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STL To Close Off Most Of Concourse D  
User currently offlineJmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 598 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8011 times:

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=161896&catid=3

Finally, after years of being an empty, rusting, hulk of walking track, airport officals are walling off the concourse to save
money. Frontiers gate and Great Lakes are not effected. No more walking to the East Terminal, from the main one.
Now, I wish they would just take a wrecking ball to it.

[Edited 2008-12-06 15:15:07]


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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7879 times:

What they should do is remodel it. Then, move everybody out of A and do the same there.


DMI
User currently offlinePc12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7834 times:

That was the plan, that is until the "evil empire AA" castrated flights here.

Yea, yea.... I know, I know.... but still.



Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1572 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7836 times:

Yeah, I heard it was costing them thousands of dollars a month just to heat and cool the section of terminal that was not used! Its a pity, on my long lay overs it used to be a good walk from the beginning of the concourse to the southwest gates! There was even a campaign that had signs saying that it was a mile from one of the terminal to the other end! To bad it will no longer be available to walk!


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7565 times:



Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 3):
Yeah, I heard it was costing them thousands of dollars a month just to heat and cool the section of terminal that was not used!

Much as I liked being able to walk down to the east terminal, I can think of 10 better ways to spend that money.



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7489 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Much as I liked being able to walk down to the east terminal, I can think of 10 better ways to spend that money.

Yeah, like get started on the baggage claim/terminal roadway project. Is this still on tap??


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7459 times:



Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 5):
Is this still on tap??

Assuming they can find the money, yes... and that would be something near the top of my top 10 list.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1572 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7412 times:

Ohh dont get me wrong, there are dozens of things I can think of that the money can be put to good use at that airport, the question is...will it??


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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7372 times:

makes sense to do it, why spend the money on space not being used. Still is a little sad to see a part of STL closed up that was once one of the country's busiest airports. I remember when it was full of TWA and then AA. On a side note, I still wish AA and Great Lakes could come to an agreement to have Great Lakes operate as an American Connection carrier. Are they still even in talks or have they completely shelved that idea? It would be nice to add those cities to the AA portfolio of cities served from STL and help the connections there.

Also, how is the overall STL renovation coming along that was announced back in 2007? Is that still moving ahead?


User currently offlineCws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7309 times:

Is there any talk of closing off the B Concourse as well? As far as I know, only FL is over there, with AA Connection long having vacated. Since FL has a handful of flights, could they not save money on heating/cooling/cleaning Concourse B by moving FL to the free "low-D" gates (D2/6/12)?


volgende halte...Station Hollands Spoor
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7216 times:

Wouldn't it make more sense to close the A and B concourses and move those airlines to D? I know the light rail connects the two terminals, but the train is outside security. If A/B were closed, there would be no exiting security if changing concourses/terminals.

User currently offlineCws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7180 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 10):
Wouldn't it make more sense to close the A and B concourses and move those airlines to D? I know the light rail connects the two terminals, but the train is outside security. If A/B were closed, there would be no exiting security if changing concourses/terminals.

Thats a good question! Would the walk from check-in to mid-D gates be longer than to A concourse (since i can't imagine anybody connecting on an A or B concourse carrier over STL)?



volgende halte...Station Hollands Spoor
User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6615 times:

There is no talk of closing B concourse that I have heard, and for sure no plans for A. Makes more sense to me if both Great Lakes and Frontier were moved to B. I guess that would not have been economically feasible as they would have had to spend a good chunk of change to get jet ways back on B.


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User currently offlineCAMPBELL From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5791 times:

It would be nice if the city fathers would just tear down the whole airport and start over. A smaller terminal perhaps where Boeing is located with about 40 gates would probably suffice. Then maybe a redesigned Metrolink that would go to the new location and keep the main terminal with the green arches the new 94 aeroclub for those of us who spend our time watching airplanes...

User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5093 times:



Quoting Cws818 (Reply 11):
(since i can't imagine anybody connecting on an A or B concourse carrier over STL)?

It's rare, but it happens. I've connected in STL on Delta once. It was the cheapest thing on their web site.



