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Kingfisher To Start BOM - LHR From Jan 5th  
User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7267 times:

Kingfisher Airlines is to start BOM - LHR from January 5th

IT 007 BOM - LHR 1350 1750 9hrs 30 mins
IT 008 LHR - BOM 2030 1100+1 9hrs

Aircraft: A330-200

So there will be 9W,BA,VS,IT leaving in the afternoon within a span of 2 hrs.


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User currently offlineBCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7122 times:



Quoting Ojas (Thread starter):
So there will be 9W,BA,VS,IT leaving in the afternoon within a span of 2 hrs.

and 9W, BA, VS, IT leaving LHR within a span of an hour 20:30 - 21:30.

Really hope this works out for them.


User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

I thought this route was over saturated. Is there really that much demand between the two cities?


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7090 times:



Quoting Ojas (Thread starter):
So there will be 9W,BA,VS,IT leaving in the afternoon within a span of 2 hrs.

Might be somewhat too much capacity. The market from the UK to India seems to be over-saturated. Apart from those going direct there are also EK, EY, QR, AF, KL, LH, and probably even more carries offering connections.


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2170 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7019 times:

How much has EK and other Gulf carriers with all this direct competition? I thought LHR-BOM was EK's bread-and-butter, but with so much direct competition how much is EK really carrying?

User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

BA 2 times a day
9W 2 times a day
VS 1 daily
AI 1 daily (B744)
QR 1 combination
EY 1 combination
GF 1 daily option
EK 3 combinations on a given day ( taking the 5th daily in consideration)
LH( 2 options on a given day)
NW/KL
AF
TK

So so many options in 24 hours.



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User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6933 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 4):
I thought LHR-BOM was EK's bread-and-butter,

Dubai - Bangkok is the busiest EK route from what I heard. 2 flights a day 95% full most of the time.


User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6864 times:

Wonder why is it that every airline operating out of India thinks BOM-LHR is a must serve route....

User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1108 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6850 times:

I'm surprised to see IT expanding, especially considering how poor their BLR-LHR route has been performing.

User currently offlineSankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6824 times:



Quoting Kevin (Reply 6):
Dubai - Bangkok is the busiest EK route from what I heard. 2 flights a day 95% full most of the time.

I believe EK has much more capacity Dubai - Mumbai, also usually very full.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8456 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6798 times:
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Quoting Ojas (Thread starter):
IT 007 BOM - LHR 1350 1750 9hrs 30 mins
IT 008 LHR - BOM 2030 1100+1 9hrs

Aircraft: A330-200

Given Kingfisher's huge FF base in India, this should give them a base of loyal travelers especially for the Fabulous Kingfisher FIRST.


User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6793 times:



Quoting N867DA (Reply 2):
Is there really that much demand between the two cities?

Especially now ...


User currently offlineVivekman2006 From India, joined May 2006, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6651 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
Given Kingfisher's huge FF base in India, this should give them a base of loyal travelers especially for the Fabulous Kingfisher FIRST.

True, but IT should get into codeshare agreements with other airlines operating from LHR to provide onward connections to the US/Canada and other cities in Europe. This should get them more passengers in addition to the BOM-LHR O&D pax.

- Vivek


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4828 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6598 times:

These flight timings of KF seem to be clearly designed for O&D traffic catering towards the BOM-LHR-BOM market segment primarily.

The timings arent suited for KF to get any feeder traffic from any USA/Canada city. They should aggressively try to get Manchester originating pax bound to BOM to fly them via LHR.

From the flight timings mentioned, it seems that 1 A 332 will be dedicated to this route which is good to see.


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6595 times:



Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 7):
Wonder why is it that every airline operating out of India thinks BOM-LHR is a must serve route....

Probably because Mumbai is the financial hub in India and London is the largest financial hub in the world.

On a side note.
Does anyone know if IT still is on track to open BLR-SIN in early 2009?



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User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6524 times:

The direct UK - India market was very under served until a few years ago with BA, AI & UA the only direct carriers. Now we have lots of direct services from London that I guess are getting their passengers at the expense of indirect carriers like GF, EK etc.

Don't get me wrong there are many business, family and tourism links between London and India but could a few airlines not trink about trying direct services from UK airports other than LHR?


User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6447 times:
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Quoting Behramjee (Reply 13):
These flight timings of KF seem to be clearly designed for O&D traffic catering towards the BOM-LHR-BOM market segment primarily.

You mean IT ??? KF = Blue1  Wink

Any ideas for the configuration if the A332 for this route?



