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User currently offlineAACUN From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 519 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3743 times:
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We just got our Flight Service briefing on the int'l 757. Nothing we didn't know. B/C seats will be exact as on the 767 300 except video will be integrated as on the 777. It had been rumored seats would be angled but they are in typical layout. Everything else had already been discussed. First a/c will fly on existing routes by the end of this month and all 18 will be ready by last quarter 09. It says they will eventually fly on int'l routes though no mention as to where they will be flying to. It also says there will be limited domestic flying by these birds.

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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1130 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

What do you mean by "integrated" video like on the 777, integrated where, how? I thought there were going to be (2) configurations; one for longhaul and another just the basic domestic aircraft w/upgraded seats, IFE, etc...is what you mention any different than was previously reported. I also heard the reconfigured 757s might not open new routes but take over some 763 routes that do not warrant a profitable 763 service. I hope that is not the case; this sounds like a "Catch 22"; newly configured airplane is a very nice enhancement but downgrading routes from a 763 to a 757 is probably a downer.

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4877 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3468 times:
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Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 1):
I also heard the reconfigured 757s might not open new routes but take over some 763 routes that do not warrant a profitable 763 service. I hope that is not the case;

From what I've heard, due to the economic situation worldwide, they have scaled back plans for Summer 09 in terms of starting new routes/destinations with the reocnfigured international 75s. Longer term plan is still to increase international flights/routes/destinations with these planes but the weak revenue environment next year is putting a damper on that...

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 1):
What do you mean by "integrated" video like on the 777, integrated where, how? I thought there were going to be (2) configurations; one for longhaul

I believe he means that the PTVs will be a part of the J seat (like on the 777) as opposed to the separate unit on the 767s that must be distributed at the beginning of the flight and collected by the FAs at the end of the flight


User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2266 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3354 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 2):
I believe he means that the PTVs will be a part of the J seat (like on the 777) as opposed to the separate unit on the 767s

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Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 1):
I also heard the reconfigured 757s might not open new routes but take over some 763 routes

Although the original intention of this project three years ago was to open new routes out of JFK, when the plan was re-announced a couple of months ago it was widely speculated and later confirmed by Flight Service that the TATL 757s would replace some 763s to Europe. The announcement of the TATL 757 came very near the announcement that A300s would be leaving the fleet... it wasn't coincidental. TATL 757s will free up 763s to fly former A300 routes when those a/c are retired by 31Aug09.

That's not to say the 757s won't allow for new destinations, as that is still part of this new sub-fleet's long term plan. For now, it has been said the TATL 757 is being considered to replace the 763s on JFK-CDG (flights 120/121 only), JFK-ZRH, JFK-BRU and JFK-BCN. It has also been said on this board ORD-MAN and ORD-DUB will go to a 757, but recent information from the company suggests that at least ORD-MAN will remain a 763. Of course, nothing is out of the question, and we may see one or two new routes next year, although that is increasingly unlikely.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

AA should have really started their 757 upgrade project several years ago. I'm sure the int'l 757s will be a very nice product up front (as good as CO's bizfirst, if not better) but why the delay on the rest of the domestic 757 fleet? AA needs to wake up and realize they they have the most uncomfortable domestic 757s of any US airline (except for maybe Usair) and 2014 is too slow of a time frame for reconfiguration. They have to speed it up. Wake up AA.


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User currently offlineMiAAmi From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Are the non-international 757's going to be redone at the same time or after the 18 international 757's are finished?

User currently offlineDivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3217 times:



Quoting AACUN (Thread starter):
We just got our Flight Service briefing on the int'l 757. Nothing we didn't know. B/C seats will be exact as on the 767 300 except video will be integrated as on the 777

Interesting. Would be nice if they also added this feature to the Y seats also!

I feel that AA need to really update their product in Y and just add personal PTVs to keep up with the times!

Also before 'you' people begin to bash me about 'just read a book/out the window' I do this also. I just feel that AA are behind in the times by 10 years!



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User currently offlineJustPlaneNutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3161 times:



Quoting MiAAmi (Reply 5):
Are the non-international 757's going to be redone at the same time or after the 18 international 757's are finished?

No. That project runs through 2014.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2978 times:

The delay of 75L service to Europe until Fall 2009 will create unanticipated domestic 757 capacity, which is allowing things like the temporary return of BOS-SAN and maybe some other frequency additions.

I personally don't think AA should be delaying anything in Europe even in today's economy - US and DL aren't slowing down, and neither should AA. Conservative thinking will come back to hurt them in the future.

I've also heard that when AA/IB start profit-sharing trans-Atlantic, AA 75Ls might takeover Iberia's BOS and IAD flights.

Quoting Divemaster08 (Reply 6):

I feel that AA need to really update their product in Y and just add personal PTVs to keep up with the times!

Agreed 100%. AA's reluctance to install PTVs when their primary competition is doing just that, when they are taking delivery of new planes and when they are doing major interior refurbs of current planes is nothing short of idiotic and short-sighted.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2934 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Agreed 100%. AA's reluctance to install PTVs when their primary competition is doing just that, when they are taking delivery of new planes and when they are doing major interior refurbs of current planes is nothing short of idiotic and short-sighted.

I wonder, will AA have PTVs in Y on their 787-9s? I would assume that it is cheaper to have a factory-installed IFE system vs. a retrofitted one, so it wouldn't be very smart of AA to not include PTVs on them.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4430 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2934 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 2):
I believe he means that the PTVs will be a part of the J seat (like on the 777) as opposed to the separate unit on the 767s that must be distributed at the beginning of the flight and collected by the FAs at the end of the flight

That was such a MAJOR disappointment to me that the 763 J class did not have video integrated into the seat. Why? Because it means no moving map!!!!  Sad


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2926 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
I wonder, will AA have PTVs in Y on their 787-9s? I would assume that it is cheaper to have a factory-installed IFE system vs. a retrofitted one, so it wouldn't be very smart of AA to not include PTVs on them.

Yes, almost certainly they will, just like their 777s. 787 is a long-haul plane.



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User currently offlineTrojanclipper From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

It was no accident to UAL waited until AA was fully committed on their not quite flat J class seats before introducing their fully-flat seat, which contrary to other postings, I think is rolling out quite smoothly. I've flown on them quite a bit now.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2880 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
Yes, almost certainly they will, just like their 777s. 787 is a long-haul plane.

The supplier for AA's 777 IFE is Rockwell Collins. Rockwell Collins no longer offers IFE systems for factory installations on widebody aircraft, so AA would have to choose between Panasonic and Thales. I assume AA will choose Panasonic for the 787 IFE (probably the eX2 system), as Panasonic is the supplier for most of AA's IFE upgrades except on the 777.



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