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QF To MEX Late 2009?!?!  
User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

On the Wikipedia page for MEX it said that Qantas would be starting service to SYD late 2009.
I've never heard of this before and couldn't find anything about this it in the forum. While it's not totally out of the question, how exactly would Qantas fly this route? MEX is a hot and high airport and is 500 miles further from SYD than LAX so I doubt even a 747-400 could take off from there and make it to SYD non-stop in the middle of summer. And if there was a stop-over, where would it be? HNL seems a bit out of the way.

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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5667 times:

Well, would be great to have Qantas returning to Mexico after 35 years of absence, but I don't that's going to happen in the near future. I believe there's not enough market base that could support a direct link between Australia and Mexico at this time.

MX / QF codeshare ops at LAX and SFO, for what I have read, are working perfectly well at this time. Now, with the entrance of Mexicana in OW early next year, we will be able to see further strenghtening of partnership and alliances between Mexicana and Qanttas for sure.

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5587 times:

I would not believe the Wikipedia entry, but it would certainly be very nice to have QF back in Mexico City after such a long time.


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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5586 times:

Well they can always use the A380  Wink


Maybe QF can extend one of their LAX flights all the way to MEX??



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User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5569 times:

I agree, I don't think there's enough of a market base for the route either . .

however, Mexico City is the most important economic hub in Latin America, and I assume it does attract it's fare share of Australian tourists as well. If Buenos Aires can support non-stop flights from SYD on QF, then why not MEX. Yes there are plenty of transfer options through LAX, but then LAN already flew to SYD via SCL and AKL, yet QF still thought there was enough demand for non-stop flights to EZE.

I'm still curious to know where the mention of this service on Wikipedia comes from, was it just someone making it up or is it actually based on fact. . .


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2709 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5518 times:



Quoting Thestooges (Reply 4):
however, Mexico City is the most important economic hub in Latin America, and I assume it does attract it's fare share of Australian tourists as well. If Buenos Aires can support non-stop flights from SYD on QF, then why not MEX.

Two different places. Buenos Aires is Buenos Aires, and Mexico City is Mexico City.

JAL flies to MEX, but not to EZE. Does that mean that EZE must also support service to Japan?

There's not enough demand from Australia to Mexico. There is enough demand from Buenos Aires, Santiago and Brazil to Australia to support flights between those countries.

When it comes to airline routes, don't trust Wikipedia. Trust A.net and its credible sources.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24952 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5472 times:
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Quoting Thestooges (Reply 4):
however, Mexico City is the most important economic hub in Latin America, and I assume it does attract it's fare share of Australian tourists as well.

Increasingly, and from New Zealand.

Whether there's a enough traffic to support a flight terminating in MEX is open to question, but a routing such as SYD-MEX-JFK or DFW might make it viable, although they wouldn't have onward traffic rights from MEX.

I'd be pleased to see MEX if it happens, but I'm not holding my breath.

mariner



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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5424 times:



Quoting Thestooges (Thread starter):
And if there was a stop-over, where would it be? HNL seems a bit out of the way.

How about PPT? MEX-PPT-SYD?


User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2118 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5405 times:



Quoting Thestooges (Reply 4):
however, Mexico City is the most important economic hub in Latin America

With all due respect, the elephant in the room is São Paulo.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8525 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5382 times:
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Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 7):
How about PPT? MEX-PPT-SYD?

isn't that what they used to do back in the days of the "Fiesta Route" SYD-PPT-MEX-NAS-LHR ???

I am as big a fan of throwing darts at the map for my fantasy route network as the next person , but I have to say I dont see QF going back to MEX , even with MX coming onboard with OW next year . South America is a long way out of the way to try to serve via LAX and there is a market which has slowly grown over the last 20 years or so . SYD-MEX , IMHO , would not justify the frequencies to make it a more cost effective option than a connetion over LAX where QF and MX already fly numerous daily flights .

Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
Whether there's a enough traffic to support a flight terminating in MEX is open to question, but a routing such as SYD-MEX-JFK or DFW might make it viable, although they wouldn't have onward traffic rights from MEX.

Is there any reason why they couldnt get those rights ? They used to have rights beyond MEX back in the days of the Fiesta route ( at least I assume they did , but of course assumption is the mother of all .......! ) In any event , I agree with you that I do not see SYD-MEX as viable in the foreseeable future



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5336 times:

Will they resume service to YVR as well? They can do SYD-MEX-YVR maybe?

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24952 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5305 times:
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Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
Is there any reason why they couldnt get those rights ? They used to have rights beyond MEX back in the days of the Fiesta route ( at least I assume they did , but of course assumption is the mother of all .......! )

I don't know if they could get the rights (or if they ever held them or still hold them) and I agree, assumption is dangerous.

Since there are people on a.net who probably know more than I do, it seemed safer not to assume.  Smile

That said, if they could get any beyond rights from MEX, it changes the equation.

mariner



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8525 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5300 times:
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Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
Will they resume service to YVR as well? They can do SYD-MEX-YVR maybe?

SYD-MEX-YVR is approx 2300 nm longer than SYD-YVR direct - a long way out of the way




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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5176 times:



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 8):
Quoting Thestooges (Reply 4):
however, Mexico City is the most important economic hub in Latin America

With all due respect, the elephant in the room is São Paulo.

Mexico City and Sao Paulo are both major financial and economic hubs in Latin America. I would argue they are of similar importance, serving as centers to different regions. That said, I don't know if I believe we'll see QF in MEX anytime soon, as there is no convenient or practical way for them to fly there. There would still be the required and annoying change of plane in the US, which offers nothing really over the current codeshare arrangement. Maybe when the 787s arrive? No matter what they fly, I suspect a stop in TIJ will be necessary Westbound, due to MEX and its hot and high issues.



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

Agree, if we ever see Qantas in Mexico, it'll most likely be via the US, not direct..

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2982 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4982 times:



Quoting Thestooges (Thread starter):
how exactly would Qantas fly this route? MEX is a hot and high airport and is 500 miles further from SYD than LAX so I doubt even a 747-400 could take off from there and make it to SYD non-stop in the middle of summer. And if there was a stop-over, where would it be? HNL seems a bit out of the way.



Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 7):
How about PPT? MEX-PPT-SYD?

PPT would be a very direct routing. I can't imagine there's much demand between MEX and PPT, but if there's a market for SYD-MEX, PPT could certainly work as a tech stop.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
isn't that what they used to do back in the days of the "Fiesta Route" SYD-PPT-MEX-NAS-LHR ???

Yes, that's right, but I believe there was an additional stop in ACA between MEX and PPT, which should no longer be required with current long-range aircraft.



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5601 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4914 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
isn't that what they used to do back in the days of the "Fiesta Route" SYD-PPT-MEX-NAS-LHR ???



Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 18):
Yes, that's right, but I believe there was an additional stop in ACA between MEX and PPT, which should no longer be required with current long-range aircraft.

The Fiesta Route was SYD-NAN-PPT-ACA-MEX-NAS-BDA-LHR. The ACA stop was made in both directions, but was not required eastbound. It was there not because of range issues, the B707 could do MEX-PPT, what it could not do was lift that amount of fuel out of MEX's altitude. In short it was an airfield performance problem.

As for the current situation, if the Wikki author did not just make it up, I see two possible thing that could have been misinterpreted as QF starting service to MEX. One is code shares with MX, the other is that preparations have started for QFs SYD-DFW flight which will overfly Mexico. I expected the latter to happen in 2010 with the delivery of Phase II A380s to QF, but a late 2009 start date is not unbelievable.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineMayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

First of all, just don´t believe Wikipedia. In Wikipedia I have seen Mexico City-Ulaan Bataar, Mongolia listed as an AeroMexico route, hello!

