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User currently offlineEljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Have just been perusing the British Airways fleet details page on Wikipedia (at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways#Fleet) and noticed that it says: 'Orders include 5 ex-GB Airways A320s currently with easyJet'. I recall seeing on the airliners.net forums a few months ago, that U2 are ordering their own A320s and will be ridding themselves of the ex GT aircraft (due to engine commonality issues with the rest of their own fleet). Does this mean that the ex GT A320s are going back to the BA mainline fleet?

If so, will they be operated out of LGW or LHR? If they are based at LGW, will they be replacing any of the 737s which are due to be returned to the lease company and what routes will they operate on?

Lastly, didn't GT also operate a few A321s? Will they be returning to the BA mainline fleet from U2? (Wikipedia doesn't have anything on them as far as I can see - I am aware that it is often wrong on these matters as well!)

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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Yes, the following aircraft are supposed to go back to BA:
G-TTOF
G-TTOG
G-TTOH
G-TTOI
G-TTOJ

easyJet already returned several A321s that I believe will go to Monarch.



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User currently offlineBwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2156 times:



Quoting Eljonno (Thread starter):
Does this mean that the ex GT A320s are going back to the BA mainline fleet?



Quoting Eljonno (Thread starter):
Will they be returning to the BA mainline fleet from U2?



Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 1):
Yes, the following aircraft are supposed to go back to BA:

Just to be picky (sorry) but these aircraft were never with BA to start off with. GT was an independent airline, part of the Bland Group. They were a BA franchise, but GT had its own AOC, crew etc.


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

I'd imagine some of the A320s will remain with EZY until the new builds are delivered, to operate the Egypt, Paphos and Canary Island routes.

The two A321s (TTIH/I) destined for Monarch were withdrawn on the 15th November and are currently sitting idle at Gatwick, where they will probably remain until taken up next Summer.


User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Are BA taking G-TTOK which is due for del early 2009, as part of the outstanding
GB order?



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User currently offlineFlybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1908 times:



Quoting Bwaflyer (Reply 2):
Just to be picky (sorry) but these aircraft were never with BA to start off with. GT was an independent airline, part of the Bland Group. They were a BA franchise, but GT had its own AOC, crew etc.

Im not sure this is strictly true, did BA not place a large order including a/c to be op by GT and BMED then on delivery transfer ownership/lease to GT / BMED? That was my understanding.

If thats the case then BA would technically of owned the a/c for a period, even if its a few mins.



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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

GT ordered their aircraft and paid for them seperately from BA but had them equipped to the same specification as BA A320s. BMED did the same thing although of course its cabins were different. That's why the aircraft went automatically to EZY and BD.

User currently offlineEljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1853 times:



Quoting Bwaflyer (Reply 2):
Just to be picky (sorry) but these aircraft were never with BA to start off with.

I think your point is fair enough to be honest: by using the word 'return' I guess it did imply that I thought the aircraft had previously belonged to BA - although I did not. I do acknowledge that they can't really be 'returned' to a company that didn't own them in the first place as GT was listed as a separate company (I believe) which operated as a franchise of BA. Nevertheless it could be said that the aircraft in question are returning to BA in light of the fact that before they operated as a franchise of that company and now (that the franchise no longer exists) they will be returning to operate flights for that company properly.

Language is a strange concept!

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 3):
I'd imagine some of the A320s will remain with EZY until the new builds are delivered, to operate the Egypt, Paphos and Canary Island routes.

Will they then be merged into the BA fleet? Or will they go to new operators?

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 3):
The two A321s (TTIH/I) destined for Monarch were withdrawn on the 15th November and are currently sitting idle at Gatwick, where they will probably remain until taken up next Summer.

Shame. I would have liked to have seen BA operate some A321s out of LGW.


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

I think BA are keeping more 737s than originally planned down at LGW so I imagine any ex GB aircraft would go to LHR.

User currently offlineMarky From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1755 times:



Quoting Flybehubby (Reply 5):
If thats the case then BA would technically of owned the a/c for a period, even if its a few mins

That is correct, they were 'tacked on' to the BA order for commonality and also to take advantage of BA's buying power - cheaper price!

They were delivered to BA and then immediately sold on to GB/BMED.

Not sure if this applied to the entire GB fleet


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1625 times:



Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 1):
Yes, the following aircraft are supposed to go back to BA:
G-TTOF
G-TTOG
G-TTOH
G-TTOI
G-TTOJ

These aircraft are not and never where the ones returning to BA.

http://www.jethros.eu/fleets/fleet_listings/easyjet_a320srs.htm

The A320 aicraft destined to return to BA are the 4 aircraft that EZY didn't paint totally white (G-TTOB/C/D and E). Instead they where left with their BA blue underbellys . The four aircraft where ordered when BA placed it's first A320 order. BA is believed as yet to have not expressed an interest in taking on the other 5 later in the year.

The other 5 aircraft where meant to leave the fleet in 4Q08. I am guessing EZY are gonna use them up until a buyer can be sourced or their new A320's begin to arrive

http://www.jethros.eu/fleets/fleet_listings/ba_a320srs.htm

G-TTOB is the first being handed back to BA this will happen in FEB09. This will be followed in APR09 by G-TTOE.

Quoting Eljonno (Thread starter):
If so, will they be operated out of LGW or LHR? If they are based at LGW, will they be replacing any of the 737s which are due to be returned to the lease company and what routes will they operate on?

It is rumoured that the A320's will replace the ageing 757's that will slowly be phased out. If BA took on the other 5 aircraft plus G-TTOK which is due to arrive in 09 it would give them enough aircraft to phase out the complete 757 fleet.


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3746 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1528 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 10):
If BA took on the other 5 aircraft plus G-TTOK which is due to arrive in 09 it would give them enough aircraft to phase out the complete 757 fleet.

and perhaps give them more options at LHR re operating at T5.


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1419 times:



Quoting Richardw (Reply 11):
and perhaps give them more options at LHR re operating at T5.

It would give them would be to operate on more routes, from both T5 and T3. Not that that has stopped 757's operating from T5 when needed.

T5 is not big enough full stop so there would still end up being airbuses operating out of T3.


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

Having a quick look at next summer's schedule, it appears EZY will have 13 A320s and 2 A321s in operation. Based on the assumption that TTOB/E will have left by then, they should be receiving at least 6 new build A320s before August.

Another interesting observation is that EZY 737-700s are scheduled to operate to Gatwick for the first time in a while. They will be Belfast based, but also operate one of the daily Venice flights from Gatwick.


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