Service starts November 1st 2009 operated daily with 762 equipment.
No mention of SkyTeam or StarAlliance in the press release but it seems quite logical that CO should now be joining Star (or starting their partnership with LH) come November 1st.
SRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 252 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7245 times:
Welcome to *A CO.
The offer has been extended, the routes are falling in place, the bilaterals with UA/LH have been made, now we just need a formal acceptance by CO.
CLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7139 times:
Mbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 790 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7074 times:
Quoting CLE757 (Reply 2): Bring on CLE-FRA, either CO or LH.
That would be awesome, though I wonder if it would mean we lose LGW or CDG?
And remember, LH was looking at CLE in the 90s for a cargo connection....
Let Me Tell You, Landing A 772ER Is Harder Than It Looks!
CLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7047 times:
Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 3): That would be awesome, though I wonder if it would mean we lose LGW or CDG?
And remember, LH was looking at CLE in the 90s for a cargo connection....
Well, I hope we wouldnt lose either, but I think it would be LGW first if they had to make a cut.
102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1154 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7028 times:
I for one hope this one does not start. Why not let LH operate IAH-FRA with their 747. CO's 762 could be better used on IAH-MAD. Anoucement's like these (more of the same for IAH) is why I'm not loyal to CO.
COalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 336 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6935 times:
There gettin there they need the Aircraft and soon you will see IAH-MAD, MUC, JNB, LOS, DXB just a matter of time
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3662 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6927 times:
United From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6915 times:
Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 5): I for one hope this one does not start. Why not let LH operate IAH-FRA with their 747. CO's 762 could be better used on IAH-MAD.
I don't quite understand this. I believe LH already operates 744s on this route, (or at least 343s). The point of the new Continental flight between Houston and Frankfurt is to provide extra frequencies and connectivity between (future) Star Alliance hubs. And trying it out with a 762 is a smart move, rather than slapping a 777 on it right off the bat.
Why Madrid? Could there be a lower-yielding European destination for a North American Star Alliance member to serve? Possibly, but not by much!
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4916 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6851 times:
Yea - LH currently uses a daily 744 on the IAH-FRA route, prior to which it was a 346, prior to that it was a 343. It will be interesting to see if LH will keep the 744 on the route once CO starts. Where will this 762 come from? AMS 2nd flight axed?
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4751 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6850 times:
I wonder where they're going to get the plane to fly this. Maybe those 4 used 753's will replace the rumored acquisition of 4 used 777's to free up some or all of the 764's in GUM.
Or, less likely, maybe the used 777 rumor still has life.
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3662 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6755 times:
I'm guessing the 2nd AMS flight will not fly, which opens about 3 r/t, and then we'll see a downgrade out of the EWR market to a city for the other 4 days a week.
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
Flyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 415 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6756 times:
Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 9): Where will this 762 come from? AMS 2nd flight axed?
I'm not really sure but on the slot allocation list for AMS for next summer schedule the CO059 (IAH-AMS-IAH) which is now operated with a B762 will change to a B772.
I want to now what they will do with the CO047 (IAH-AMS-IAH), which is currently flown with a B764, somebody?
COalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 336 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6732 times:
Does anyone know how long the Flight will be on CO IAH-FRA?
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3662 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6699 times:
SRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 252 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6687 times:
Quoting COalways (Reply 13): Does anyone know how long the Flight will be on CO IAH-FRA
5232 mi as the crow flies. So I would guess the block time would be between 11 and 12 hours.
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6787 posts, RR: 24 Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6604 times:
Excellent news for CO and IAH! Im glad CO seems to be making IAH more of a priority now. They applied to serve IAH-GIG and now they are going to fly IAH-FRA. I wonder if LH will give IAH-MUC a try at some point? Im also hoping OZ will be interested in IAH-ICN. I know IAH donates a some pax to DFW's KE flight.
Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 5): I for one hope this one does not start. Why not let LH operate IAH-FRA with their 747. CO's 762 could be better used on IAH-MAD. Anoucement's like these (more of the same for IAH) is why I'm not loyal to CO.
I dont get it. Why would be upset about CO adding another route from your hometown? I would be excited. Thats more seats into the IAH-Germany market. Not to mention that even without the Star alliance hub hook-up, FRA is so much higher yielding than MAD. CO and Star should have way bigger priorities than to start IAH-MAD.
IB/AA will probably start DFW-MAD when they get ATI (and they probably will). Thats probably the best bet for Texas-MAD service for now.
DFW Fan Boy: Im crude, irreverent, and blunt, but Im not clueless. I offer no apologies.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21292 posts, RR: 19 Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6312 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 16): I wonder if LH will give IAH-MUC a try at some point?
CO starting IAH-FRA might be a precursor to LH moving their service to MUC... it wouldn't be the first *A hub in the US with that service pattern. Does Houston have stronger business ties to one part of Germany than to anothe?
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4916 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6250 times:
Well - I know a lot of Houstonians transfer at FRA on LH to Africa...
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4485 posts, RR: 43 Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6232 times:
Quoting United (Reply 8): And trying it out with a 762 is a smart move, rather than slapping a 777 on it right off the bat.
Thats right especially in the low winter season of 09-10 but for Summer 10, I would not be surprised if this route got an upgrade to a B 772ER due to higher demand volume.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21292 posts, RR: 19 Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5952 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 23): If that is the case and it might be, CO will need a bigger plane on IAH-FRA.
