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E-Jets. What A Letdown.  
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5154 posts, RR: 21
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 15004 times:

Not trying to turn this into a trip report, but I flew STL-PIT-(RIC weather diversion)-DCA, DCA-CLT-STL this weekend.

STL-PIT: ERJ-145 TransStates.
PIT-(RIC)-DCA: CRJ-200 Air Wisonsin
DCA-CLT: 319 US mainline
CLT-STL: Republic E175

Seat 7A on all flights.

I took the indirect routing to experience 3 new types for me: CRJ, 319, E175.

I'm 5'11, 190lbs, average sized guy. The seats on the ERJ and CRJ were a tad narrow but not uncomfortable. 319 was what I expected, similar to Boeing narrowbodies. But I got to the E175 expecting something wonderful based on various opinions on here, at least compared to the smaller RJs.

What do I get? What seems to be an inch more width and a rock hard seat that felt like a park bench.

Am I missing something here? I fail to see what's so darn great about them...

By the way, my first experience on US as well and much to my surprise....the service and employees were perfectly acceptable!


Next Up: STL-EWR-STL for my first mileage run!
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User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 680 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14920 times:

I cannot say anything about the airline you used, but I am a great fan of AC's E190s. I am actually going out of my way to catch flights on them. The seats are great, full AVOD IFE, and plenty of space. I am about 6' and 195 lbs, and think the AC E190s may be one of the best rides around. No middle seats - only window and aisle. The seats are easily as large and with comparable pitch to any narrowbody (e.g., A320 or 737) product in Y class out there. Sufficient overhead bin space. As a matter of fact, I would prefer a leg on an E190 to one on an A319 or the like. The one minor drawback is that the selection of food seems to be smaller. But since one has to buy the stuff on AC in Y class, I prefer bring-your-own anyway.

In any case, at least AC's E190s are a world apart from standard RJs (Emb or CRJ) or even turboprops. Maybe it depends a lot on the airline, but for me the new Embraers are among the best innovations in air travel in a long time.



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User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14899 times:

I just rode on a Compass E175 and I also found the "slim line" seats to be not living up to the hype. There is a complete lack of padding in the things. Other than that, though, I found the E-jet to be very nice!

User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4303 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14830 times:

The interiors are not aircraft specific but are airline specific. Each airline has it own type of seat and has nothing to do with the aircraft.

[Edited 2008-12-08 19:32:43]


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User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14672 times:
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Quoting OzarkD9S (Thread starter):
But I got to the E175 expecting something wonderful based on various opinions on here

I really don't know what you were expecting, but I've flown E-170s (Shuttle America) E-175s (Republic and Air Canada) and E-190s (Air Canada and JetBlue). Air Canada's E jets have seatback IFE and kneeroom galore. Republic probably has the most chairs per plane, but nevertheless, I'm 6'1" and fit without squishing.

If you're expecting 'Oil Baron First Class' on an E jet, forget it.

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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6663 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14624 times:

I have flown expressjet out of EWR several times and have thought that while the E145 has great take off and climb performance, the comforts of the ERJs are pretty bad. Forget the seats, what about ceiling height and overheads? It's pathetic when someone over the height of 5'10" has to dip his head down to walk through the cabin. It happens to me all the time. Also having to gate check anything that is a size bigger than a small duffle bag is just a hassle.

And the seats, while leather uncomfortable as well. All i've flown is PWM-EWR several times. But could you imagine OMA/OKC-EWR? Forget it, I'll take the risk and connect in ORD.



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14593 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Thread starter):
What do I get? What seems to be an inch more width and a rock hard seat that felt like a park bench.

That is where you get more room than the Boeings and Airbus. Width.

Quoting N353SK (Reply 2):
I just rode on a Compass E175 and I also found the "slim line" seats to be not living up to the hype.

Slim line is carrier specific and already in some Airbus and Boeing equipment. Passenger review is about on par with what you said here.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14584 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 6):
I have flown expressjet out of EWR several times and have thought that while the E145 has great take off and climb performance, the comforts of the ERJs are pretty bad

Sure. The E145 isn't an E-Jet, though. I think all those things you mentioned are resolved between the two.

I think the E-Jets are far more comfortable than most domestic 737s, and certainly than any other RJ on the market. That being said, sure they're not more comfortable than a jetBlue A320.

