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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2147 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 8426 times:

Is TAM still operating with these aircraft?

I don't see them listed on their website, and I don't see them in the photo database.

I thought they were using them just as temporary lift until more widebodies arrive, but maybe they gave them back to AC already?

I can't imagine the aircraft are a great fit for TAM.

Has anyone flown on this aircraft for TAM before? And where is it/was it going?

Thanks

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User currently offlineIvo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8221 times:

Search the database and find lots of photo's from PT-MSN & PT-MSL.

Still in service.

Ivo


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3679 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8142 times:



Quoting AF022 (Thread starter):
Is TAM still operating with these aircraft?

Yes, they are being used for GRU-MXP, but will be transferred to GRU-JNB when it's launched next year.


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8128 times:

The search engine produced this result...

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...truecount=false&engine_version=6.0



A306, A313, A319, A320, A321, A332, A343, A345, A346 A388, AC90, B06, B722, B732, B733, B735, B738, B744, B762, B772, B7
User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 8084 times:

TAM uses the A345 to MXP, where they replaced the MD-11.

I believe we will see the A345 for quite some time in TAM's flleet.
They might be an overkill (range wise) on most routes, but as no better alternative is available (at short notice) and the long rumoured destination JNB might be announced next year they will continue to fly with TAM.

I flew both A345 they have and I must say I was not very impressed from how AC had configured the planes. The new A332 and 777 are much nicer.

BTW, does anybody know when the third 777 is due to be delivered?


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3679 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 8005 times:



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 4):
the long rumoured destination JNB

It's not a rumour anymore. It hasn't just been officially announced. TAM's CEO has mentioned JNB more than once in the last month.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7846 times:

I have not seen any recent shots of these aircraft, are they still in MX at VIE?


No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7661 times:



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 4):
I flew both A345 they have and I must say I was not very impressed from how AC had configured the planes. The new A332 and 777 are much nicer.

What was the problem with the layout? Were the seats uncomfortable? What does TAM have on the A332 and 777 that is better?


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3679 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7646 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 7):
What does TAM have on the A332 and 777 that is better?

I think he likea the new sliding C seats.


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7580 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 7):
What was the problem with the layout? Were the seats uncomfortable? What does TAM have on the A332 and 777 that is better?

The IFE system on the A332 and the 777 is much better (it's the same on both types, as are the seats). I like TAM's colours more than the green AC had chosen.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 8):
I think he likea the new sliding C seats.

On FRA-GRU I've been in C, on GRU-FRA in Y. The sliding seats are in fact very nice, but due to the fact that most times I'm in Y I really can't compare to other airlines. But somehow I believe that the C seats on Lufhansa offers more width. But maybe I just got bigger.


User currently offlineHaan From South Africa, joined Aug 2004, 289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7467 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 2):
Quoting AF022 (Thread starter):
Is TAM still operating with these aircraft?

Yes, they are being used for GRU-MXP, but will be transferred to GRU-JNB when it's launched next year.

Its strange they will not use the B777-300's on the GRU-JNB-GRU route.
The B777-300ER will have no problem over the South Atlantic ocean regard to
207min ETOPS. They can easily use a combination of FYWH/FHAW/SBGL.
But again, will they get approval to use 207min ETOPS.


The A340-500 is going to be expensive to operate on this short route. The A345
is made for long sectors, not short ones, that's why airlines got rid of them.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7452 times:

Quoting Haan (Reply 10):

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 2):
Quoting AF022 (Thread starter):
Is TAM still operating with these aircraft?

Yes, they are being used for GRU-MXP, but will be transferred to GRU-JNB when it's launched next year.

Its strange they will not use the B777-300's on the GRU-JNB-GRU route.
The B777-300ER will have no problem over the South Atlantic ocean regard to
207min ETOPS. They can easily use a combination of FYWH/FHAW/SBGL.
But again, will they get approval to use 207min ETOPS.