Good goes around!
User currently offlineJmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5065 times:



Quoting CAMPBELL (Reply 13):
It would be nice if the city fathers would just tear down the whole airport and start over. A smaller terminal perhaps where Boeing is located with about 40 gates would probably suffice. Then maybe a redesigned Metrolink that would go to the new location and keep the main terminal with the green arches the new 94 aeroclub for those of us who spend our time watching airplanes...

That'll be the day.

Sadly, I think STL is stradeled with paying off the new runway to nowhere. And with the current economy, to do anything to the current terminals right now.

Hopefully, down the road, they'll tear down D and A,B and build a new concourse from the main terminal right out to the east one. Consolidating all the airlines into a nice new space.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9518 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4723 times:

The dust and mold collecting in D and parts of C is just...god awful.

It's so strange though...before I moved there, I used to change planes there and we'd have to sit and wait for gates sometimes. A few times during the christmas season we'd (or just me) would/get a plane or two to break it out with christmas carols.

And then I moved there and there was a constant parade of TWA over the skies.

Now, nothing.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4563 times:



Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 12):
I guess that would not have been economically feasible as they would have had to spend a good chunk of change to get jet ways back on B.

B has two jetways, doesn't it? That's all FL and F9 would need. I'm not sure who owns the second one, though... FL might.

Quoting CAMPBELL (Reply 13):
Then maybe a redesigned Metrolink that would go to the new location

It's too bad that St. Louisans hate transit. I don't think we'll see any Metrolink extension for at least the next 15 to 20 years.

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 15):
Hopefully, down the road, they'll tear down D and A,B and build a new concourse from the main terminal right out to the east one. Consolidating all the airlines into a nice new space.

Tearing down A would be a waste of money. It's a serviceable facility, though the leaky roof needs to be addressed. I'd love to see B torn down and replaced with a central security checkpoint and food court, sort of like what they did at MDW.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4541 times:

If ever there were an airport just begging for an LCC to come in and set up shop, it's STL. You could build a killer LCC hub there to connect everywhere to everywhere else - have the space, get the aiport/city to make a killer offer to get traffic in there again, and have a good sized metro area to feed it. As for AA, I doubt as if they'll fight much at all there - they are more or less biding their time, leaving slowly, a little more every year. Even if Lambert isn't the nicest facility, it's big, functional, and available.

Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 3):
Yeah, I heard it was costing them thousands of dollars a month just to heat and cool the section of terminal that was not used! Its a pity, on my long lay overs it used to be a good walk from the beginning of the concourse to the southwest gates! There was even a campaign that had signs saying that it was a mile from one of the terminal to the other end! To bad it will no longer be available to walk!

I guess you'll have to turn around a few times to get in your mile. I love walking during long layovers - DTW, DEN, and ORD are the best, in my experience.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4508 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 18):
You could build a killer LCC hub there to connect everywhere to everywhere else - have the space, get the aiport/city to make a killer offer to get traffic in there again, and have a good sized metro area to feed it.

What do you know that WN doesn't?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4436 times:

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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
It's too bad that St. Louisans hate transit. I don't think we'll see any Metrolink extension for at least the next 15 to 20 years.

I disagree, for the most part St Louisans do not hate mass transit (just look at the ridership numbers over the last year -especially to the county), they hate the mismanagement, cost overruns, etc that have occurred over the last five years with Metro management. Additionally, it is foolish to have expected anyone to vote for a tax increase on anything regardless of the long term benefit during this financial downturn, especially Metro given it's recent history.

Quoting Pc12Fan (Reply 2):
That was the plan, that is until the "evil empire AA" castrated flights here.

Yea, yea.... I know, I know.... but still.

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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
Tearing down A would be a waste of money. It's a serviceable facility, though the leaky roof needs to be addressed. I'd love to see B torn down and replaced with a central security checkpoint and food court, sort of like what they did at MDW.

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4353 times:



Quoting MrSTL (Reply 20):
I disagree, for the most part St Louisans do not hate mass transit (just look at the ridership numbers over the last year -especially to the county)

The area enclosed by 270, 70, and 44 and the rest of the County are two different things as far as openness to transit is concerned. My wife works in Wildwood, and when she talks with people out there about taking Metrolink to a Cardinals or Blues game, they look at her as though she has 2 heads.

