HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4450 posts, RR: 74 Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3853 times:
There is nothing new about this. PH-KCG, the first MD11 to have been completely retrofitted, has been flying wiht AVOD PTVs in every seat for almost a year now. The rest of the fleet is being progressively retrofitted and the entire program should be completed by the end of the current winter schedule.
For now, the MD11 fleet is supposed to be kept until at least the end of 2012, and the last MD11 should be retired by 2015, but all of that is of course subject to change. The current economic downturn has already prompted KLM to make some adjustments to its fleet planning, and the first full passenger B744s are now slated for retirement in 2010 instead of the earlier planned 2012-2013. That is, of course, unless economic realities dictate otherswise once again.
TrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2169 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3843 times:
This is great news! I know it's been planned for a while, but these days nothing is certain, so I'm glad to see it is going through. It's unfortunate more airlines did not opt to keep the MD-11 around, and refit their fleets to remain competitive into the next decade. On the positive end, I'm glad the sole pax MD-11 airline is a reputable European carrier and not that of a third world nation.
IIRC, between 2012-2015. The fact the 747s are not receiving the same treatment may signal that KL will begin the phaseout of the jumbo before the tri-jets. I think this may have been mentioned in latest fleet renewal annoucement.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4450 posts, RR: 74 Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3810 times:
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4): The fact the 747s are not receiving the same treatment may signal that KL will begin the phaseout of the jumbo before the tri-jets.
There was a weight issue that precluded KLM from adding the PTVs throughout the 747 cabins.
There have indeed been some changes as to the widebody fleet planning. As said above, some of the full passenger aircraft will be retired earlier than planned and replaced by additional B77Ws, which were originally destined for growth. PH-BFA and PH-BFB are now planned for retirement in 2010, and PH-BFG and PH-BFL shortly thereafter. The combi fleet, however, will likely stay a bit longer, and KLM plans to add the hard shell World Business Class to the 17 combis. So far, the hard shell product is only featured in the 2-strong B77W fleet.
Not exactly. JJ's MD-11s were part of a deal with Boeing. JJ was in a hurry, so Boeing offered the leasing of three MD-11s to sweeten the deal. The three frames would stay in JJ's fleet until 30 days past the delivery of a 77W. The third 77W is coming, so the MD-11 is going. Things are actually pretty loose at JJ these days, since Airbus is delivering two 332s in advance.