in Thailand is like tourism in Cuba. The government may be dictatorial, or corrupt, or whatever else is alleged, but people still wanted to visit the country. But yes, the recent developments mean that future government now knows that peeving off its people can result in the country's transportation being brought to its knees. It's not just tourism, but it's the whole economy. The effects of the closure of BKK is more severe to the economy with no cargo flights going in and out... that's why that has been allowed to operate since today. The protesters want to oust the government, OK, perhaps bring the tourism industry to its knees to raise awareness of what they don't like about the government, but, no cargo flights mean they're grinding the economy to a slow slow pace.

How this crisis affects Thailand's tourism really depend on how the transportation sector can go back to normality and how quickly and how smoothly. What has been good for the PAD is the fact that the Airport although occupied, remains untouched. No looting of abandoned shops, and the tourists stranded were given food and supplies until they can be evacuated. It's ironic when we compare it to many other demonstrations around the world, and even when we compare it to the demonstrations in Bangkok... where violence erupted. At BKK airport? The occupied the airport and looked after it and the stranded tourists... This if played correctly, CAN FURTHER INCREASE the reputation of Thailand as a land of hospitable people!

Mandala499



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

The protesters are finally leaving BKK.
Flights to resume hopefully within 24 hours.
Already talk about cargo flight to operate tuesday night.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...fp_asiapacific/view/393689/1/.html

Quoting SQ772 (Reply 15):
Singaporeans will find it too difficult to resist the temptation and start heading that way.

I would guess that Singaporeans are even more scared than ever to go abroad after what happened in Thailand and Mumbai.



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User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1069 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9756 times:

Not eveyrone so sure it will open so quickly, this article suggests 15th Dec
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSBKK40849920081202



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User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9714 times:

Mandala499 - it is refreshing to see that some have a grasp on the impact of "the closing of BKK and DMK" vs the impact to Thailand overall.

These airport closings certainly do not compare to the carnage of the Bali bombings, and should not be compared. That was an act of terrorism, it happened and tragically lives were lost, then the country recovered and moved on.

The situation in Thailand as far as impact to future tourism is NOT just the closing of the airports this past week, and that is where we are missing the point. Living here and the US, I can assure others there are HUGE negative stories over the last few years that have already had a huge negative impact: Tsunami, Military coup - ousting of PM, Myanmar disaster, Hat Yai bombings, the grenades/rifle shots at Government House/DMK/BKK, etc.

Thailand has suffered dramatically over the last five years, and the closing of the airports is just another bump in the road. What the world will see, now with news and information available at fingertips, is YET ANOTHER problem with Thailand.

Should the ongoing political coup (more than most countries), the "internal terrorist attacks", etc., suddenly vanish, then the world will indeed forget the past and return to the Land of Smiles. If things do not improve, THEN we will continue to see declining economy, declining tourists, and increased crime due to the estimated loss of >1M jobs next year due to lack of tourism.

Closing of airports in 2008 does NOT equate to Bali bombings. The issue in Thailand is MUCH more complex, and long-lasting.



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User currently offlineSpinner145 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2008, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9690 times:



Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 17):
How this crisis affects Thailand's tourism really depend on how the transportation sector can go back to normality and how quickly and how smoothly. What has been good for the PAD is the fact that the Airport although occupied, remains untouched. No looting of abandoned shops, and the tourists stranded were given food and supplies until they can be evacuated. It's ironic when we compare it to many other demonstrations around the world, and even when we compare it to the demonstrations in Bangkok... where violence erupted. At BKK airport? The occupied the airport and looked after it and the stranded tourists... This if played correctly, CAN FURTHER INCREASE the reputation of Thailand as a land of hospitable people!

Dunno, that seems a bit optimistic to me. The fact remains that the PAD protestors, although well behaved and non-violent, by occuppying the airport were holding hostage hundreds of thousands of tourists and were spoiling the vacations of hundreds of thousands more. I think that a lot of people who got stuck for extended periods in Thailand or who had to cancel their holiday plans are going to be creating a bad buzz about Thailand for a time to come.

