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CO To Test Flight Bio-Fuel On Jan 7th  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Read it on our daily news update today at work, and here's a story from MSNBC on it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28113574/

Maybe the first step in reducing JetA in commercial airlienrs? I'm not smart enough to know the answer to that, but I'm sure a few of you would want to talk about it.  Smile

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User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

That will be quite interesting! I hope they get the efficiency and performance figures they are hoping for. However, even if it is a complete success, I'm sure there will be plenty of hoops to jump through for the industry as a whole before it is completely adapted.


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Just saw it on the CO website a few minutes ago! Wonder if these flights will come out of IAH for the approvals or from the HOU maintenance facility?

GO CO, WORK HARD FLY RIGHT!



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User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Does anyone know if any engine modifications are being performed for this fligth and to what extent?

Thanks.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

I wonder how this compares to the 100% bio-degradable jet fuel that UND developed.


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User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

This may be a stupid question: why don't fuels such as Ethanol/JetA or Methanol/JetA used? BOth methanol and ethanol are quite common in race cars. And lastly, how about fuels such as LPG / Natural Gas (i know gas is harder to transport, easy to leak etc.) but other than that?


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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

Great job by CO, saw this on the news this afternoon. Some free publicity  Wink

Well didnt VS do something similar a while ago??



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2196 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
Well didnt VS do something similar a while ago??

Yes, both VS and NZ have/going to look into running tests with bio-fuel.

Virgin Atlantic flies biofuel-powered jumbo jet

Air New Zealand to conduct biofuel trial project

I assume these carriers team with Boeing to run these tests. I wonder if Airbus has a similar program.

Good to hear CO stepping up and start testing with this.



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User currently offlinePdxcessna206 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2187 times:



Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 5):
This may be a stupid question: why don't fuels such as Ethanol/JetA or Methanol/JetA used? BOth methanol and ethanol are quite common in race cars. And lastly, how about fuels such as LPG / Natural Gas (i know gas is harder to transport, easy to leak etc.) but other than that?

Among other things:

It is about the caloric content of the fuel. Generally, ethanol has a lower caloric content than regular fuel (especially in cars) leading to poor efficiency. Also, I'm not sure about ethanol, but the freezing temperature has got to be quite high to be able to be used in an airliner. This was difficult to obtain, even with the biodiesel-like jetfuel. Also, biodiesel and biojetfuel, depending on how its made, sometimes has a slightly higher caloric content than the regular stuff. It isn't much, but it makes a huge difference in the long run.

Not all fuels are the same and/or interchangeable.


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4002 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2097 times:



Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 3):
Does anyone know if any engine modifications are being performed for this fligth and to what extent?

No mods required. The fuel is Jet A, but not from oil.

Quoting Pdxcessna206 (Reply 8):
Also, I'm not sure about ethanol, but the freezing temperature has got to be quite high to be able to be used in an airliner.

Ethanol will never be used in airliners at present. It really does not work below zero deg C. However it is used commercially in Brazil in crop sprayers.

Glad to see algae take to the air. This is really promising fuel, just too expensive at present.

Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 5):
And lastly, how about fuels such as LPG / Natural Gas

Shell is building a Gas to Liquid plant in Doha (which has unlimited gas reserves). This should be on line in 2009.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8557 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2090 times:
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Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 9):
Shell is building a Gas to Liquid plant in Doha (which has unlimited gas reserves).

they may have large gas reserves but I cannot believe that they are unlimited - the whole reason for the push towards renewable fuels is that fossil fuel supplies are finite



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