NS


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6663 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14568 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 8):
I think the E-Jets are far more comfortable than most domestic 737s, and certainly than any other RJ on the market. That being said, sure they're not more comfortable than a jetBlue A320.

Oh true, my bad. When users say e-jets i tend to think they mean the embraer regional jets in general. I've actually never flown on the 170/190 yet.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14441 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 3):
The interiors are not aircraft specific but are airline specific. Each airline has it own type of seat and has nothing to do with the aircraft.

Not on the Ejet. The seats are all manufactured by the same company. The only real option is the IFE and leather color.. Same holds true with the cabin...

Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 5):
Air Canada's E jets have seatback IFE and kneeroom galore. Republic probably has the most chairs per plane,

Seat pitch is exactly the same on all Ejets.



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14428 times:

If you guys think the seats in the back are bad, you should try the ones up front. God they're awful.


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14372 times:

The most uncomfortable seat I ever flew on was this airplane:


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An almost brandnew airplane had a seat that felt like a 50 year-old worn out sofa pillow. I not only sank to the bottom of the cushion, but the leather had me sliding out the entire flight! Had it not been for the seat belt, I would have slid onto the floor. I have NEVER been so anxious to get off a plane as this one!!

The worst part is, it was a brand new aircraft.

However, every ExpressJet airplane I ever flew had extraordinarily comfortable seats. Same plane, same seat, different comfort level.

It's all about what the airline chooses to install.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14325 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 10):
Seat pitch is exactly the same on all Ejets.

That is DEFINITELY not true.

NS


User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14204 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 10):
Seat pitch is exactly the same on all Ejets.

You really have to be careful with the word "all."

For instance, the E-135, E-140, and E-145 are different fuselages from the E-170, E-175, E190, and E-195.

The interiors are, therefore, very different.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14138 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Thread starter):
What do I get? What seems to be an inch more width and a rock hard seat that felt like a park bench.

Am I missing something here? I fail to see what's so darn great about them...

The rock hard seat is the choice of the airline, not the fault of the aircraft.

For example, I don't blame Boeing for DL's choice of hard seats with uncomfortable leather, because I've flown on other carriers with more padding and a more breathable fabric cover, on the same aircraft type.



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User currently offlineERJ135 From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 681 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14036 times:

I never thought I would hear such negative comments about such a brilliant aircraft.
Fortunately Embraer can not be held accountable because they just build the aircraft and not the seats or IFE and don't supply the service or food either.

Based on these comments I could say the same of my first experience on a 777, A trip that could not end soon enough. It was not however Boeings fault as there was nothing wrong with the 777-300 I flew on, however the airline concerned failed miserably with seat choice. Funny enough the best Y seat I ever had was with the same airline but on a much smaller aircraft. Hmmmmmm!



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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13948 times:

I flew on Mokulele's E170 (Shuttle America's), and it had 6 1st class & 64 coach seats, and found the seats very comfortable with ample leg room. I also felt the seats were a tad wider too.

MW's CEO Bill Boyer is 6'2", and he told me that even coach seats on their E170s were comfortable for him, which is why he chose that seating layout.



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User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13345 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 10):
Seat pitch is exactly the same on all Ejets.

If you visit seatguru.com and look up the E175 on Air Canada, you'll see it says 32-34 inch seat pitch. US Airways E175 is 31-32. Very different...

I've flown on many RJ's and really enjoy the E175/190 on AC. This past week I flew on Mesa's CRJ200 and my seat was broken sort of. The bottom of the cushion is held by a flexible woven material that had sagged, so I felt like I had to slouch the whole flight. Lucky for me it was a short one.

They did a good job. It is no first class, but well above the standards on the little RJ's. Being 6', I always am pressed for leg room.


User currently offlineACdreamliner From UK - Scotland, joined May 2005, 519 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12627 times:

i'm 6'1 and over 300lbs and flew on flybe's 195 last year without any problems at all. more than enough room to move and plenty of leg room. i would recommend them to anyone (just watch out for the dash 8-'q?' 400. or the LAF8 as one of my non-aviation mates called it, referring to it being loud as f... well you get the picture...


