Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5992 times:
Quoting Ojas (Thread starter): So there will be 9W,BA,VS,IT leaving in the afternoon within a span of 2 hrs.
Might be somewhat too much capacity. The market from the UK to India seems to be over-saturated. Apart from those going direct there are also EK, EY, QR, AF, KL, LH, and probably even more carries offering connections.
AF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2082 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5921 times:
How much has EK and other Gulf carriers with all this direct competition? I thought LHR-BOM was EK's bread-and-butter, but with so much direct competition how much is EK really carrying?
Ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2787 posts, RR: 23 Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5888 times:
BA 2 times a day
9W 2 times a day
VS 1 daily
AI 1 daily (B744)
QR 1 combination
EY 1 combination
GF 1 daily option
EK 3 combinations on a given day ( taking the 5th daily in consideration)
LH( 2 options on a given day)
NW/KL
AF
TK
So so many options in 24 hours.
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MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5752 times:
I'm surprised to see IT expanding, especially considering how poor their BLR-LHR route has been performing.
Vivekman2006 From India, joined May 2006, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5553 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10): Given Kingfisher's huge FF base in India, this should give them a base of loyal travelers especially for the Fabulous Kingfisher FIRST.
True, but IT should get into codeshare agreements with other airlines operating from LHR to provide onward connections to the US/Canada and other cities in Europe. This should get them more passengers in addition to the BOM-LHR O&D pax.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4446 posts, RR: 43 Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5500 times:
These flight timings of KF seem to be clearly designed for O&D traffic catering towards the BOM-LHR-BOM market segment primarily.
The timings arent suited for KF to get any feeder traffic from any USA/Canada city. They should aggressively try to get Manchester originating pax bound to BOM to fly them via LHR.
From the flight timings mentioned, it seems that 1 A 332 will be dedicated to this route which is good to see.
Richcandy From France, joined Aug 2001, 696 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5426 times:
The direct UK - India market was very under served until a few years ago with BA, AI & UA the only direct carriers. Now we have lots of direct services from London that I guess are getting their passengers at the expense of indirect carriers like GF, EK etc.
Don't get me wrong there are many business, family and tourism links between London and India but could a few airlines not trink about trying direct services from UK airports other than LHR?
Teme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5349 times:
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 13): These flight timings of KF seem to be clearly designed for O&D traffic catering towards the BOM-LHR-BOM market segment primarily.
You mean IT ??? KF = Blue1
Any ideas for the configuration if the A332 for this route?
PNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 579 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5056 times:
Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 14): Probably because Mumbai is the financial hub in India and London is the largest financial hub in the world.
Thanks.....but I think I know that already - but when you have BA/9W with daily doubles, AI and VS - there's probably not much "must do" premium traffic remaining. Additionally, IT does not really bring any FF benefits that others already don't provide either. BA brings all OneWorld, 9W partners with just about every airline that IT does and then some (UA / VS / QF / KL and so on) AI will soon be joining *A. So what does IT stand out in?
I'm not sure whether they are actually getting two A345 or not. They had ten on order, converted five to A332, three are going to Arik Air, the other two are not really clear. HiFly or not. It might be that IT ends up without a single A340, so they don't have the planes to do that.
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18838 posts, RR: 54 Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4810 times:
Quoting N867DA (Reply 2): Is there really that much demand between the two cities?
In terms of passenger figures:
In October 2008, LHR-BOM-LHR had 67,589 passengers down 10% from October 2007. In comparison, LHR-DEL-LHR had 65,857 passengers in October 2008 up 17% from October 2007.
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WindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1307 posts, RR: 59 Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4610 times:
Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 7): Wonder why is it that every airline operating out of India thinks BOM-LHR is a must serve route....
You'd be surprised how much demand there is still left. Sure enough the bad times have affected demand as Pearson posted the YOY figures between the two city pairs. But there's still enough yield to scrape from the Gulf carriers and for the short stage length of the ride, the A330 is an extremely economical aircraft to operate it with. Let's also not forget cargo!
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 8): I'm surprised to see IT expanding, especially considering how poor their BLR-LHR route has been performing.
That's because there isn't as much catchment in the BLR area as there is in BOM. BLR runs pretty much on the InfoTech business and since a lot of UK companies have actually cut their outsourcing operations in India, I suspect it didn't work well for them. Not to mention, they were a new entrant in the market competing against the traditional Gulf carriers (at cheaper prices) which have well established themselves in the South of India.
Quoting Richcandy (Reply 15): Don't get me wrong there are many business, family and tourism links between London and India but could a few airlines not trink about trying direct services from UK airports other than LHR?
No I don't think that would work. A lot of the premium customers lie in the LHR and BOM catchment areas. Most of the other cities in the UK, like Birmingham or East Midlands are simply low yielding leisure markets. Plus, with the capacity from LHR, it's still cheaper for most people in England to hop on a 4 hr bus ride to Heathrow and get on a flight to BOM.
I'm all in favour of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with keyboards.
25 AF022: I thought IT definitely wasn't going to get A340s.
26 Thorben: So it will be 3 to Arik and 2 to HiFly?? I read that HiFly was rather to operate 3 for Arik and IT would still get 2. However, no A345 means no BLR-S
27 LondonCity: Just as with its LHR-Bangalore service, IT has left it rather late in announcing this new LHR-BOM route. Promoting anything at this time of year is di
28 AF022: I thought 3 were going to HiFly to operate for Arik, and that the other two hadn't been placed. I could be wrong, though. Did IT face a stiff penalty
29 AirNZ: Absolute nonsense! EMA I could possibly agree with to a somewhat extent, but I can certainly assure you that m"most of the other cities in the UK cit
30 PP705: Does this mean that the alliance between IT & 9W has gone up in smoke?
31 Dennys: we do not really know whether IT will ever fly their A345s anyway .... dennys
32 MHTripple7: Perhaps IT plans to attract more passengers with this: I don't think so....at least I hope not. Weren't they going to do a joint venture from India-L
33 Candid76: No-one in their right mind would do that when they can just go via the middle east, unless maybe IT are offering connecting flights from MAN for free
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