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Midwest Connect Only YX Service To LAX  
User currently offlineSkyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

I just pulled up YX schedules to LAX for next June in my computer at work and also on YX's website. They are offering only one flight a day to LAX. It's a Midwest Connect flight operated by Republic Airlines on an Embraer 170 regional jet. The flight operates MKE-MCI-LAX with a flying time MCI-LAX of 3:30.

I would think of MKE-MCI-LAX as a mainline route for them. That route has taken quite a hit over the years. First it was operated non-stop MKE-LAX with an MD-80. Then it switched to a 717 with a stop at MCI. Now it's down to a regional jet operated by a contracted airline.

All YX flights MKE-ATL are showing up as Embraer 170s as well.

YX started out as the glamourous, luxury airline. Now they've relegated most of their flying to regional partner airlines operating regional jets. Given the choice, especially on a long flight like MKE-LAX, I think more people will opt for the non-stop NW A320.

YX is on my short list of airlines to fail.

[Edited 2008-12-05 19:44:29]

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

Yes LAX has been the single E170 flight since October.


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User currently offlineSideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

Same with Dallas and Denver. Both are all E-170's now. Very few cities see the 717's anymore, but I guess with only 9 that is to be expected.

I'm told the 170's are a nice ride. I don't think it would be too bad to fly from MCI-LAX on one. The seats are bigger then the seats we had on the -80's and of course the 2X2 is always nice.

As a side note the last three -80's will be leaving MKE next week for storage with the rest in Arkansas. YX still has 10 of them that are just sitting idle. Hopefully they can unload those soon.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23217 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4063 times:



Quoting SkyguyB727 (Thread starter):
Given the choice, especially on a long flight like MKE-LAX, I think more people will opt for the non-stop NW A320.

Why? You get a better seat and better service on the 170. Is nonstop worth more than all that? That's a tough question, not one that you can laugh off (as you've done).



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4004 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
Why? You get a better seat and better service on the 170. Is nonstop worth more than all that?

Better seat, no.. Not with Saver Service.. Service?? Debatable.. And yes the N/S is worth it for some people.



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3895 times:



Quoting SkyguyB727 (Thread starter):
I would think of MKE-MCI-LAX as a mainline route for them. That route has taken quite a hit over the years. First it was operated non-stop MKE-LAX with an MD-80. Then it switched to a 717 with a stop at MCI. Now it's down to a regional jet operated by a contracted airline.

LAX, IIRC, is a largely leisure-fare route. Means less revenue per seat than on the primarily business routes. YX has been scailing back its leisure routes and focusing the mainline equipment on the higher fare business routes. They'll make more money on the 170 going MCI-LAX than they will with the 717 going MCI-LAX ... and both make more than the MD-80 going MKE-LAX.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
Why? You get a better seat and better service on the 170. Is nonstop worth more than all that? That's a tough question, not one that you can laugh off (as you've done).



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 4):
Better seat, no.. Not with Saver Service.. Service?? Debatable.. And yes the N/S is worth it for some people.

What are you talking about "Saver service?" There really isn't Saver service anymore ... I'm pretty sure the Embraers offer the same BOB food as the 717s. If I'm wrong, I stand corrected ... but otherwise it's pretty much standard E-170 cabin arrangement with YX onboard service.

I haven't flown on it yet, but my understanding is the 170 is a very nice plane for a "regional" jet.



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User currently offlineTimaay419 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3771 times:

After the first of the year, NW will pull it's nonstop LAX-MKE flight. Is the Milwaukee market just not big enough to warrant at least 1 nonstop a day? With the NW/YX codeshare, and NW presence in Milwaukee, I'm surprised it's getting the ax.

User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3750 times:



Quoting Timaay419 (Reply 6):
After the first of the year, NW will pull it's nonstop LAX-MKE flight. Is the Milwaukee market just not big enough to warrant at least 1 nonstop a day? With the NW/YX codeshare, and NW presence in Milwaukee, I'm surprised it's getting the ax.

I heard NWA will drop the route for a few months then bring it back. MKE-LAX drops way off in the winter months.... Just like MKE-SEA.


User currently offlineTimaay419 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3742 times:



Quoting MKENut (Reply 7):

LA is a seasonal route? That doesn't really make sense. Seattle I can understand, but LA?


User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2982 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Milwaukee-west coast is mostly low-yield leisure traffic which largely dries up in the off season. MKE-LAX probably has the strongest business segment, but the market is still weak in the dead of winter.

The most recent fare stats out I have access to are from the 2nd quarter of 2008. However that includes AirTran's entry into MKE-LAX which skewed fares, so I will also include the same quarter from 2007.