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 5):
There's not enough demand from Australia to Mexico



Quoting Latinplane (Reply 5):
Trust A.net and its credible sources.

Dear Latinplane, what is your credible source?

Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
Increasingly, and from New Zealand

I had the honor of meeting a former NZ ambassador to Mexico and, boy, there is a lot of traffic between the two countries, both pax and cargo, and this is just from the number of NZ lost/stolen passports in Mexico his embassy had to take care of and from the Mexican sheep and dairy importers. There IS a big sheep one way traffic from NZ.

As for Australia and Mexico they are on each other travelers' prefered lists at least just from the number of Australians and Mexicans that I know that have been to the other country, actually the Mexican community down under is big enough for Mexican TV Network Televisa to have live satellite signal there for both NZ and AU.

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 8):
the elephant in the room is São Paulo.

I absolutely agree with you, and THAT room is 7,500 km away, just as far as Siberia is from Mexico City, Mexico City is another elephant in another room, period.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 19):
The Fiesta Route was SYD-NAN-PPT-ACA-MEX-NAS-BDA-LHR.

Gemuser, you are as much of a fan of the Fiesta route as I am, though you are THE teacher.
I think that the very reason of this thread is that this Wiki-Scam (I believe) has a million times more chances to exist in the future, as it existed in the past, than the one I saw of Mexico City-Ulaan-Bataar.

MX already codeshares with QF and, I think NZ. Hawaii and South Pacific destinations are very popular with Mexicans, many fly AF LAX-PPT, so if the Fiesta route existed in the past, why not bring it back to life? It can be done again with 747/380 or due to ETOPS, 777/330 out of TIJ or out of the new ESE which is under construction mainly for cargo service with APEC countries, into Auckland or Sydney and maybe even through HNL, even though Hawaii is the state with the smallest Mexican community in the US, not even Alaska. Twin engine service from Mexico to Australia nowadays can only be achieved out of northern Baja California. So lets hope for the best and have someone, QF or MX, surprise us as AM did with MEX-TIJ-NRT/PVG.



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5972 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

The QF to MEX have been removed from Wikipedia anyway, as it was lacking a source. Never trust Wikipedia on stuff like this, unless a source has been provided  Wink

User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3980 times:



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 21):
(5 minutes 42 secs ago) and read 7 times:

The QF to MEX have been removed from Wikipedia anyway, as it was lacking a source. Never trust Wikipedia on stuff like this, unless a source has been provided Wink

That was me who removed it  Wink


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5601 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3961 times:



Quoting MayaviaERJ190 (Reply 20):
Gemuser, you are as much of a fan of the Fiesta route as I am, though you are THE teacher.

Thank You!

It is one of my most bitter aviation regrets is that I never got to fly the Fiesta Route or for that matter in a B707 of any description. My first trips to both North America and Europe were on UTA DC-8/DC-10s. I have done both the Kangaroo Route and the Southern Cross Route (Oz-USA-Europe) and I still have the Wallaby Route (Oz-South Africa), second, on my list.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineBjwonline From UK - England, joined Mar 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

I really don't think you will ever see QF in MEX again. JQ, however, is a different question. Once the 787 finally arrives in decent numbers in the JQ fleet, we could see them fly to MEX even if it is via HNL.

User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days ago) and read 3283 times:

Before the World crisis taking hold...the employee roadshows were told...from Bol's mouth...

DXB (Next year '09- hubbing to Europe)
DFW (End Next Year '09)
BOM (Daily)
PER expansion
AKL downgrading
New China routes (These were meant to be announced with A380 entry into service, however never was).

All been said before. There are others on here who are more in the know regarding up-to-date route expansion/cuts.

Cheers


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

well SYD-MEX-LHR

 bitelip 



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User currently offlineAirlinerFanPGF From France, joined Nov 2008, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Yes, why not SYD-PPT-MEX with a code share with TN and even connections from MEX to Europe..... will see....

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