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Allegiant Reveals New Destination - PGD To GSP/TYS  
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

Allegiant is supposed to be announcing this morning that it will begin operating from Charlotte County/Punta Gorda PGD.

The first routes announced out of PGD are to Greenville/Spartanburg and Knoxville

Allegiant joins Direct Air which also is flying out of PGD.


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

The press release just popped up.

Flights start March 5.

http://www.allegiantair.com/aaNews/aaNews20081202c.php



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6351 times:

I wonder if this is only the start of things to come, and if they will add FWA-PGD?


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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6340 times:

FATFlyer...just posing a question, not necessarily what I think, but do you think Allegiant would be open to a partnership with DirectAir? I would much rather see Allegiant M80s then USA Jet DC9s flying for them. But say both market the flights? I just find it ironic they are going to PGD also after DirectAir has started flying there.

User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2058 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6325 times:

IS this going to be new focus city or just a winter run?


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9507 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6208 times:



Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 4):

Little late for a winter run.



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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2503 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6178 times:

I wish Allegiant would start GRR-PGD instead of PIE. Much closer to Naples. Many people vacation in SW Florida from W. Michigan. Beggars can't be choosers I guess....


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

I'm not sure yet how big they will grow PGD for the first year.

There are 6 aircraft entering the fleet in the next 9 months or so plus the utilization of the existing aircraft has been a little lower lately. So we will be seeing some new small cities added plus some new routes.



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User currently offlineDelta767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

Interesting to see one of Skybus' second-tier airports opened up for substantial commercial service again. I wonder if they will add GSO-PGD since that seemed to do well for Skybus.

User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6057 times:

So will St. Augustine be another option for them?

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6012 times:



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 9):
So will St. Augustine be another option for them?

I don't think so.

Check out page 45 in this presentation. It shows the destinations they are considering for the future. Southwest Florida was on this map, but not St. Augustine.

In terms of the other future destinations shown, that map is a wish list for the coming years. We will have to wait to see which ones they add when.
http://files.shareholder.com/downloa...59%2D08%2D71682/1362468/filing.pdf



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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3309 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5984 times:
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Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 3):
do you think Allegiant would be open to a partnership with DirectAir? I would much rather see Allegiant M80s then USA Jet DC9s flying for them.

This would be interesting, especially since DirectAir just began service in ABE, where Allegiant has been flying for a while. Last week DirectAir began flights to Punta Gorda/Fort Myers, but flights will eventually start to Myrtle Beach as well. Allegiant currently has flights to Orlando-Sanford, and St. Petersburg-Clearwater. The Fort Lauderdale flight was recently ended.

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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5832 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7):
So we will be seeing some new small cities added plus some new routes.

What is G4's history of discontinuing service at one regional airport, and after some period of absence, initiate service from an airport in the same catchment area. For example, they are closing GPT as a station after New Years. What are the odds that they would evaluate MOB, given their lack of success at GPT? (Note: I do not mean a blatant transfer of service like LAN to GRR, etc.)


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5773 times:



Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 6):
wish Allegiant would start GRR-PGD instead of PIE. Much closer to Naples. Many people vacation in SW Florida from W. Michigan. Beggars can't be choosers I guess....

Thankkyouverymuch, Todd....My buddy and I are buzzin down to Naples(RSW) tonight on DL.
PGD is a little further north of Naples than RSW, but we all know, cheap is cheap.
That's what we all want. I didn't tell DL I wanted to pay the full Y fare. Who would?
LOL
By the way, our DL fare from FNT is $174.00RT and we bought it last summer.
safe  blush 



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5708 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 12):
What is G4's history of discontinuing service at one regional airport, and after some period of absence, initiate service from an airport in the same catchment area.

I'm still drinking my coffee this morning to wake up, but I can' t think of any direct example of that type of move.

But Allegiant is publicly saying they have about 30 more small cities on their list of potentials. So its possible MOB is one.



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User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5654 times:

The presentation also spoke of getting A320 or 737-800 aircraft of eve 757 for Hawaii. That doesn't fit with acquiring low cost aircraft that fit with the comparatively light utilization. I'm afraid if they stray from the current model they may get into trouble.

User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2503 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5653 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 13):
By the way, our DL fare from FNT is $174.00RT and we bought it last summer

Wow, great deal! Tempted to head down too, but for now we're saving our pennies for a trip to the USVI's in April. If only the economy was better....

I see Direct Air (VX A319's) just started AZO-PGD, but AZO's quite a hike for you.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VRD5811
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VRD5810



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5629 times:

Hey - this is good news for GSP. Since oil/fuel prices are down, think they'll try LAS again???


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User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5581 times:



Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 17):
Hey - this is good news for GSP. Since oil/fuel prices are down, think they'll try LAS again???

While it's possible since fuel prices are more reasonable, I don't see them restarting GSP-LAS anytime soon, especially since they pulled the route a few months or so after it started. One would think they already planned for fuel costs prior to starting the route, so it was likely not fuel prices alone that caused Allegiant to pull the service.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5561 times:



Quoting National757 (Reply 18):
While it's possible since fuel prices are more reasonable, I don't see them restarting GSP-LAS anytime soon, especially since they pulled the route a few months or so after it started. One would think they already planned for fuel costs prior to starting the route, so it was likely not fuel prices alone that caused Allegiant to pull the service.

I really don't want to go down this road again (had a REALLY good rant back at the time they pulled it), but I can't see how a route can be pulled based on pax numbers alone, since there wasn't enough time for the route to "mature" and come into its own. I still feel it was a slap in the face (and yes, I know G4 did that just about everywhere else, too).



