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Kenya Airways To Serve South America  
User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7946 times:



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The Commercial Director of the African airline, Richard Nuttall, was in Brazil in late November and announced that the airline plans to operate to Sao Paulo from Nairobi in the first half of 2009. It is receiving four B777s and six B767s in the next three months. Strategic Aviation Planning represents Kenya Airways in Brazil. Stay tuned.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/23/...news-update-volume-18-number-1204/

I have never heard of this source and I'm pretty sure KQ never had any 777s or 767s on order.

Can anyone please confirm?

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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

Actually, Routes is one of the premier network events for airline and airport route planners. Basically, you are part of this conference and you are guaranteed 4 long-interviews and 8 short-ones (30mins/10mins) where airports sell their case for service and airlines hear it. It is a great networking opportunity and a chance for all in the industry to get together.

This is a credible source and I am surprised it took so long for the news to break. Before TK announced DKR, KQ was looking at NBO-DKR-GRU. I have no idea what connecting bank they are trying to achieve at NBO, but the KQ guys seem very keen on the routing. Also, if it does go through, expect a stopover - probably at Lagos.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7912 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 1):

So be it, but where are these 10 aircraft coming from? Surely they haven't converted their 787 order?


User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7821 times:

LOS is too far out of the way. LAD is a more viable option. It's in the flight path and TAAG has had a considerable success flying to GIG, but it does not serve GRU.

User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8588 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7798 times:
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Quoting Airbuske (Thread starter):
I have never heard of this source and I'm pretty sure KQ never had any 777s or 767s on order

- They must be talking about the existing fleet, there is no way KQ could add that many planes and implement extra services in such a short space of time.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7597 times:



Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 3):
LOS is too far out of the way. LAD is a more viable option. It's in the flight path and TAAG has had a considerable success flying to GIG, but it does not serve GRU.

Angola will never allow it. According to the bilateral, Kenyan airlines may only route their flights through ABJ, MPM, SID and LOS. Angolan airlines are not allowed to fly to GRU and that will not be changed until GRU's T3 is built. If that service takes off, it will only be possible 3x weekly. If they ever wish to increase frequencies, the bilateral will have to be renegotiated, but since all new frequencies since July 2007 are denied GRU access, they would have to either stick to the three frequencies or fly elsewhere.


User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

They would be better off flying to Perth non stop from Nairobi.

User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7443 times:

I am really curious to know where the demand for this route will come from. Is it tourism, business or both?


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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7325 times:



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 4):
They must be talking about the existing fleet, there is no way KQ could add that many planes and implement extra services in such a short space of time.

Agree. There is no way KQ could absorb this much capacity all at once. And in low-season? no way.

Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 7):
I am really curious to know where the demand for this route will come from. Is it tourism, business or both?

Not local, but probably connecting traffic to BOM and BKK.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4847 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

The demand for KQ's NBO-GRU route would come from 6th freedom traffic using NBO as a transit point en route to BOM/BKK/HKG/DXB/China.

User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7118 times:



Quoting Airbuske (Thread starter):
It is receiving four B777s and six B767s in the next three months.

This is the existing fleet, a fact probably lost in translation. The only pending orders are the 788s. KQ has not indicated how delayed these frames are, but we are probably looking at 2012-2013 at the earliest.



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User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5663 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 9):
The demand for KQ's NBO-GRU route would come from 6th freedom traffic using NBO as a transit point en route to BOM/BKK/HKG/DXB/China.

Do you know what degree of freedom KQ have at LHR and CDG? It makes more sense to start a route to continental US before GRU or GIG, especially with DAL starting ATL-DKR-NBO


User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5644 times:



Quoting Swallow (Reply 10):
The only pending orders are the 788s. KQ has not indicated how delayed these frames are, but we are probably looking at 2012-2013 at the earliest.

In their stock holders report ending March 08, they expect a delay of 2-3 years so yes 2012-2013 looks likely.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5629 times:



Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 7):
I am really curious to know where the demand for this route will come from. Is it tourism, business or both?



Quoting AF022 (Reply 8):
Not local, but probably connecting traffic to BOM and BKK.



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 9):
The demand for KQ's NBO-GRU route would come from 6th freedom traffic using NBO as a transit point en route to BOM/BKK/HKG/DXB/China.

= Personally, I have no idea how they are going to make this route work. Of course, there is marginal O&D demand and this flight would work based on feed from BOM/BKK/HKG/DXB/China. However, these markets have had significant capacity increases to go to Brazil - you could fly 1-stop now via DXB and soon IST besides the traditional JNB and Europe. It will be interesting to see what KQ with a weaker hub at NBO can do.

Having said that, KQ route planners are pretty competent and perhaps they have data points that we do not know.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1449 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

A little out of topic but I flew KQ yesterday AMS-NBO on their 772 and they are not as good as everyone says they althou
h the planes are ok but could use AVOD.

[Edited 2008-12-08 12:27:41]


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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4288 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 5):
According to the bilateral, Kenyan airlines may only route their flights through ABJ, MPM, SID and LOS.

Among those, via MPM looks interesting, but it's not the shortest (rather say "less long") route. Specially if KQ can get some passengers from South Africa (JNB/DUR) to Brazil away from SA.
NBO-GRU via LOS is interesting too, but I would think LOS-GIG makes more sense than LOS-GRU.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 8):
Not local, but probably connecting traffic to BOM and BKK.



Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 7):
I am really curious to know where the demand for this route will come from. Is it tourism, business or both?

Plus KQ now operates Guangzou which has the biggest Brazilian community in China.

I also see there is demand between Brazil/Deep South America and East Africa. Although KQ hub in NBO is modest, the airline has an excellent network to East Africa such as Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Malawi, Rwanda, Ethiopia, Sudan, all of which with growing business ties to Brazil.

NBO-GRU will operate nonstop B767/B777 and KL (shareholder of KQ) is providing KQ with all advice on the Brazilian market operations.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 13):
Having said that, KQ route planners are pretty competent and perhaps they have data points that we do not know

KQ management team is very competent, some of them have a lot of experience with KL. KQ and ET are the best run airlines in Africa and their financial situation is far better than SA.

This flight will be a complete success!

Rgs,

[Edited 2008-12-18 15:37:06]

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