The A340-500 is going to be expensive to operate on this short route. The A345
is made for long sectors, not short ones, that's why airlines got rid of them.

I thought it was common knowledge that the A345 can lift an awful lot more payload out of JNB than the 77W can.

Also I dont think JJ has E207 approval so the A345 can take an ideal routing - the 77W may be restricted.

With the number of IFSDs of the GE90 these last few years crossing the Southern Ocean near to or even outside of ETOPS180 range would make me a little nervous.

Give me those four nice big rollers any day!

[Edited 2008-12-08 09:05:26]


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineHaan From South Africa, joined Aug 2004, 289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7387 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 11):
You know very well that the A345 can lift an awful lot more payload out of JNB than the 77W can.

What will the Schedule be for JNB-GRU


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10594 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

They used to fly the FRA route, I saw them regularly. Sadly the 77W have replaced them here now.

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7346 times:



Quoting Haan (Reply 12):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 11):
You know very well that the A345 can lift an awful lot more payload out of JNB than the 77W can.

What will the Schedule be for JNB-GRU

No idea, but afternoon to afternoon looks favourite I would guess.

Are they going to do it daily?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3679 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7171 times:



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 9):
The sliding seats are in fact very nice, but due to the fact that most times I'm in Y I really can't compare to other airlines.

So you didn't slide like everybody else? It's not a question of angle or no angle, but you do really slide.

Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 9):
The IFE system on the A332 and the 777 is much better

I do not care about IFE. But TAM's new one seems to be good.

Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 9):
I like TAM's colours more than the green AC had chosen.

Oh no, those fugly things? AC's is not ideal, but it does at least not hurt my eyes like TAM's.

Quoting Haan (Reply 10):

The A340-500 is going to be expensive to operate on this short route. The A345
is made for long sectors, not short ones, that's why airlines got rid of them.

TAM didn't lease the 345 for its range. It did because it was the best widebody they could find readily available.


User currently offlineIDISA From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6273 times:

Actually PT-MSN is flying GRU-MXP while PT-MSL is in VIE for C-check and should be released in the next few days.

Quoting AF022 (Thread starter):
I don't see them listed on their website, and I don't see them in the photo database.

Also the MD-11 wasn't... this means that probably these aircrafts will return one day to AC or will be sold to another airline (most probably since AC has switched to B77W)

Quoting AF022 (Thread starter):

I can't imagine the aircraft are a great fit for TAM.

In fact, both A345s have no F and C, in my opinion, isn't that great compared to C on their A332. They're also very expensive in terms of fuel (I was extremely surprised to notice that they burn more fuel than the MD-11 on the same route...) and underused for a 12hrs leg. They aren't that great also for cargo, on full-load flights space is limited to 4 pallets and the lack of hold 5 isn't that great for loading.


User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1303 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5798 times:

Does Asia it in the range from GRU? I know some Japanese who always complain about the long travel to Brasil. A direct flight would help I guess, especially for ff's of *A partner NA.


There's still a long way to go before all the alliances deserve a star...
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3679 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5665 times:



Quoting IDISA (Reply 16):
PT-MSL is in VIE for C-check and should be released in the next few days.

PT-MSL was ferried to CDG yesterday and is now on its way back to GRU as JJ8099.

Quoting IDISA (Reply 16):
Also the MD-11 wasn't... this means that probably these aircrafts will return one day to AC or will be sold to another airline (most probably since AC has switched to B77W)

JJ and AC have a 6-year leasing agreement until 2013, but it may be extended or already is extended until 2015.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5617 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 18):
PT-MSL was ferried to CDG yesterday and is now on its way back to GRU as JJ8099.

Were either painted into the new color scheme?



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3679 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5524 times:



Quoting Glareskin (Reply 17):
Does Asia it in the range from GRU?



Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 19):
Were either painted into the new color scheme?

I'm not sure.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 5344 times:



Quoting Glareskin (Reply 17):
Does Asia it in the range from GRU? I know some Japanese who always complain about the long travel to Brasil. A direct flight would help I guess, especially for ff's of *A partner NA.