I think that depends on O&D patterns more than anything; CLT sees a larger aircraft to MUC because of the demand to Bavaria.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
25 COGlobeTrotter: LH is already flying EWR-MUC. I'm not sure if there is enough demand for both carries to fly this route.
26 AznMadSci: Hey LaxDude! Unless LH decides to bring the A380 to IAH, I highly doubt it. We might see LH do something similar that CO/AF has done with CDG and off
27 Boeing747_600: LH recently upgraded their FRA-IAH service from an A343 to a B744, which I would imagine was adequate to handle the excess demand. Does CO really thin
28 LAXdude1023: Hey dude! I hope you are doing really well and that your trip to Asia was great! This might be a better option. The flights from the West Coast to MU
29 Conti764: With the take-over of SN, LH is aiming at transferring (a (large) part of) their African routes to BRU, which will become the *A-gateway for Africa s
30 CALMSP: I'm surprised the flight is already open for sale in SHARES.............flight 46.
31 AznMadSci: Has the SN takeover been finalized? If so, I would expect CO to offer 2x daily EWR-BRU with the 752 and then transferring a 762/764 to possibly start
32 CALMSP: i'm surprised the press release left out hte LAX tag on .......... flight 47: FRA-IAH 1340-1750 IAH-LAX 1900-2044
33 CALPSAFltSkeds: Well, in my opinion that flight number shows that the aircraft is coming from IAH-AMS. CO will probably move flight 46, now IAH-AMS to IAH- FRA and c
34 Drerx7: Is the LAX tag on 767 or is it change of aircraft but continuing flight number?
35 AznMadSci: The current CO 47 does AMS-IAH-LAX with a change of aircraft from 764 to 753. Most likely it will do something similar go from FRA-IAH on 762 to IAH-
36 102IAHexpress: Whoa, where did I say I’m upset? Just because I’m not excited about another IAH-FRA flight, does not mean that I’m upset. As far I’m concerne
37 AznMadSci: I think LH will keep the 744 on the IAH route to keep those F seats, especially once ATI commences. As for CO, they like to test new European routes
38 COalways: Any other guess's to what other STAR Hubs CO will luanch from IAH in the future when more widebody A/C arrive?
39 LH469: Very good move. Glad to see that they are starting with the 767-200 vs a larger ac.
40 Falcon84: It would probably mean losing CDG before LGW. First, the city of CLE wants desperately to move the LGW service to LHR, and secondly, it wouldn't make
41 AznMadSci: Will CLE-FRA be in the range of the 752?
42 PSA727: YES! YES! YES! First EWR-TXL goes to a 762 and now this! I just wish it started sooner than 11 months from now.
43 LAXdude1023: I remember the article and what CO said its possible future destinations were. Two things: 1) MAD was listed as a possible destination with a 787 (as
44 Cubsrule: No. It's 160 miles longer than EWR-TXL.
45 DiscoverCSG: EWR-TXL, as I recall, is only a 762 for the winter months, and back to a 752 in March or so. The 762 is actually 1 seat smaller than the 752, so othe
46 CALMSP: probably safe to say that FCO, MXP will not be on the top list for flights from IAH. MAD might depend on whether or not we codeshare with JK. We do n
47 Conti764: Finalized as in LH fully owning SN? No. But, pending EU approval, SN is becoming a daughter company of LH and the German are going to transfer some f
48 LAXdude1023: Theres lots of traffic between IAH and AMS. Way more than between IAH and BRU. CO wont drop IAH-AMS.
49 COflyerBOS: IAH-AMS will never be dropped by CO or KL. There is a reason why CO offers more than a daily flight and KL offers the daily 74M and a BBJ a few more t
50 Flyingfool: CO and KL has some very lucrative contracts in hands for the AMS-IAH routes and also a good yielding cargo ops with a lot of freight going to the Sout
51 NW: Do you think KL or DL would increase capacity on IAH/AMS after CO joins Star? KL/NW has huge contracts with many of the oil related businesses on this
52 STT757: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe CO has the Shell contract for IAH-AMS, that's huge. Royal Dutch Shell is based in the Hague and Shell US
53 NW: They both have contracts - the second KL AMS flight was specifically for Shell. The KL/Shell contract guarantees a set number of Business Class seats
54 Leskova: Which one are you referring to? CLT? That's because of business connections. I don't see LH moving IAH away from FRA. For some strange reason, I thin
55 ContinentalEWR: As CO exits SkyTeam, will they be drawing down the frequencies and capacity to AMS and CDG? I would think CDG will remain intact as it is a premier Eu
56 LAXdude1023: I dont think so. IAH-AMS got upgraded and will be daily. Nothing. I dont think IAH-BRU is in the cards. Sorry.
57 STT757: The only change would be IAH-AMS which is scheduled to go from the current twice daily (767-200, 767-400) to a single daily 777-200ER. I would not ex
58 AznMadSci: IAH-AMS will continue to do well for CO even after CO joins Star.
59 Leskova: Sorry, but while it, admittedly, is somewhat off topic, I wasn't asking about a potential IAH-BRU route or anything else that CO could be moving anyw
60 102IAHexpress: After reading this news: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/..._edhdYGTIdyFQPhlDV-QXngD94T6HD00 CO should just ax their IAH-AMS route all together.
61 Conti764: It was told by somebody on a Belgian aviation forum who is known for having lots of reliable BRU information, way before it gets announced officially
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