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JetBlue Reinstate SFO-BOS  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Day after the VX annoucement, JetBlue internaly posted that it would resume its own SFO-BOS effective May 1st, 2009 -- initially seasonaly ending Sept 8th.

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User currently offlineJawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4349 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Day after the VX annoucement, JetBlue internaly posted that it would resume its own SFO-BOS effective May 1st, 2009 -- initially seasonaly ending Sept 8th.

any public announcement?

UA, AA, VX & B6, that is a lot of birds between BOS-SFO


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2937 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

I wonder if BOS-SJC, IAD-SAN/LAS/BUR, and JFK-SMF/PDX will return as well. JetBlue originally stated these were seasonal drops. I hope that wil fuel at $43/bbl, maybe all routes can make a comeback.

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4194 times:



Quoting Jawake (Reply 1):
any public announcement?

I'm sure eventually they will, along with publishing the schedule

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 2):
I wonder if BOS-SJC, IAD-SAN/LAS/BUR, and JFK-SMF/PDX will return as well. JetBlue originally stated these were seasonal drops. I hope that wil fuel at $43/bbl, maybe all routes can make a comeback.

I would not hold my breath. B6 has stated it will focus more on North-South and Caribbean/Latin markets in 2009, and keep its its transcon exposure down.

Even with low fuel, transcon yields are nothing to brag about and tie up aircraft for extended periods.

I would however not be surprised if they reevaluate their LAX plans again, as they had promised the City an update after the New Year.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4074 times:



Quoting Jawake (Reply 1):
UA, AA, VX & B6, that is a lot of birds between BOS-SFO

Of all the carriers, B6 is the odd one out and just like the first time, my guess is that they will eventually drop the route. B6 is at a serious technical disadvantage on this route as it is at the limit and sometime beyond the capability of the A320.


User currently offlineJawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3986 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 4):

Of all the carriers, B6 is the odd one out and just like the first time

Just curious, why would you say that? B6 has a decent presence at BOS, VX is starting from scratch.

Don't they use the same equipment, A320?


User currently offlineSocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3933 times:



Quoting Jawake (Reply 5):
Don't they use the same equipment, A320?

VX will use the A319 and B6 only has the 320's.. The 320 can have some problems making the east/west trip during the winter, where the 319 can do it just fine.



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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Well B6 has E-190s... but that flying beer can wont make it to the west without a scheduled fuel stop...


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User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Can you say Tech Stop. Nothing like having to explain why they have to make a stop in BUF because there running out of fuel, or SLC or DEN or SYR. This route is going to be a nightmare just like BOS-OAK is. At least its not running during the winter where you really get a lot of Tech Stops.


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

Of all Bay Area routes they could drop from BOS, why SFO and SJC. SFO has the financial business pax, and SJC has the high-tech and bio-tech pax. OAK WAS a focus city, but it was recently downgraded. I think they can manage, but if they are going to drop Bay Area routes, OAK should be the first to go, not the other two.


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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

I smell overcapacity. Do you think AA or UA will eventually cut back? Is UA's 4x a day really nesscessary?


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User currently offlineJetbluejackets From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3629 times:



Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 2):
I wonder if BOS-SJC, IAD-SAN/LAS/BUR, and JFK-SMF/PDX will return as well. JetBlue originally stated these were seasonal drops. I hope that wil fuel at $43/bbl, maybe all routes can make a comeback.

JetBluefan1

All those, and the cities they cut (CMH and BNA) and run them correctly this time.


User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

When the heck are they going to reinstate BOS-PHX?

At least add it seasonally in the winter please. It is so much better to fly through BOS on my way to NE Connecticut over JFK.


User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3603 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 10):
Is UA's 4x a day really nesscessary?

wouldn's a logical answer to that (in United's case) be the "1-stop" connecting opportunities to their Asia/Australia flights that would be inconvenient going through ORD?

i'm glad to see we're restarting our BOS-SFO flights! hopefully we'll be more successful on it this time around to keep it. what would be nice too is to reinstate our IAD-SAN flight as well!

with our success of SEA-LGB/SAN, i wonder if we'll ever considor adding SFO-PDX/SEA (especially before WN hops on those routes and before VX announces PDX). though, jetblue's concentration right now is in the carribbean. oh well, one can hope, right!?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3593 times:



Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 2):
I wonder if BOS-SJC, IAD-SAN/LAS/BUR, and JFK-SMF/PDX will return as well.

JFK-PDX/SMF are returning.

The rest I wouldn't hold my breathe on.



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User currently offlineJawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3569 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 10):
Is UA's 4x a day really nesscessary?

They were once at 6 flights a day.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2937 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3467 times:



Quoting Jetbluejackets (Reply 11):
All those, and the cities they cut (CMH and BNA) and run them correctly this time.

As MAH said, JFK-SMF/PDX are returning - which doesn't surprise me. I would think that IAD-SAN also has a good chance of returning, as well as BOS-SJC. IAD-LAS was never a very strong performer, and IAD-BUR was a total loser

I agree that CMH and BNA should not have been pulled out of. I am assuming that CMH was due to poor loads and yields, but the presence of SkyBus was the ultimate killer - it kept B6 from being able to expand CMH ops to FLL and MCO. I don't think B6 was ready to match their $19 fares. As far as BNA goes, I don't get why B6 never took a stab at BNA-BOS.