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12271 times:

In general, I do find the E-Jets to be among the best smaller planes out there. I can't say I have flown on the airline you selected - and therefore I cannot comment on their seats - but the aircraft itself is great!

Based on my experience on JetBlue's E190s, you never forget you are on a smaller plane when compared to, say, an A320 or 737 (nevermind a 767 or something larger). The lav space is going to be tight but I've found overhead luggage room to be acceptable and I love the giant windows! I never got to fly in a Vickers Viscount, but the large windows in that aircraft come to mind every time I sit in an E-Jet (even though the Viscount's windows were much larger). Performance and sound level are comparable to the aforementioned narrowbodied jetliners - however you definitely feel like you are on a smaller plane, especially during turbulence or a tight pattern on approach.

In summary, I'd gladly choose any E-Jet over any CRJ/ERJ but for a longer flight, I guess it depends on the airline and the comfort level of the seats they chose.



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4303 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11792 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 6):
I have flown expressjet out of EWR several times and have thought that while the E145 has great take off and climb performance, the comforts of the ERJs are pretty bad. Forget the seats, what about ceiling height and overheads?



Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 14):
the E-135, E-140, and E-145

These are not E jets but ERJ. They are possibly the worst aircraft I have ever flown and that includes a DHC-Beaver float plane up in the NWT.

The entry way makes you have to hunch over and I cannot stand up straight in these aircraft. The seats must have been designed for the Munchkins in OZ because that's about all the room you have. The washrooms are a joke, just be thankful you will probably never have to fly on one long enough to have need of the facilities. Don't even think of bringing any carry on luggage as there are no places big enough to store it except under the seat in front of you, which the gives you absolutely no room for your feet. In short, no pun intended, these planes are horrible.

On the other hand I have flown very comfortably on the E-175 and the E190 of AC and they are worlds apart. With ample leg room and comfortable seats they are really nice to travel in for two or three hours.



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User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11695 times:

As I recall , Republics e170 's are not as comfortablwe as shuttle america ,,,US vs UA perhaps??!!

User currently offlineA10WARTHOG From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11495 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 21):
The washrooms are a joke, just be thankful you will probably never have to fly on one long enough to have need of the facilities.

I find you have more room in a ERJ lav then on the common lav you find on a 737,757,767 or 777


User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11397 times:

Given the choice, I'll take an E170/175/190 over a CRJ-700 or -900. The bigger CRJs aren't too bad, but the E-Jets seem more spacious & feel more like a mainline jet.

Similarly, I'll take an ERJ-135 or 145 any day of the week over a CRJ-200. Never have been much of a fan of the original CRJs. The windows that even I myself have to lean down to look out of at 5'5" have been a pet peeve of mine.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11228 times:

I've only had 3 experiences with the E-jets (twice w/US Express (Republic) (1-170 & 1-175) and once with NW (Compass E-175)) and the seats were essentially the same type except maybe the color of the leather.

To me, while the seat cushions were thin, it was certainly a lot more comfortable than seats on NW's DC-9s and A319s/320s. Those have to be the worst in terms of padding IMHO; HP's A320s are a close second.

One attractive feature on the E-jet seats (at least on the ones I've ridden) was the adjustable headrests (that can be raised). In many respects, this feature allows one to rest their head completely on the cushion.

My concern/beef is with the dual-class configuration on, at least, the Compass planes. The positioning of all the Coach Class seats with respect to the windows is completely off. If one wants to look out the window, they either have to lean forward of backwards to do so. Do the US E-190 seats (which operate as mainline and also have dual-class seating) do similar?

This was NOT an issue on the single-class Republic planes (operating as US Express). I have since issued a comment to SeatGuru.com about the Compass seating. I'm not 100% sure if the site has been updated as of yet to reflect my comment.