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User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6154 times:



Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 14):
Probably because Mumbai is the financial hub in India and London is the largest financial hub in the world.

Thanks.....but I think I know that already - but when you have BA/9W with daily doubles, AI and VS - there's probably not much "must do" premium traffic remaining. Additionally, IT does not really bring any FF benefits that others already don't provide either. BA brings all OneWorld, 9W partners with just about every airline that IT does and then some (UA / VS / QF / KL and so on) AI will soon be joining *A. So what does IT stand out in?


User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6105 times:



Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 17):
So what does IT stand out in?

Just some consistently good inflight service that's all. But I do not think it is enough to attract loyal passengers of other airlines to IT.

Calling BA mediocre backfired Mallya BIG time. Hope he does not do similar stupidities this time. But then again, lets see who will survive.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8456 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6105 times:
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Quoting Teme82 (Reply 16):
Any ideas for the configuration if the A332 for this route?

30 J and 187 coach. Kingfisher FIRST at is one of the most generous in the A330. NW A332 is 32 J / 211Y.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6048 times:
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Have the loadfactors on the BLR-LHR route improved ?

What about the BLR-SF area plans ? Shelved ?

I've just come across a picture of a superb IT F/A on one of their A330. It's on the "other" website you all know...



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6027 times:



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 20):
What about the BLR-SF area plans ? Shelved ?

I'm not sure whether they are actually getting two A345 or not. They had ten on order, converted five to A332, three are going to Arik Air, the other two are not really clear. HiFly or not. It might be that IT ends up without a single A340, so they don't have the planes to do that.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19245 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5908 times:



Quoting N867DA (Reply 2):
Is there really that much demand between the two cities?

In terms of passenger figures:

In October 2008, LHR-BOM-LHR had 67,589 passengers down 10% from October 2007. In comparison, LHR-DEL-LHR had 65,857 passengers in October 2008 up 17% from October 2007.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5726 times:

Hopefully they get the loads.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5708 times:



Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 7):
Wonder why is it that every airline operating out of India thinks BOM-LHR is a must serve route....

You'd be surprised how much demand there is still left. Sure enough the bad times have affected demand as Pearson posted the YOY figures between the two city pairs. But there's still enough yield to scrape from the Gulf carriers and for the short stage length of the ride, the A330 is an extremely economical aircraft to operate it with. Let's also not forget cargo!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 8):
I'm surprised to see IT expanding, especially considering how poor their BLR-LHR route has been performing.

That's because there isn't as much catchment in the BLR area as there is in BOM. BLR runs pretty much on the InfoTech business and since a lot of UK companies have actually cut their outsourcing operations in India, I suspect it didn't work well for them. Not to mention, they were a new entrant in the market competing against the traditional Gulf carriers (at cheaper prices) which have well established themselves in the South of India.

Quoting Richcandy (Reply 15):
Don't get me wrong there are many business, family and tourism links between London and India but could a few airlines not trink about trying direct services from UK airports other than LHR?

No I don't think that would work. A lot of the premium customers lie in the LHR and BOM catchment areas. Most of the other cities in the UK, like Birmingham or East Midlands are simply low yielding leisure markets. Plus, with the capacity from LHR, it's still cheaper for most people in England to hop on a 4 hr bus ride to Heathrow and get on a flight to BOM.



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25 AF022 : I thought IT definitely wasn't going to get A340s.
26 Thorben : So it will be 3 to Arik and 2 to HiFly?? I read that HiFly was rather to operate 3 for Arik and IT would still get 2. However, no A345 means no BLR-S
27 LondonCity : Just as with its LHR-Bangalore service, IT has left it rather late in announcing this new LHR-BOM route. Promoting anything at this time of year is di
28 AF022 : I thought 3 were going to HiFly to operate for Arik, and that the other two hadn't been placed. I could be wrong, though. Did IT face a stiff penalty
29 AirNZ : Absolute nonsense! EMA I could possibly agree with to a somewhat extent, but I can certainly assure you that m"most of the other cities in the UK cit
30 PP705 : Does this mean that the alliance between IT & 9W has gone up in smoke?
31 Dennys : we do not really know whether IT will ever fly their A345s anyway .... dennys
32 Post contains images MHTripple7 : Perhaps IT plans to attract more passengers with this: I don't think so....at least I hope not. Weren't they going to do a joint venture from India-L
33 Candid76 : No-one in their right mind would do that when they can just go via the middle east, unless maybe IT are offering connecting flights from MAN for free
34 Tonyban : Where do I book my seat ????
35 Buck3y3nut : Which "other" website are you referring to? Sorry to sound so ignorant... Thanks
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