Clearly, B6 has some scheduling problems. They need to capitalize on connecting opportunities and their Florida strengths. I also don't think that offering only 1x on highly competitive routes such as BOS-SFO is going to work out well. If JetBlue was serious about the route, they would have at least 2x. But then again, B6 has only 1x on JFK-SFO now, so I guess this B6 isn't totally serious about these routes in the end...

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User currently offlineJetBlueJackets From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3395 times:



Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 16):
I agree that CMH and BNA should not have been pulled out of. I am assuming that CMH was due to poor loads and yields, but the presence of SkyBus was the ultimate killer - it kept B6 from being able to expand CMH ops to FLL and MCO. I don't think B6 was ready to match their $19 fares. As far as BNA goes, I don't get why B6 never took a stab at BNA-BOS.

Skybus did indeed limit expansion out of CMH. No current service to FLL (althought not sure if they would want to compete with FL AND WN for MCO)......

And I still to this day do not know why they came in with $39 fares to begin JFK with. Sure there is the shock value and stimulating demand, but those prices were kept too low for waaaaaaay to long.....Delta charges $250 one way since B6 pullout of CMH, so even if they came back and offered $100 each way, the market would be there and the yield would be much improved......afterall, the CMH station would have broke even if each ticket sold during their stay there was $16 more each way....not impossible by any stretch


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5221 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3395 times:



Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 2):
wonder if BOS-SJC, IAD-SAN/LAS/BUR, and JFK-SMF/PDX will return as well. JetBlue originally stated these were seasonal drops.

I would expect to see the SMF and PDX trans-cons (to JFK) return; otherwise, both stations would continue to see only service to LGB -- and I don't think Blue would keep either station open just for that...?

I would also expect the JFK trans-cons that decrease to only 1 daily flight for the winter -- SJC, SFO, SEA (as well as PHX and SJC) -- will see additional frequencies return in the spring.

As I commented on another thread, I would be surprised if Blue continues to let UA have all the traffic on the SAN-IAD route; that route certainly can support 2 n/s cx and the longer B6 stays away, the more likely it is that someone else will jump on it.

bb


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3315 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
The rest I wouldn't hold my breathe on.

Agreed, except for BOS-SJC. That route should be able to pick up business passengers year-round, especially with the high-tech and biotech corridors in both cities. They should move at least one BOS-OAK flight to SJC. OAK doesn't give us much of anything.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3274 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 19):

Agreed, except for BOS-SJC. That route should be able to pick up business passengers year-round, especially with the high-tech and biotech corridors in both cities. They should move at least one BOS-OAK flight to SJC. OAK doesn't give us much of anything.

The SJC market has died off significantly. I wouldn't expect it to return. Even BOS-OAK is now only 1x daily.

Also, B6 has canceled BOS-SDQ.



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User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

Why would they drop PHX to one daily flight in the winter? That is peak season in Phoenix, I could see it the other way around with 1x JFK in the summer.

I still think they should do PHX-BOS seasonal October-May.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3258 times:



Quoting Afitch7881 (Reply 21):

I still think they should do PHX-BOS seasonal October-May.

The route performed horribly the first time around, and that was before fuel peaked and when more people could afford taking vacations to Arizona.



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User currently offlineReality From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3247 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
if they are going to drop Bay Area routes, OAK should be the first to go, not the other two.

Not. No non-stop competition from OAK to BOS. And, more convenient for 50% of Bay Area population.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
Why would they drop PHX to one daily flight in the winter?

It's the economy, not the specific cities. Everyone is cutting service, everywhere.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 19):
OAK doesn't give us much of anything.

Only more convenience for more passengers.


User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Does anyone have specific load numbers for PHX-BOS when it was in operation?


I flew that flight probably 10 times and every time except for maybe 2 flights was jammed packed.


25 BOStonsox : You're right, but business pax don't usually fly to airports like OAK, even if it is convenient. Then again, B6 doesn't seem to cater much to busines
26 SANFan : The B6 schedule is very erratic, at least during Jan and Feb. I had randomly looked up a few dates -- different days of the week, btw -- in each mont
27 Par13del : So is it fair to say that the only reason that B6 is doing this is because VX is starting the route, and as pax and fans we want to put rules and regs
28 MSYtristar : That is correct....between 1/8 and 2/8, they will be running ten weekly flights. 1 B6 178 YSE X6 PHXJFK 1240 1924 32S 0 06JAN06MAR KHQBLVRMO 2 B6 180
29 JetBluefan1 : I don't think it's fair to say that. JetBlue has probably been finalizing its summer schedule over the last couple of weeks, and it should be release
30 JetBlueAUS : I am glad SFO-BOS is returning, though, only seasonally? What a dissappointment. Hopefully, jetBlue extends the service.
31 Cubsrule : 6 fewer seats in the 320 won't hurt (though I suspect we'll still see fuel stops). I'm not sure B6 was ever really committed to BNA. It was a way to
32 Post contains links LAXintl : Here is the press release. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/081211/ny51501.html?.v=1
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