Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3640 posts, RR: 29 Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7436 times:
NO mention of HNL-KIX, or KIX-SPN/GUM being dropped, so no... KIX will not close. I think MSP-AVL was once weekly on Sat. I believe. AVL is still served from DTW. There will be lots of this roue rationalization happening.
First off, MSP-AVL was more than once weekly on Sat. I flew that flight on a Friday night and a Sunday morning.
Second, this flight (MSP-AVL) was only around because of Tim Griffin (NW EVP of Marketing) who just left when the merger went through. He was a huge big-wig and the flight existed because he owned a second home in AVL that was his wife's only residence. She moved to MSP with him and eventually had enough of MSP weather and lived in AVL year-round. This flight was sort of a legend at NW HQ because it was like a creative form of executive compensation. The flight wasn't actually a terrible performer, though, from what I hear. The costs to run it were only marginal being once a day on a CRJ.....and revenue wasn't terrible. It didn't make money....but didn't lose too much either. Now that Tim Griffin is gone the flight is not needed. The flight never carried local traffic (save for TG) anyway. DTW and ATL will fill in perfectly fine.
Third, NRT-KIX is not being cancelled as far as my sources go. Apparently this was reaffirmed by a look at a new schedule floated this week.
Fourth, expect some more destinations dropped.....but also expect a lot more dots to be connected in the system. I hear MSP and DTW to the South will get a good capacity increase.....MSP's increase will be new routes and DTW's will be mostly to destinations currently served from there.
Delta is not a big fan of overflying hubs, esp to markets like those.
CSG is greatly underserved because it lies in the shadow of ATL
ABY is a decent sized market probably just barely too small to support a 2nd airline (unless US DH8s to CLT) but I dont think an ABY-DTW would work unless there was some sort of business connection. DHN, AGS and CHA are probably similar.
MLU and GTR will likely keep MEM service
VLD is too small
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6390 times:
Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 12): It actually won't be discontinued. It will merely become NW1147/1148.
Actually incorrect, through Mar and into Apr, I am finding not only flown once, but then twice daily and operated nonstop by Delta Airlines utilizing B737-800 a/c. NWA doesn't fly the the 738, so obv DL operated flight and it's twice daily, not discontinued on those schedules which are still bookable, so maybe, yet to be pulled?
And then, so to double check as I was writing this, I hit up expedia, shows nothing as in the means of nonstop options. So, jump to kayak, shows as mentioned the NWa operated flights with Airbus equip nonstop each way, night flight eastbound and 7am westbound nonstop flight option, so now thinking maybe not updated yet on the DL website.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6247 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6095 times:
Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 13): So, jump to kayak, shows as mentioned the NWa operated flights with Airbus equip nonstop each way, night flight eastbound and 7am westbound nonstop flight option, so now thinking maybe not updated yet on the DL website.
The NW computer shows a A319 non-stop round trip TPA-LAX. In the late 80's NW flew non-stop TPA-LAX as NW 001 which continued on to NRT. It was a change of equipment from a 757 to a 747.
When did Delta begin to have an interest in the Chicago -- New York O&D market? And in response to what from WN, other than WN's apparent intent to pick up some LGA slots?
Seems like any "response to WN" in the CHI-NYC market would/should be coming from AA and/or UA, but DL? ...if DL has thrown its proverbial hat into the ring in this market (other than feed to/from their JFK trans-Atlantic routes), it's certainly news to me, which admitedly I may have missed until now.
BTW, are Delta's MDW-LGA flights operated by mainline or one (or more) of their legions of surrogate regionals? Seems it has come to where we need an elaborate scorecard to keep track of who's operating what for DL.
Nycbjr From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 447 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5880 times:
Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 15): BTW, are Delta's MDW-LGA flights operated by mainline or one (or more) of their legions of surrogate regionals? Seems it has come to where we need an elaborate scorecard to keep track of who's operating what for DL.
I believe these are flown by Shuttle America out of the Marine Air Terminal on Erj-75's
Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 4): Second, this flight (MSP-AVL) was only around because of Tim Griffin (NW EVP of Marketing) who just left when the merger went through.
ASE was added for the same reason, except at the time it was Dasburg that had a home in Aspen, however this route turned out to be a winner and thus why it was something like 2-3 daily from both Memphis and Minneapolis.
Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 13): Actually incorrect, through Mar and into Apr, I am finding not only flown once, but then twice daily and operated nonstop by Delta Airlines utilizing B737-800 a/c. NWA doesn't fly the the 738, so obv DL operated flight and it's twice daily, not discontinued on those schedules which are still bookable, so maybe, yet to be pulled?
Wrong, looking at PARS, NW's internal system and not the skyteam timetable it is as follows
NW 1148 Dep: 10:00pm Arr: 05:26am
NW 1147 Dep: 07:00am Arr: 09:27am
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5476 times:
Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 15): Seems it has come to where we need an elaborate scorecard to keep track of who's operating what for DL.
and it will continue during the NW integration. The whole point of the DL/NW merger is to best use assets and flow revenue more cleanly across the two networks. DL and NW will be trading routes... so don't get too worked up if you see something disappear from one's network . In addition DL is reducing capcity across all operators during offpeak periods through the winter. Realistically, I wouldn't put a whole lot of credibility into what is in or out of the combined DL network unless you are within 45 days of departure.
It's also worth noting that DL and NW will probably have integrated terminal operations before they start swapping flights between each other. Given the discussion on here about the future of DL and NW at LAX, the dates of these swaps might provide some clues...
TLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 586 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5001 times:
I would imagine this means NW will be moving over to Airside E at TPA. Airside E was built for Delta, so it's very likely that NW will move there rather than Delta moving to Airside A where NW is currently. I guess UA/AC moving from E to A isn't out of the realm of possibility...but Delta seems to have a few unused gates that could probably handle the extra NW filghts easily without expansion.
Over at MCO I would expect the same as well - NW moving to the Delta gates would be an upgrade from their current gates.
Bill in ATL
25 Burnsie28: I believe that is the case, however it might be sometime, on a side note, isn't Airside A a lot nicer than E?
26 MasseyBrown: But won't having to check two res systems cost DL customers? How many will check the usual airline and, seeing no flights, give up? Bastian said the
27 WorldTraveler: DL and NW already have a sell and report structure in place as a part of their codesharing. They don't need to have a single res system.... they do ne
28 TLHFLA: E is actually a bit newer than A. The new Airside E was finished in 2002, and A was finished in 1995. They probably both equally as nice though... Th
29 Enilria: First, let me say that OAG changes usually don't appear until Monday morning. There was no NW TPA-LAX flight added, but when you look at OAG it is ju
30 DeltaL1011man: I think it has alot to do with them jumping ship from PARS to DeltaMatic, then back to PARS, the bac to DeltaMac..............and around we go.