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User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5550 times:



Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 19):

Think yield and not pax count. Sure Allegiant was able to draw pax to Vegas from GSP, but was Allegiant able to charge enough to be profitable? Could Allegiant have increased fares and still sustained the demand needed to fill up an MD-80 back and forth to Vegas a few days a week? No one but the folks at Allegiant know for sure and seeing as how they left the market rather quickly, they were likely not able to make the fare increases stick.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5533 times:



Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 19):
I really don't want to go down this road again (had a REALLY good rant back at the time they pulled it), but I can't see how a route can be pulled based on pax numbers alone, since there wasn't enough time for the route to "mature" and come into its own.

Most new Allegiant routes do not need time to mature. They start strong.

When a route doesn't show good booking trends from the start it gets pulled. They are not willing to burn through money for a year or so in the hope that it will improve.

Unfortunately some routes just turn out not to perform to Allegiant's expectations.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5511 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 21):
Most new Allegiant routes do not need time to mature. They start strong.

When a route doesn't show good booking trends from the start it gets pulled. They are not willing to burn through money for a year or so in the hope that it will improve.

Unfortunately some routes just turn out not to perform to Allegiant's expectations.

I understand that G4 operates in an alternate universe, but.... All I know is that from personal experience, that route wasn't around long enough for me to plan anything to try it out. Who knows how many folks would have taken advantage of the flight if they'd been given a decent chance to plan? That's pretty sad.



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User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5436 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter):
The first routes announced out of PGD are to Greenville/Spartanburg and Knoxville

of course this flight comes around the summer after I needed it....go figure..I guess I'll have to use G4's Vegas and Arizona flights from my new home when I get there in the new year.


Great news for TYS, this service will go good with some of the other small increases we have been seeing. (new first class seats on routes such as CVG, ORD)

People in the Knoxville, Tri-Cities, and Chattanooga love the service that G4 provides, and this (along with the restart of FLL) goes to show that the communities are supporting them, and will hopefully continue to..



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User currently offlineYNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 513 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

Wanted KRSW, but I will take PGD instead.. Now just fly from YNG!


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25 Wedgetail737 : Nothing against the Airbus A320, but if G4 wants a common fleet and still has the desire to fly to Hawaii, then the 738 with ETOPS would be there best
26 Sflaflight : The route map on Allegiantair.com now has PGD as a focus city (although the circle slightly smaller). Would G4 call it a focus city with just 2 route
27 BA744PHX : I seen that as well and was wondering the same thing. If its a new focus city does anyone know how many routes they will have?
28 727LOVER : This is great! If not SRQ, I'm glad its PGD instead of RSW. PGD has excellent spotting. But I wonder how the airport's neighbors are going to react to
29 FATFlyer : There are some future growth thoughts, but it depends upon how routes do this year.
30 Wedgetail737 : With fuel down these past few weeks/months, will we see G4 re-starting longer range service to LAS and Phoenix that were discontinued due to high fuel
31 Tys777 : I figured that G4 was throwing PGD at two of its stronger cities in the south that have done a good job supporting their other services. Kinda using
32 CIDflyer : any guesses on future route from PGD? Also, does anyone think that PGD would be too close to PIE and end up competing with one another for the traffic
33 FATFlyer : I don't know, I hear conflicting info. Rotated in, I don't think they are making it a base right now.
34 YNGguins : After dwelling on it for a night, this is a very wise move for Allegiant. PGD is just 35-40 minutes from Ft. Myers, 50 minutes to Bonita Springs, an 1
35 Sflaflight : Location wise, using PGD makes sense. It avoids RSW B6 and other LCC competition. That was my thinking too. It will be interesting to see how they de
36 FATFlyer : Funny thing is they ramped up Phoenix right away and did not have the same problems. East vs. West I guess.
37 Sflaflight : Actually an FLL thing, I thnk. I don't remember the other FL focus cities starting that way. G4 might not have realized we do things a little differe
38 Midex461 : A bit off topic, but..... I noticed some interesting destinations on that map. NYC (which airport fits the G4 model? ISP? HPN?) LA (I don't see G4 go
39 FATFlyer : NY was a new one for me to see seriously considered, it had only been briefly mentioned before. I'm not sure which of the airports they would conside
40 Wedgetail737 : It's too bad that G4 wouldn't be getting any slots at SNA anytime soon. The BLI-SNA route would probably work for the Disney, Legoland, Knotts Berry F
41 FATFlyer : SNA would be a costly move, Allegiant watches airport fees very closely. Also they were looking for an airport with room to add more than just BLI fli
42 Wedgetail737 : What about ONT? I'm sure there is plenty of room there, now that Expressjet is gone.
43 FATFlyer : ONT makes a lot of sense to me, but I think the ultimate decision will still come down to the costs to operate at the airport. Allegiant will go where
44 TOLtommy : Same as here in TOL. I get the feeling that G4 doesn't like what DirectAir is doing. G4 usually opens a crew base in each focus city. Has a PGD crew
45 Flyinryan99 : What really surprised me was Direct Air stated at the offhand chance they could start TOL-SFB also or a remote possibility of TOL-EWR. I wonder if the
46 SANFan : Thanks a bunch for the link to the Report, 'flyer; very interesting. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the whole cloudy issue of definitions of
47 FATFlyer : My guess is they are looking at SAN as a "real" destination at some point in the near future. My guess is service into SAN from say 10 to 15 western a
48 SANFan : Phewww; then the cloudiness is not just me! Well, the temperate climate is not (usually) as hot as most of the rest of the sun belt in the summer (ju
49 YNGguins : How about Allegiant's stock! Soaring to a record high of $46.59 a share yesterday.... If it reaches $50 do you think they have another stock offering
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