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AF/ME 4th CDG-BEY-CDG Flight Confirmed  
User currently offlineMEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 276 posts, RR: 7
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

As stated by FLYSSC AF/ME were planning to start a fourth frequency between CDG and BEY. The flight has now been loaded. It will be an AF A332 operating 4 times per week, in addition to the 2 daily ME A332 flight and the AF 77W flight.
Schedule :

AF 562 MON/WED/THU/FRI
16:20 PARIS (CDG) 21:30 BEIRUT (BEY) 332

AF 561 TUE/THU/FRI/SAT
10:35 BEIRUT (BEY) 14:10 PARIS (CDG) 332

The Departure from CDG is too early to permit a full business day in Paris. An 18:00 Depature would have allowed late afternoon conections from Europe.
The Departure from BEY is well timed to catch the 16:00 North Atlantic departure wave.

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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2552 times:



Quoting MEA330 (Thread starter):
As stated by FLYSSC

Hey hey ... I Told you !  Wink


Here is the link to my initial post :
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/4174713

Quoting MEA330 (Thread starter):
The Departure from CDG is too early to permit a full business day in Paris. An 18:00 Depature would have allowed late afternoon conections from Europe.

I am also surprised by the schedule of the flight leaving CDG at 16:20 ... I guess the first reason for this 4th flight is to offer better connetions to the passengers of the AF longhaul flights* who arrive to late at CDG to catch MEA leaving at 13:40.

* such as :
AF267 from ICN (14h30)
AF069 from LAX (14h05)
AF279 from NRT(14h15)
AF439 from MEX (14h05)


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

I assume this will operate only for the summer season?


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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2719 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Good for AF/ME ! wonderfull airbridge between lebanon and sweet mother France  Wink

Alex!!!



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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2331 times:



Quoting BA (Reply 2):
I assume this will operate only for the summer season?

This 4th frequency is scheduled from May 18th to the end of the summer schedule (end of Oct. 2009).


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2719 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2248 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 4):
This 4th frequency is scheduled from May 18th to the end of the summer schedule

Hei ya FlySSC  Wink And why it's 4 not daily flight ? By the way I am travelling to BEY on 22 of December by AF 77W

Alex!!!



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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2204 times:



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 5):
why it's 4 not daily flight ?

Well, the offer on CDG-BEY-CDG is already quite important with 2 x A332 + 1 x B77W Daily. This is actually the highest offer in seats daily out of BEY.

I guess they want to "test" this 4th frequency and see if it can be popular and profitable before eventually increasing it to Daily...


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2719 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2130 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
I guess they want to "test" this 4th frequency and see if it can be popular and profitable before eventually increasing it to Daily

Ok ! One more question FlySSC.Why AF dont fly BEY-LYS or BEY-MRS using some A319

Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion para la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineGomea From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Great news for AF/ME...

As a CDG-BEY user, I would have preferred a later departure from CDG. Given the layover time, this could be possible... The later departure time compared to the 8:00 of ME211 is great! You still have a full afternoon in Paris. I presume is, just like ME209/210, less for O&D and more for transiting pax

I presume the same crew will operate the flight back?

There will be an France tail during the whole night at BEY. Wonder if they will leave the A/C near gates 22-23, given that 3-4 ME A330 could be stationned on some nights.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2051 times:



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 7):
Why AF dont fly BEY-LYS or BEY-MRS using some A319

MEA is operating a BEY-NCE-BEY during the summer season.

AF does not operate any single long-haul flight from MRS, NCE, LYS, TLS, BOD or any provincial airport.
AF policy is to have a dense centralized network out of CDG with a lot of frequencies and as much connection possibilities as possible, as AF's priority is to "feed" the CDG Hub (much more profitable) rather than offering O/D flights from the French province (AF doesn't even fly to PTP/FDF/RUN from MRS/TLS/NCE/BOD).
Note that most of the time, the fare for a ticket "CDG-long haul" is equivalent to the fare of a ticket "French Province-CDG-Long haul".


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2719 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1964 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 9):
AF does not operate any single long-haul flight from MRS, NCE, LYS, TLS, BOD or any provincial airport

Thanks for the info FlySSC.I remember I flew EZE-PAR with a stop in NCE and some flights from Point a Pitre ,For de France and ABJ with stop in another french cities before landing in PAR

Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion para la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1930 times:



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 10):
Thanks for the info FlySSC.I remember I flew EZE-PAR with a stop in NCE and some flights from Point a Pitre ,For de France and ABJ with stop in another french cities before landing in PAR

Indeed, until the early 90s, before it was reorganized, AF used to have several long-haul flights with many en-route stops including within France like :

CDG-NCE-CAI
CDG-NCE-JED-YVA
CDG-LYS-DKR
MRS-LYS-PTP-FDF
CDG-NCE-JIB-TNR
SXB-LIL-JFK
NCE-LYS-JFK

and more ...

ABJ was not served by AF but by UTA until it was merged into AF in Feb 1992
UTA also had several longhaul routes to Africa with stops in France such as :

CDG-BOD-NIM-ABJ
CDG-MRS-ABJ
CDG-LYS-ABJ-JNB


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

I think this new flight would also provide good connections with the hi-speed train service to and from Brussels. A pity there are no weekend frequencies both ways as they would be very useful around school holiday periods.

Anyway, I'm not too excited about transferring everything myself from train to plane at CDG for a family of 4 including 1 child and 1 infant.

Hope by the time travel is easier again, there will be those frequencies.

Anyway, it looks like BRU is quickly becoming Star Alliance dominated and so it is more likely we'll be flying Star Alliance carriers connecting to BEY i.e. BD via LHR, LH via FRA or TK via IST. Maybe some day SN would start BEY, or RB join Star Alliance  Smile

Good news in any case, although the bigger news will be when ME actually starts to fly to JFK and or YUL nonstop from BEY (again).



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2719 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1849 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):
ABJ was not served by AF but by UTA

Oops what a mistake,of course FlySSC it was UTA . I remember I flew UTA DC8 from TIP to CDG with a stop in MRS

Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion para la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineMEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 276 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

... According to some MEA insiders, ME is stil planning to operate an additional flight BEY-CDG-BEY operated by A321/320 3 times a week. This flight would complement the 4 weekly AF561/562 flight, making it a daily 4 flights.

Nothing yet firm but proposed schedule could be:

BEY13:00/CDG16:45
CDG 19:00/BEY23:30


User currently offlineGoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1683 times:



Quoting MEA330 (Reply 14):
... According to some MEA insiders, ME is stil planning to operate an additional flight BEY-CDG-BEY

I doubt it, it is too close to the new 4th daily flight.

I only see a 5th flight leaving end of business day in BEY arriving 22 30 in Paris and leaving Paris at 2330 for an early morning arrival in BEY



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