In past political imbroglios, the tourists remained serenely unaffected and this went a long way to enhancing Thailand's reputation as a safe and hostpitable vacation spot. Dragging them in as political bargaining chips like the DAP has done here will not enhance that reputation, and tourists will in the future think twice about heading to Thailand when they hear reports of problems there.


User currently offlineVHHYI From Australia, joined Oct 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9643 times:

There is always the horses mouth.. Situation report on Thai Airways website


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4921 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9622 times:



Quoting SQ772 (Reply 15):
The airline is already struggling under these challenging economic conditions, and this situation means that it has aircraft sitting idle in BKK unable to generate revenue for the airline. What about those aircrafts that are stuck overseas accumulating airport charges?

I'm sure these fee's would be waved by the airport authorities based on the circumstances...?
I feel sorry for the country... The protesters are hurting their own economy during a world recession...  Sad

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User currently offlineSRMD11 From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8070 times:



Quoting Utapao (Reply 20):
Should the ongoing political coup (more than most countries), the "internal terrorist attacks", etc., suddenly vanish, then the world will indeed forget the past and return to the Land of Smiles.

No way!
1st because the situation still insn't improved.
2nd because the Thai Military doesn't like to guarantee the safe operation of airports in BKK! (Not long as the Generals won't get back political power and stronger influence).
3rd because some hundred thousend tourists will not forgett that they have been forced to stay in the country like hostages...

Quoting Utapao (Reply 20):
Closing of airports in 2008 does NOT equate to Bali bombings.

I agree! The situation in Thailand can become much more dangerous!!! Keep in mind that at least more than 5000 Thai-pilgrims from the unrest south provinces of the country have been inhibited doing the Hadij to Saudi Arabia... Some of them are very displeased...

It's very sad to see how one of the most sympathic country in the world is exercising in self destruction... espeacially the aviation industrie. Let's hope for better days!


25 Pawsleykat : This is dragging on longer than I expected. Hopefully it can be resolved soon What will happen if these people's visas do expire and they're still stu
26 AF022 : Is TG still trying to dump their A340-500s? The situation must be just terrible for them - huge costs to operate a fleet that is sitting for the most
27 Qantasistheway : So would HKT still be a safe destination? I am travelling there around 16th of December with my family. Does anybody know of the situation there?
28 Rdwootty : Just another point regarding the flights. I had a client in Phuket and he was able to get a flight today to Frankfurt, as there were no flights to the
29 B707forever : Perhaps the silver lining is that it's a great time to do a deep clean on the aircraft that are grounded so that when things are ready to go in the ne
30 Asiaflyer : HKT airport is probably crowded and messy now as it has become a sub BKK airport. As soon as the situation goes back to normal in BKK, HKT should be
31 Ryanair!!! : With regards to Phuket, who knows? After all the protesters DID storm into Phuket International Airport a few months back but not on the scale of Suva
32 Olympic472 : It is opened to cargo and limited passenger ops. The first flight was a TG arrival. It shuttled passengers from Phuket back to BKK. Full ops within th
33 Qantasistheway : Yeah thanks that would be great! Just PM me if you find out.
34 6thfreedom : I am looking at the situation from an international tourist perspective. Bali and Thailand are both tourist destination, and I think that by April 20
35 FreequentFlier : A good and largely accurate description I fear. Thais in the US are some of the friendliest people I've ever met, so it is unfortunate that the actio
36 MillwallSean : Thailand's tourist industry will weather this storm just like they have done so many times before. Thailand's biggest issue wont be to persuade Europe
37 6thfreedom : Australians and New Zealanders are some of the most resilient travellers out there... if anything, i think many australians that had planned to go to
38 Elephantboy : BKK and DMK will be in full operation from Fri 5 th December.
39 Kevin : According to some sources there are a lot of reductions to Thai Airways' international services and foreign carriers are reducing frequencies to Bangk
40 DJ748 : When the airport was closed, I understand (through a friend of a friend - this person works at TG), that it was costing the airline $20 million per da
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