HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9185 times:
While I am not saying that the new route announcement will indeed be about KLM, the announcement of such a service is supposedly imminent. KLM is indeed believed to be in the final stages of announcing Calgary as its next destination. The announcement would have likely come earlier but the latest economic developments have prompted a review of the entire longhaul network over the past 2 months. I do not know what is the outcome of this review, but, if a new longhaul destination is announced, YYC should be the one.
Yegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1678 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9108 times:
KLM served YYC in the past. My dad flew that route once or twice a year.....(used to connect from Edmonton municipal on those CP F28....)
I think that would be an overlkil!!! LH, BA and KL in addition to the AC service to FRA and LHR!!!
Yegger From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8944 times:
I think that would be an overlkil!!! LH, BA and KL in addition to the AC service to FRA and LHR!!!
Who will be filling these planes???[/quote]
If this is true, then hopefully YEG is involved (YYC-YEG-AMS or YEG-YYC-AMS). We shall see.....
I don't think there is an issue with the bilateral, as Martinair served both cities up until 2 years ago (perhaps it's the difference between scheduled and charter/scheduled?). Then again, if Martinair pulled out, can KLM actually do well on this route, especially considering the other competition to Europe, the current world economic conditions, and most importantly in Alberta - the price of oil? KLM did serve YYC-AMS up until about 1995 or so.
Evolv From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8856 times:
i just tried to get a flight out of calgary to fra in january and everything was booked in coach, just business seats remained, i didn't check LHR cause I didn't want to fly through LHR. So obviously they are still filling seats out of YYC, not sure if that warrents a new route, just saying though
Yegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1678 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8783 times:
Quoting Evolv (Reply 6): i just tried to get a flight out of calgary to fra in january and everything was booked in coach, just business seats remained
Airline Business 101 = You must fill those business seats to make a profit!!!
Recently, LH changed equipment on the YYC flight to an A340 = less business seats and more coach.
Which means they aren't selling as many business seats as they would want.
Look...if YYC gets KLM back...good for them. I am just not too sure how much extra capacity can YYC handle
DALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 455 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8750 times:
Quoting LJ (Reply 8): Is there any cargo demand out of Calgary?
With the oil industry hitting it off in the area the demand for cargo has increased big time. The demand for outsized cargo, main deck load, is even bigger.
Zanair flight, please hold on finals as we have to clear rhino's off the runway. Next flight: AMS-FRA-SIN-FRA-AMS
C172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 979 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8734 times:
I remember when I was younger seeing those blue KLM tails here at YYC. I believe my grandparents even used them to get to Italy on one occasion. It would be great to see them back again!
Flyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4930 posts, RR: 53 Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8676 times:
Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 7): Airline Business 101 = You must fill those business seats to make a profit!!!
Recently, LH changed equipment on the YYC flight to an A340 = less business seats and more coach.
Which means they aren't selling as many business seats as they would want.
Look...if YYC gets KLM back...good for them. I am just not too sure how much extra capacity can YYC handle
Airline Business 101 = hiring educated workforce to make comprehensive and exhaustive analysis of the market place to determine opportunities for incremental profit
In this case AF/KL are the most profitable airline group, so their track record is pretty good. Therefore I think its fairly evident that they see potential.
Yegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1678 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8595 times:
Flyyul...what's the source of the press conference? and when?
Axio From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 307 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8576 times:
Quoting DALCA (Reply 9): With the oil industry hitting it off in the area the demand for cargo has increased big time. The demand for outsized cargo, main deck load, is even bigger.
C172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 979 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8475 times:
I found the info on Marketwire.com:
Press conference is tomorrow at 10am YYC time to announce a new INTERNATIONAL airline. The mayor will be there, plus senior executives of the international airline in question.
Also noticed on the YYC website there is a press release stating they are now offering free wireless internet in the terminal. That's a nice option for travelers - the days of paying for wireless in terminals may be coming to an end.
Connector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 921 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8279 times:
During winter KL runs AMS to YVR only five times weekly. No service on Thu and Sat. Possible KLM could use same aircraft offering AMS-YYC or AMS-YYC-YVR on those days? I think Air Transat will resume its non-stop YYC to AMS sometimes in early spring though.
BO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2759 posts, RR: 20 Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8243 times:
Oh Snap!!
Bring back the Flying Dutchman!
It really does seem overkill that we get extensive service from AC and even TS with summer charters. Adding onto the international carriers which just only got online over the last 2 years BA, LH and now possibly KL. This is awesome.
Oh and MX this spring.
What other airlines did YYC get back in the 80s? Any asian carriers?
Sounds like all the airlines back in the days pulled out and are now slowly coming back in.
Is this a deja vu?
Expanding my global domination one spotter at a time..
Fly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 964 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8198 times:
Could it not be an actual East Asian airline operating non charter services on a regular basis especially now with open skies negotiations that just concluded with Korea? Just a guess... but seems like the rumours are strong on KL.
Emirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 10 Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8023 times:
Could it be EK somehow!
The Truth is Out There ---- Face It!!!!!