I don't think St. Charles County is much different. That's a shame, really, as an extension of the Lambert branch (is that the Red branch now?) to St. Charles would be great for Lambert. I would argue that Lambert really doesn't have enough parking, and Metrolink is-- and should be-- a big part of the solution to that problem.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2413 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4307 times:



Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 8):
I remember when it was full of TWA and then AA.

I remember when D was full of Ozark DC-9's.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3783 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 18):
If ever there were an airport just begging for an LCC to come in and set up shop, it's STL. You could build a killer LCC hub there to connect everywhere to everywhere else - have the space, get the aiport/city to make a killer offer to get traffic in there again, and have a good sized metro area to feed it.

there were rumors a couple years ago that JetBlue was about to do just that, but apparently that deal fell apart. The idea is nice, but for some reason none of the LCC's seem willing to bite. Personally, I've always thought that STL would have made a good hub for USAirways, should AA had have cut out totally. US is pretty much nonexistant in the middle of the country, would have made a great midwest hub. Who knows, now that NW and DL are merging, UA and CO alligning maybe US could switch to OneWorld and AA could turn STL over to US and they could build a hub there. Probably never going to happen but would love to see STL busy again!


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2413 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3498 times:



Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 23):
US is pretty much nonexistant in the middle of the country, would have made a great midwest hub.

It did not work so well in CMH when HP ran it there. Lost Millions.


25 LambertMan : JetBlue thought they were Nolan Ryan in negotiations. Like someone earlier said, we don't hate transit, we just hate who runs it. With all of the sha
26 CIDflyer : while that may be true, I don't know if its fair that one could really compare the two. Its like apples to oranges. STL is a much larger market than
27 Cubsrule : I think we can all agree that Bi-State (or whatever they call themselves now) is not the most functional group. You all have missed my point, though.
28 BHMNONREV : Wouldn't that cost be re-couped in savings from shutting off D completely?? Tearing down any of the concourses would cost more than just to leave the
29 Cubsrule : That's the million dollar question. But I can dream, right? More seriously, there are serious infrastructure problems at STL, so even without expansi
30 MrSTL : A new food court is already part of the airport experience project, using B could be implemented you would think. Renovations are proceeding, they ha
31 Cubsrule : I think that's right. My concern is that when I walk down Concourse A and can see the sky, I question whether a) there is enough funding to go around
32 LambertMan : Our little town apparently has no real news to report, so the closing of concourse D was the top story. Imagine that. I'm the biggest St. Louis honk o
33 BHMNONREV : Concourse A was the first one built when Lambert added the second level to the concourses in the 1976-77 time frame, and always seems to be the one w
34 Burnsie28 : It's a shame that AA took over and killed TW and all their employees, a truly missed icon of the skies, though TW was killing itself. They are still m
35 MrSTL : I haven't been down A in a while-- I liked the new security checkpoint the last time I went through... and now that I think of it the United area is
36 BHMNONREV : Not much has changed since then, they have new carpet and some flat screen monitors at the gates, but for the most part it has been in a time warp si
37 Davescj : TW killed itself, lets face it. It was great icon, but mismanaged horribly. AA did the right business move taking over an ailing rival, so making its
38 PC12Fan : City owns both actually, but they are focused towards AirTran. Frontier will at times have both jet ways occupied so that could create a problem. I s
39 Cubsrule : Of course, they could just move the current F9 jetways from D to B. Isn't at least one of the jetways on B a former D resident? The other issue is th
40 BHMNONREV : There are certainly an abundance of jetways on D which are not doing much these days except rusting in the nasty St. Louis winter..
41 Post contains images FlyBoy84 : Oh my! I was a wee lad back then, but I can remember that, too - along with the sign across the highway where Woodson dead-ends at the highway that s
42 STLGph : what are you talking about? it's totally a lead.
43 Cubsrule : It seems like that could be done a lot more cheaply by connecting A and C and removing the portions of A and C that currently connect to the main ter
44 PC12Fan : Costs big bucks to do that believe it or not.
45 STLGph : and that's just the union fees.
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