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KLM Has Started Rollout Of M11 Y-cabin PTV  
User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

Apparantly, KLM has started installing AVOD PTV in the MD-11 Y cabin.
During the coming weeks the entire MD-11 fleet will be fitted with PTV.

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User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

Good news for KLM and their passangers.
This means that KLM is still very serious about their MD-11 fleet and still sees future and revenue in them.



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User currently offlineLongHaul67 From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4270 times:

How much longer does KL intend to keep the MD-11?

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

There is nothing new about this. PH-KCG, the first MD11 to have been completely retrofitted, has been flying wiht AVOD PTVs in every seat for almost a year now. The rest of the fleet is being progressively retrofitted and the entire program should be completed by the end of the current winter schedule.

For now, the MD11 fleet is supposed to be kept until at least the end of 2012, and the last MD11 should be retired by 2015, but all of that is of course subject to change. The current economic downturn has already prompted KLM to make some adjustments to its fleet planning, and the first full passenger B744s are now slated for retirement in 2010 instead of the earlier planned 2012-2013. That is, of course, unless economic realities dictate otherswise once again.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2388 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

This is great news! I know it's been planned for a while, but these days nothing is certain, so I'm glad to see it is going through. It's unfortunate more airlines did not opt to keep the MD-11 around, and refit their fleets to remain competitive into the next decade. On the positive end, I'm glad the sole pax MD-11 airline is a reputable European carrier and not that of a third world nation.

Quoting LongHaul67 (Reply 2):
How much longer does KL intend to keep the MD-11?

IIRC, between 2012-2015. The fact the 747s are not receiving the same treatment may signal that KL will begin the phaseout of the jumbo before the tri-jets. I think this may have been mentioned in latest fleet renewal annoucement.



There's nothing quite like a trijet.
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4190 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4):
The fact the 747s are not receiving the same treatment may signal that KL will begin the phaseout of the jumbo before the tri-jets.

There was a weight issue that precluded KLM from adding the PTVs throughout the 747 cabins.

There have indeed been some changes as to the widebody fleet planning. As said above, some of the full passenger aircraft will be retired earlier than planned and replaced by additional B77Ws, which were originally destined for growth. PH-BFA and PH-BFB are now planned for retirement in 2010, and PH-BFG and PH-BFL shortly thereafter. The combi fleet, however, will likely stay a bit longer, and KLM plans to add the hard shell World Business Class to the 17 combis. So far, the hard shell product is only featured in the 2-strong B77W fleet.


User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 969 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Thats good to hear. I have an MD11 flight coming up in Jan... HYD-AMS. Hopefully it will have the new interior with the PTVs. Fingers crossed!


I've flown on 9V-SPK.
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20236 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3593 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4):
On the positive end, I'm glad the sole pax MD-11 airline is a reputable European carrier and not that of a third world nation.

Finnair still uses theirs.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2388 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3360 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Finnair still uses theirs.

Yes, but in a matter of months that will no longer be the case.



There's nothing quite like a trijet.
User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5762 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3329 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4):
the sole pax MD-11 airline

Think you might have left out the word "scheduled..."  Wink


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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3265 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 8):
Yes, but in a matter of months that will no longer be the case.

The last MD-11 is suppoused to leave AY fleet in the spring 2010.
It seems AY MD-11 will say good bye to JFK next April, their new A333 starting on the HEL-JFK route then.


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3121 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 9):


And even then, a certain fast-growing Brazilian operator might have a bone to pick...

Well, the last scheduled MD-11 flight on TAM will be CDG-GRU (JJ8097) on December 12th, that's only in three days!!!


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2388 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3076 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 9):
Think you might have left out the word "scheduled..."

I figured the implication was obvious. You'll be hard pressed to find many WO MD-11 TRs on here..



There's nothing quite like a trijet.
User currently offlineLH744 From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

So can anyone tell the registrations of the KLM MD-11 frames in addition to PH-KCG that are already retrofitted?

User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5762 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2773 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11):

Well, the last scheduled MD-11 flight on TAM will be CDG-GRU (JJ8097) on December 12th, that's only in three days!!!

 eyepopping  Things change when the economy goes downhill...

Thanks for the update.


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2679 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 14):
Things change when the economy goes downhill...

Thanks for the update.

Not exactly. JJ's MD-11s were part of a deal with Boeing. JJ was in a hurry, so Boeing offered the leasing of three MD-11s to sweeten the deal. The three frames would stay in JJ's fleet until 30 days past the delivery of a 77W. The third 77W is coming, so the MD-11 is going. Things are actually pretty loose at JJ these days, since Airbus is delivering two 332s in advance.


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1254 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2643 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4):
I'm glad the sole pax MD-11 airline is a reputable European carrier and not that of a third world nation.



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Finnair still uses theirs.

Beat me to it.



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