2nd quarter 2007
$216.28 CHI-LAX (both MDW and ORD)
$191.69 MKE-LAX
Chicago's LA fare 14% higher than Milwaukee's LA fare

2nd quarter 2008
$234.72 CHI-LAX (both MDW and ORD)
$178.71 MKE-LAX
Chicago's LA fare 31% higher that Milwaukee's LA fare


AirTran cut MKE-LAX for the winter (likely coming back this summer) and their average fare of just over $150 was a key reason they admittedly lost their shirts on long haul flying last summer. But even before AirTran came in, Chicago-LAX (even with Southwest' nonstops) earned an average fare 14% higher than what Milwaukee-:LAX did...even in a strong quarter like the 2nd quarter.


It's not so much that individual fares on MKE-LAX are so much lower than ORD-LAX and MDW-LAX (although last summer AirTran had some absurd fares in the market). No, it's mostly that MKE-LAX has a comparably tiny high-fare business traffic segment in the market.

For this winter, Northwest's nonstop MKE-LAX is only being cut for 37 days, January 5 through February 10. It returns February 11th.


Finally regarding the E170, it's not adequate to describe it as "comfortable for a regional jet". It's widely regarded as equally if not more comfortable than most mainline aircraft coach seats. I was quite surprised the first time I flew it. I think it's a bit better than the 717 in the 2x3 seating. And far better than a CRJ.


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3502 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
You get a better seat and better service on the 170.



Quoting JBo (Reply 5):
haven't flown on it yet, but my understanding is the 170 is a very nice plane for a "regional" jet.



Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 9):
Finally regarding the E170, it's not adequate to describe it as "comfortable for a regional jet". It's widely regarded as equally if not more comfortable than most mainline aircraft coach seats. I was quite surprised the first time I flew it. I think it's a bit better than the 717 in the 2x3 seating. And far better than a CRJ.

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I have taken it several times: MKE to MCI, CMH, OMA. It is outstanding for an all coach airplane. Outstanding. The seating is more comfortable than the Saver MD 80's The seats are more comfortable than coach seats in the YX 717 and NW DC=9's. Knope, JBO and Cubsrule are spot on.

This jet may be classified as a regional jet, but the seating comfort in the E-170 series is as good, or better, than any coach seating of so called mainline aircraft. The "regional" part comes into play only when talking about overhead bin space, height of cabin and other dimensions not associated with seating comfort in coach.

I used to go out of my way to avoid the YX MD Saver aircraft because of their dependability issues. i will go out of my way to FLY the the E-Jets on YX.


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3324 times:



Quoting JBo (Reply 5):
What are you talking about "Saver service?" There really isn't Saver service anymore

Never mind. My bad, I forgot they only switched the 712s to the 2-class service. But I hear some not so pleasant things about the new 2-class config.'s Saver Seats.



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User currently offlineSideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2547 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 11):
But I hear some not so pleasant things about the new 2-class config.'s Saver Seats.

Just curious what kind of things?


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23217 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2212 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 4):
Better seat, no.. Not with Saver Service.. Service??

You're not comparing the right things. I would much rather sit in a 170 seat (really any 170 seat) than a NW Y seat. You can't compare with any YX mainline service; there isn't any in the market anymore.



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2126 times:



Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 12):
Just curious what kind of things?

Well I mean they are alot smaller than the former all one class seats on the 712s and MD80s before they changed to Saver and Signature.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
You're not comparing the right things. I would much rather sit in a 170 seat (really any 170 seat) than a NW Y seat. You can't compare with any YX mainline service; there isn't any in the market anymore.

Read # 11..



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User currently offlineSideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1946 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 14):
Well I mean they are alot smaller than the former all one class seats on the 712s and MD80s before they changed to Saver and Signature.

Well of course they are smaller then the signature seats. If that is the only "not so pleasant thing" you have heard then that is not so bad. They are also wider then the saver seats and again the lack of a middle seat is a plus.

My wife recently flew on one and she said it was fine. The service was slow but the airplane and flight were both good and she travels all the time between work and non-reving so I trust her opinion. Believe me if something wasn't right she would have told me. I've heard from others also that the service is the only thing that is suffering right now but hopefully they will straighten that out.


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1899 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 11):
But I hear some not so pleasant things about the new 2-class config.'s Saver Seats.

Regular 717 coach seat clad in leather it appears to me. Feels more comfortable than comparable FL coach seats.


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1819 times:



Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 16):
Regular 717 coach seat clad in leather it appears to me. Feels more comfortable than comparable FL coach seats.

 checkmark  I have to agree with that.



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User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1778 times:



Quoting SkyguyB727 (Thread starter):
YX is on my short list of airlines to fail.

I can't comment on the merits of this statement, but it would be unfortunate to see yet another midwestern/Great Lakes/Ohio Valley hub close: PIT is gone, STL is winding slowly down, CVG is moving more rapidly downhill, and MKE????


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