Nothing in existence could fly non-stop GRU-NRT - at 11,489 sm.

They could do some interesting things with A345 - but honestly I think they are using its capabilities more to carry more cargo than to fly further.

I imagine with Brazil's aviation market being so strong, they'll keep in on a while. Since I doubt AC could get much money leasing it out elsewhere, and with 77L, have no use themselves for a fleet of two, they might give a good enough deal to make it worth TAM's while to keep it.

The more interesting thing is what will come of the MD-11s, which seem to be so well used by TAM, as well.



"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3679 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 5282 times:



Quoting Glareskin (Reply 17):
Does Asia it in the range from GRU?

For whatever reason my answer to that quotation disappeared. But what I wanted to say was that Southern Brazil and Japan lie on complete opposite points of the globe, so it is really not possible.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 5241 times:
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Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 21):
They could do some interesting things with A345 - but honestly I think they are using its capabilities more to carry more cargo than to fly further.

They should use their A345 to fly to Auckland. At the Star hub of AKL, passengers could then connect on :
- NZ to China, Japan and Australia
- TG and SQ to Southeast Asia
Whilst some fo these markets are covered like JL to Japan and KE to Korea, a JJ/NZ tie up would offer a very competitive Star Alliance option that currently does not exist.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3679 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4724 times:



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 23):
They should use their A345 to fly to Auckland.

I am a strong supporter of that route. It would certainly put AR out of business though. JJ would take all the Brazilian feed away and QF would take all SYD traffic.


25 AF022 : Is business on the A330 that much better than the A345?
26 MorcegoA330 : I'm also interested to know. Does anyone know? Thanks
27 C010T3 : In the next days.
28 LVZXV : There is something I do not understand here: I know that TAM has received two more A332s in the last couple of months or so, but why the hurry to dit
29 C010T3 : PT-MUC will arrive at around the same time. The thing is that Airbus is already delivering 332s that were only supposed to be delivered in January. I
30 LipeGIG : First of all sorry for the delay in contact you, i was in the middle of a very large transaction and even forgot to renew A.Net ! TAM is dealing with
31 PZ : Don't forget LAN... that will be a strong competition if JJ enters that route...
32 ZK-NBT : Yup thats what I think, NZ could code share to GRU with JJ and as you say NZ operate the Asia, Australia routes with JJ codeshare and also they can u
33 PZ : With LAN (SCL-AKL-SYD) great service ( I tried this route on LAN and it is great), now with Qantas (EZE-SYD), and if JJ enters also this route... I s
34 Planemanofnz : Yes, and LAN is currently updating their A340 cabins to the standard of their 767's with AVOD and the new Premium Business Class. However AR tend to
35 C010T3 : I'm not, but I think LA will sustain the route alright.
36 Java6673 : LIp, A340 is already back on services Regards
37 LipeGIG : Yes, i said up to 2 days ago. But thanks for the reminder. The problem is that nowadays the best action is to keep the current network. Any new "adve
38 C010T3 : I know, but JJ needs to expand as planned even amidst the crisis. It's the only way for them to regain market for the Brazilian airlines.
39 Viscount724 : EK uses the A345 on a few routes where they don't need the range including DXB-KIX, DXB-ZRH and some DXB-MUC flights. On DXB-KIX the 345 is probably
40 AF022 : Are EK's 345s more front heavy in terms of F and C seats than other aircraft?
41 Viscount724 : EK 345s have first class suites in a 1-2-1 layout and much better 2-2-2 business class seating than their 332s and 772s which even have very poor 7-a
42 SBGLexpat : Can you substantiate that? For what I know, the 77W can carry it's maximum payload (approx. 62 tonnes) from JNB on a 7 hour sector (35% more than an
43 LipeGIG : Agree in part. You can't rely on an economic situation where even market share will not come with good profits.
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