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25 Swacle : I have just 1 leg on an E75 with Republic (PHL-BTV) and I loved it. I am a larger guy (5'8", 240) and the extra inch or so of width makes a huge diff
26 Oa260 : I have flown on BE and LO in the E jets and have to say I love them. I hate the CRJ's. I would have no issue flying on the Ejets.
27 KGAIflyer : A Beaver????? Okay, I'm going to call you out on this one. Granted you have to stoop in an **E-135** if you're tall, but you can't even stand up in a
28 Cubsrule : I've only sat in the exit row on the E90s, but the window there isn't especially well-aligned (it's pretty far forward), which make me think that the
29 KGAIflyer : But that's a function of how an airline chooses to configure its planes. That's why on one airline you can place the flat of your hand between your k
30 Skymiler : Flew DL Connection (Shuttle America) TLH -> ATL 2 days ago -- was VERY impressed. Found it airy and comfortable. The CRJ-900 comes close, but seems na
31 Cubsrule : I've not argued differently...
32 Aerlingusa330 : This is a result of flying on Republic. They've got the best service of any component of US Airways, and maybe of all regional carriers.
33 Kaitak : It's a long time since I've flown on a CRJ, but I love the E-jets; I used to fly on the Flybe 146s, which were awful bloody things; six abreast - eek
34 TVNWZ : Lately, I have flown Republic's E-170s that they have working at YX. I find the seats to be a big improvement over the standard 717, MD-80, coach sea
35 ViasaMSY : I just had my first three flights on USAir's E-190. What an incredibly great experience that was. I would go out my way to fly the E-190 again. I have
36 PHLBOS : Since the E-190 is essentially a stretched variant of the E-170/175; what was it that made the E-170/175 cramped and claustrophobic compared to the E
37 OzarkD9S : Well I flew TransStates, Air Wisconsin, US mainline and Republic in 3 days and the level of service on all four was professional and consistent, but
38 Cubsrule : I think free drinks during IROPS might be (US) company policy. It's happened to me on YV.
39 Post contains images Brilondon : Of course that goes for every aircraft.  I had a lot of fun flyng in the Beaver, it is pure flying and the seats were more comfortable. I suppose yo
40 OzarkD9S : Good customer relations whatever the reason. There were only 7 pax on board, and since they had to fuel up in RIC to get us back to DCA what's a few
41 PlaneInsomniac : This is to a certain degree subjective. However, while seat pitch and seat quality depend on the airline, the E190's cabin is clearly wider and highe
42 OzarkD9S : Of course, it's almost completely subjective. Everyone has a different opinion and I'm basing mine on ONE flight. There is, in MY opinion, a large ga
43 KochamLOT : Ejets are so good because.... Wider cabin Either aisle or window seat Large, well positioned windows Airy and modern cabin
44 PanAm788 : [quote=OzarkD9S,reply=0]Am I missing something here? I fail to see what's so darn great about them...[/quote I think the reason people are obsessed wi
45 KGAIflyer : No, it's more than that. Back in 2005, a friend of mine who has more money than brains suggested taking a float plane back to Vancouver from Nanaimo
46 Mrocktor : Wider seats than A320 and 737 as well (except first class). United A320 (Econ/Econ+): 18" width US Airways A320 (Coach): 18" width AA 738 (Economy Cl
47 Brilondon : That is too bad that your flight was tarnished with the turbulence but do you think that it was the plane that caused you to get sick? If it were a C
48 Eightball : On SV, I've flown on the E-170 twice, once from RUH to DOH and the other time from JED to DOH. While it's worth noting that economy class on SV is sat
49 Glareskin : Of course you have the right to your own opinion but IMO you compare apples to oranges. First the comparison with the A319 is wrong as this is a diff
50 Heathrow : I've used AC's E190's and E175's multiple times, aswell as NW. The seats have to do with the airline you're on. I especially love the 2-2 configuratio
51 Cubsrule : Therein lies part of the problem, I think. The E-Jets are without peer... They can't really be compared to their 50 seat or their mainline siblings.
52 Richierich : Right. They are used on short routes generally considered the domain of traditional RJs but also on medium-haul routes (generally the domain of DC-9s
53 Tango-Bravo : ?: As in, to paraphrase the words a flight attendant on a DH8 Q400 flight of 1.5 hours once said, when giving the usual general information, when he
54 Contrails15 : I love flying on the E-190, packing it is a whole nother story but I would think the 175 would be similar.
55 OzarkD9S : I wasn't comparing the E-Jets to the 319, but rather the smaller RJ's. And in terms of overall comfort, the E's are much closer IMO to the RJ's than
56 Luv2cattlecall : It is?
57 Cubsrule : I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I assume he meant that there's only one way to do an all-Y EJet, so seat pitch should be identical on tho
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