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Question About DC-10 Safety  
User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2341 times:
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Since the DC-10 came into service many years ago, it has been labelled a dangerous aircraft by a lot of people after several crashed such as the Turkish airlines crash at Paris and United airlines flight 232 in Iowa but these crashes were due to different events. Was there a design flaw in the DC-10 or what? Personally i think it is an excellent airctaft.

What do you people think?


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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4191 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

There were originally some design problems in the original -10 series...but the -30 and -40 series aircraft are very very safe, and as far as i know have a near perfect safety record.


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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

You could write a book about the design flaws with the original DC-10 design, but to the credit of McDonnell Douglas they not only corrected them in the later series of aircraft but completely eradicated them in the MD-11 design. That was a quality engineering outfit, albeit not the most economical one!  Smile

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2248 times:

The P&W JT9D powered 40 series that was only ordered by Northwest and Japan Airlines has the excellent safety record over all of the other DC-10 models.

User currently offlineB767-400er From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2000, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2227 times:

B747-437B: just to countinue your post.

... Then MD screwed Md-11 all up with the 40% smaller stablizer, and a little less range, than expected. LOL.  Wink/being sarcastic

Tony,
B767-400er


User currently offlineILoVeA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

DC-10 is a great safe plane. When ever I fly I try to book on one.

User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

As I recall then AA ceo Robert CrAAndell said that he was completly dissappointed because The plane could not fly a full payload to it's expected destination and guzzled way too much gas as well. Wall ST Journal did a report on it's safety record in the late September 2000 issue. The MD-11 had an inciden/accident rating worse than the DC-10 and was equivelant to the DC-8 and 707 after only 9 years of service!!! FEDEX pilots I talked to from EWR, ANC and MEM had called it the Scud, Mega Death 11 and the Deathstar and actually went back to flying A300s, DC-10s and 727s to avoid that plane. The plane according to DL, AA and FEDEX pilots was too damn sensitve becase of the smaller rudder and stabilizer and that you needed a fighter pilot's mentality to fly it. The problem was so bad that Delta execs wanted an MD techinican in the flightdeck with the pilots during the first month of revenue service. The 11 was so unpopular that it sold much less than the DC-10 in terms of passenger liners.


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User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2137 times:
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They did write a book on the DC-10's safety problems: It's called The Rise and Fall of the DC-10... pretty interesting read!



User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3700 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2135 times:
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TEDSKI,

You aren't by any chance a tabloid journalist ? You are very economical with the facts, you seem to have overlooked the fact that far fewer -40's were built than all the other models, consequently they will be involved in less incidents.


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

True, the 40 series was less popular, but I believe the reason the 30 series was more popular with airlines is due to the fact that airlines had other CF6 powered aircraft (like Lufthansa & KLM did), such as the 747, A300, & A310 to share the same engine commonality.

User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2092 times:

the 40 series was more or less a domestic version as NWA uses the 30 for international flights to AMS, DEL, BOM and other places. The 40 was used in the US. Why was the 40 so unpopular?


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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2992 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2091 times:
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the big reason the -40 was less popular than the -30 is that is didnt have the range and it was more expensive.
JAL and NWA had reasons for wanting a PW powered DC-10, mostly so it would be less of an oddball (both had JT9 powered 747s).

the -30 had enough range to make routes like LAX-HKG if need be. the -40 struggles to make LAX-NRT.



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2073 times:

No DC-10 has the range to make LAX-HKG nonstop. LAX-NRT is pushing the DC-10's range.

User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4780 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Cba, LAX-HKG is possible on the DC-10-30 with a reduced load, the distance is about 6000nm. Canadi>n operated regularly YVR-HKG and YYZ-NRT with the DC-10, distance is about 5600nm.

User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

I work at Fedex as a mechanic and never encountered a crew calling the MD11 the scud, deathstar etc.


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User currently offlineEjaymd11 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

I agree with B747-437B. Douglas did a good job correcting the DC-10. I think if Mr. Stonceipher had concentrated on improving the company and correcting the MD-11 problems, and not giving the company to Boeing. It would have given the 777, A340 and 330 a run for the money like it did at the begining.

But this is just my oppinion.
ejaymd11


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

FDXmech; I don't know the exact date but try locating the link to the Wall St Journal published late September 2000. You'll see on what I'm talking about.


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