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NW Metal To DL Metal Out Of ATL  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6551 posts, RR: 51
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10774 times:

It seems that DL metal is replacing NW metal on inter-hub flights between ATL and MEM/MSP.
ATL-DTW is still a good mix between DL/NW.

Looking at the random date of January 19th, here's what I found:

ATL-MEM: 9 flights (all DL, mostly M88/CR9/E70)
ATL-MSP: 12 flights (2 NWA flights on 320 and 757; The rest DL, including several DL 757's)

It seems that capacity to MEM will be basically the same, maybe a slight increase in seats with the introduction of a couple of M88 upgrades...but certainly nothing to write home about. ATL-MSP, however, will be a seeing fair capacity increase, with the introduction of several 757 upgrades.

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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6551 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10671 times:

For some reason the "edit" function isn't working for me today, so I'll just mention it here.

Taking into consideration the current NW schedule between MEM/MSP-ATL, which has three flights MEM-ATL (going to 0) and five flights MSP-ATL (going to 2), both markets will probably see a net decrease in total seats, although not by a huge margin.

I suppose the term "right sizing" comes into play here.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22830 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10337 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
I suppose the term "right sizing" comes into play here.

 checkmark It may also be that they need relatively more lift to outstations at NW hubs than at DL hubs. If they need a narrowbody for another MSP-GRR flight, for instance, taking it off of ATL-MSP and adding a DL flight ATL-MSP may be easier than routing a DL bird ATL-GRR-MSP-GRR-ATL.



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User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10316 times:

I saw a post not long ago about how Delta has increased flights, MEM-ATL. Not sure when the new schedule begins but DL does show an increase from 9(I believe) to 12. But that takes into account NWs 3. So, really, no increase at all.

Will hub-hub see DL metal first?


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7536 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9907 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
ATL-MEM: 9 flights (all DL, mostly M88/CR9/E70)
ATL-MSP: 12 flights (2 NWA flights on 320 and 757; The rest DL, including several DL 757's)

Flights revert back to normal for later spring/summer, as of now.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3471 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9764 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
Flights revert back to normal for later spring/summer, as of now.

DL's schedules for January are still changing. The schedules for spring/summer are far from being finalized.

Jeremy


User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 926 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9212 times:

What will NWA do with their three gates in ATL on the D Concourse? Will DL takes these over or will they revert back to ATL airport for Common Use and the NW flights operate out of the other hundreds of DL gates?


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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8870 times:



Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 6):
What will NWA do with their three gates in ATL on the D Concourse?

WN will get them  Wink


User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2225 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8711 times:
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With yesterdays announcement of increased cuts I'd imagine late spring schedules are far from complete. Some lift could be further cut by elimination of one or two "link" carriers that DL has warned about.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7536 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7805 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 5):
DL's schedules for January are still changing. The schedules for spring/summer are far from being finalized.

Thats why I said "As of now"

Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 6):
What will NWA do with their three gates in ATL on the D Concourse? Will DL takes these over or will they revert back to ATL airport for Common Use and the NW flights operate out of the other hundreds of DL gates?

They will likely go to Delta, one of them a while back had already done so (atleast one of NW's gate's became a Delta gate last February)



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User currently offlineLike2flyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7567 times:

I think another reason for the increase in flying between ATL and MSP is because of the large number of commuters flying between the two cities as the integration of the carrier continues. It will take some time for those affected by office relocations to find housing. Also, many workers have stated they are NOT moving and plan to commute indefinately. Keeping seats available for employees is a wise move in this "special" case, as many of these employees work in "key" areas of the airline. (For example, there are almost 200 Northwest flight dispatchers being transferred to Atlanta... and that's just one of the groups.) If a majority of these employees are commuting, or at least commuting until they find a place to live, the operation could be negatively affected if these employees are not able to show up for work due to limited availablity of seats.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22830 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7028 times:



Quoting Like2flyguy (Reply 10):
If a majority of these employees are commuting, or at least commuting until they find a place to live, the operation could be negatively affected if these employees are not able to show up for work due to limited availablity of seats.

 checkmark IIRC after becoming Independence, DH had some ORD-IAD flights that didn't connect very well with anything for just this reason. I remember a Friday evening flight (last flight out) IAD-ORD that had something like 15 revenue passengers and 30 commuters.



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User currently offlineFlyABR From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6247 times:

i kinda wonder if the merger will result in more domestic widebody flights out of MSP...kinda like how NWA used to fly DC10s to PHX and LAS, as well as other west coast cities. Maybe we'll see some 767s doing these routes again once the economy picks back up...?

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9308 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5964 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 5):
DL's schedules for January are still changing. The schedules for spring/summer are far from being finalized.

anything past January is a dummy schedule

Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 6):

What will NWA do with their three gates in ATL on the D Concourse? Will DL takes these over or will they revert back to ATL airport for Common Use and the NW flights operate out of the other hundreds of DL gates?

DL will keep them unless the airport makes them give them up.

Quoting FlyABR (Reply 12):
i kinda wonder if the merger will result in more domestic widebody flights out of MSP...kinda like how NWA used to fly DC10s to PHX and LAS, as well as other west coast cities. Maybe we'll see some 767s doing these routes again once the economy picks back up...?

why? They have the 753 which seats almost the same (if not the same) as a 763.



yep.
User currently offlineFlyABR From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5431 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 13):
why? They have the 753 which seats almost the same (if not the same) as a 763.

delta website lists domestic 763s at 262 seats vs 224 for the 753. anyway, it was just a thought. maybe they won't need additional capacity to PHX or LAS outta MSP, especially once WN offers directs to those locations ... Big grin


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22830 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5106 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 13):
DL will keep them unless the airport makes them give them up.

Why would the airport make them relinquish them? I'm sure DL is far above any utilization requirement that the leases might have.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9308 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5090 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
Why would the airport make them relinquish them? I'm sure DL is far above any utilization requirement that the leases might have.

not sure......but that'd be the only thing that will stop them from keeping them.



yep.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22830 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4894 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 16):
not sure......

I can't think of a reason, so I think it's a pretty safe bet that they'll keep them.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3808 times:

I know in DTW DL has change their equipment. We now have the MD-90/B757/E175/MD-88 and they are going to add a third flight to SLC sometime next year. I have not seen a B757 on DL metal in years in DTW.

User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3518 times:



Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 18):
I have not seen a B757 on DL metal in years in DTW.

Remember the good ole days when DL used to fly 763s between DTW - ATL and DTW-CVG


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