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KLM Has Started Rollout Of M11 Y-cabin PTV  
User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Apparantly, KLM has started installing AVOD PTV in the MD-11 Y cabin.
During the coming weeks the entire MD-11 fleet will be fitted with PTV.

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User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4231 times:

Good news for KLM and their passangers.
This means that KLM is still very serious about their MD-11 fleet and still sees future and revenue in them.



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User currently offlineLongHaul67 From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

How much longer does KL intend to keep the MD-11?

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

There is nothing new about this. PH-KCG, the first MD11 to have been completely retrofitted, has been flying wiht AVOD PTVs in every seat for almost a year now. The rest of the fleet is being progressively retrofitted and the entire program should be completed by the end of the current winter schedule.

For now, the MD11 fleet is supposed to be kept until at least the end of 2012, and the last MD11 should be retired by 2015, but all of that is of course subject to change. The current economic downturn has already prompted KLM to make some adjustments to its fleet planning, and the first full passenger B744s are now slated for retirement in 2010 instead of the earlier planned 2012-2013. That is, of course, unless economic realities dictate otherswise once again.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2331 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

This is great news! I know it's been planned for a while, but these days nothing is certain, so I'm glad to see it is going through. It's unfortunate more airlines did not opt to keep the MD-11 around, and refit their fleets to remain competitive into the next decade. On the positive end, I'm glad the sole pax MD-11 airline is a reputable European carrier and not that of a third world nation.

Quoting LongHaul67 (Reply 2):
How much longer does KL intend to keep the MD-11?

IIRC, between 2012-2015. The fact the 747s are not receiving the same treatment may signal that KL will begin the phaseout of the jumbo before the tri-jets. I think this may have been mentioned in latest fleet renewal annoucement.



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4093 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4):
The fact the 747s are not receiving the same treatment may signal that KL will begin the phaseout of the jumbo before the tri-jets.

There was a weight issue that precluded KLM from adding the PTVs throughout the 747 cabins.

There have indeed been some changes as to the widebody fleet planning. As said above, some of the full passenger aircraft will be retired earlier than planned and replaced by additional B77Ws, which were originally destined for growth. PH-BFA and PH-BFB are now planned for retirement in 2010, and PH-BFG and PH-BFL shortly thereafter. The combi fleet, however, will likely stay a bit longer, and KLM plans to add the hard shell World Business Class to the 17 combis. So far, the hard shell product is only featured in the 2-strong B77W fleet.


User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3732 times:

Thats good to hear. I have an MD11 flight coming up in Jan... HYD-AMS. Hopefully it will have the new interior with the PTVs. Fingers crossed!


I've flown on 9V-SPK.
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19414 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3496 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4):
On the positive end, I'm glad the sole pax MD-11 airline is a reputable European carrier and not that of a third world nation.

Finnair still uses theirs.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2331 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3263 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Finnair still uses theirs.

Yes, but in a matter of months that will no longer be the case.



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5316 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3232 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4):
the sole pax MD-11 airline

Think you might have left out the word "scheduled..."  Wink


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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3168 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 8):
Yes, but in a matter of months that will no longer be the case.

The last MD-11 is suppoused to leave AY fleet in the spring 2010.
It seems AY MD-11 will say good bye to JFK next April, their new A333 starting on the HEL-JFK route then.


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3682 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3024 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 9):


And even then, a certain fast-growing Brazilian operator might have a bone to pick...

Well, the last scheduled MD-11 flight on TAM will be CDG-GRU (JJ8097) on December 12th, that's only in three days!!!


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2331 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2979 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 9):
Think you might have left out the word "scheduled..."

I figured the implication was obvious. You'll be hard pressed to find many WO MD-11 TRs on here..



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineLH744 From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

So can anyone tell the registrations of the KLM MD-11 frames in addition to PH-KCG that are already retrofitted?

User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5316 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2676 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11):

Well, the last scheduled MD-11 flight on TAM will be CDG-GRU (JJ8097) on December 12th, that's only in three days!!!

 eyepopping  Things change when the economy goes downhill...

Thanks for the update.


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3682 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2582 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 14):
Things change when the economy goes downhill...

Thanks for the update.

Not exactly. JJ's MD-11s were part of a deal with Boeing. JJ was in a hurry, so Boeing offered the leasing of three MD-11s to sweeten the deal. The three frames would stay in JJ's fleet until 30 days past the delivery of a 77W. The third 77W is coming, so the MD-11 is going. Things are actually pretty loose at JJ these days, since Airbus is delivering two 332s in advance.


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1232 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2546 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4):
I'm glad the sole pax MD-11 airline is a reputable European carrier and not that of a third world nation.



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Finnair still uses theirs.

Beat me to it.



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