25 Evolv: Not likely I won't go as far as saying the bilateral won't allow it, but i think they would have to swap YYZ frequencies for YYC frequencies Say ya i
26 Ktachiya: As many others say, all those European carriers to YYC seems like an overkill to me. What amazes me is how BA, LH and the likes can keep serving YVR a
27 Evolv: As BA found out not going daily leads to the routes demise. Not saying they won't start with less than daily just that I do not think it will last tha
28 Scrumpy492003: Both BA and Air Canada are now using B767's to LHR from YYC. Martinair flew into here last Summer, Wednesdays I believe, regular flights. KLM used to
29 VonRichtofen: AC is operating YYC-LHR with A330-300 at the moment. The YYC-FRA flight is 767-300
30 BO__einG: ^ Looking forward to tomorrow. It does makes sense that KLM would be the probable airline making this big announcement but it could be anybody. So far
31 Wjv04: If it is indeed KLM, anyone care to speculate on which A/C type were gonna see. I got my bet on A330. Although Id be thrilled to see the MD-11, howeve
32 Geo772: It is unlikely that BA will put the 777 back onto YYC in the immediate future, the schedule for the remainder of the winter and next summer show a 76
33 C172Akula: As VonRichtofen pointed out AC is using the A333 at the moment, but I believe they are switching it up to the 77W in the coming weeks over the winter
34 Jamincan: AF isn't allowed service to YYC, but KLM is. Perhaps you were thinking of KLM to YEG, which I don't believe is allowed. I believe the only airport th
35 Yegbey01: Well, with the new bilateral agreement between Canada and the EU....anything is possible now!!!!! So, the sky's the limit as to what the possibilities
36 CastropRauxel: Was it 333?? what happened to the good old days of 747...
37 C172Akula: Another forum has a poster reporting that it is KLM 5x weekly starting May 2009.
38 Bakersdozen: It's official http://www.calgaryherald.com/resumes...sterdam+flights/1052549/story.html KLM resumes service in May
39 WJV04: No mention of equipment. Flight does not appear to be loaded in NWA/KLM website. Anyone have any info?
40 C172Akula: The KLM release that is now making its way onto the web is indicating this flight will be operated with the A332.
41 Tuffer: Flight information - The first flight to Calgary (YYC) will depart on 3 May 2009 from Amsterdam - The scheduled services will be operated five times a
42 BO__einG: sweet! It is around just in time for prime time spotting! A332 is good enough for me! I still remember when as a kid seeing the 747-300, -400 and the
43 Behramjee: It will be vvv hard to match their prices and especially low taxes! Seems like from their schedule their main focus are to key "oil/gas markets" such
44 Bakersdozen: I think a title change is in order to remove the "speculation"
45 WJV04: Anyone else find the coincidence with a AMS flight arriving at 1620?
46 Viscount724: KL never served YEG-AMS (CP Air/Canadian Airlines did, starting in 1955), but KL did serve YOW which is missing in the list. They were operating YOW-
47 Bakersdozen: Here's a link to the press release statement on YYC's airport page http://www.calgaryairport.com/fts/getfile.cfm?FID=11915 Interesting how they say "K
48 NW: This is the first KL flight announced with no NW flight number. Wonder why there was no mention of a DL flight number?
49 Joost: None of the Canada-AMS flights carry a NW flight number. That is because NW has no traffic rights between Canada and the Netherlands. Yes, they do se
50 BrightCedars: Having BA, LH and AF/KL serving the destination seems to make sense to me. Via their respective hubs they cover the very dense local catchment areas,
51 LarSPL: question remains,. which A332 destination is going to switch to triple 7 to free up airbus equipment for the Calgary route..
52 Pnwtraveler: Now other members of the alliance can connect their traffic from the states immediately below Alberta to Amsterdam and connect onward. Has to be easie
53 Bobnwa: Correct, they do not carry NW flight numbers but they are joint venture flights in that NW/KL split revenue and costs as do all other flights from No
54 HB-IWC: Compared to Summer 2008, NBO will no longer receive the A332, so that's where the A332 capacity is coming from.
55 NW: The current KL flights do carry a NW flight number. 11DEC-TH-1201A YYZ AMS ** ** 1NX*DIR END ***YYZ MOVED TO TERMINAL 3***/ALL NW/KL NORTH AMERICA EU
56 Viscount724: I think you'll find that's not correct. A quick check shows NW flight numbers on all KL Canada-AMS flights, and presumably the same applies westbound
57 413X3: So a KLM crew uses the call sign Northwest? and visa versa? I seriously doubt that
58 WILCO737: The NW flight number is just the codeshare flight number. KL672 is the flight number and I am sure the callsign as well. WILCO737 (MD11F)
59 LarSPL: its as Wilco said, however we did started using different callsings. After a trial with alphanumerics for international flights, where they tried to a
61 NW: All flights between North America and AMS, with the exception of MEX, have both a KL and NW flight number. This is for marketing purposes; call signs
62 ETStar: While I am sure it benefits most, I hate how KL's services to the west coast of North America return to AMS too late for passengers to make morning co
63 C172Akula: Very true, and it is really quite good for those of us travelling to Germany on business. We can leave YYC early in the day and arrive with a full da
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