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Did BA Replaced Their One-Elevens With A320 Family?  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

I know BA still had 1-11 in the 90's, so I wonder, did they replace ther e1-11 with A320 family jets?

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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

737s and later A320s


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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

They replaced them with 737 436's with the registration sequences G-DOCx.

The A320's acquired around this time was due to the takeover of BCal, who were one of the launch customers for this aircraft, and BA inherited the order. The current A32S replaces these 734's and 757's.



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User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2821 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3201 times:
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Manchester based BAC1-11-510ED aircraft were replaced with 6 or 7 Boeing 737-236adv models these were then replaced with the second hand Boeing 737-500 aircraft currently being withdrawn at Gatwick.These Boeings were replaced with EMB145s and Dash8s

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Birmingham initially had the BAC1-11-400 models plus the three late delivered BAC1-11-500s

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G-BGKE, G-BGKF and G-BGKF (These were even younger than some of those 737-236advs!)

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They also got some of the former BCAL aircraft transferred from Gatwick to replace the BAC1-11-400 aircraft sold to Brymon Airways.


Like Manchester the BAC1-11s were to be replaced with Boeing 737-236advs

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then Boeing 737-300 (second hand)

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and these were subsequently replaced with what might be a surprise the first A319s!

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Just like Manchester the final episode were combinations of EMB145 and Dash8s.

In addition to BAC111s remember that BA also used HS748s and later ATP aircraft from the regions AND Inter-German Berlin operations

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Birmingham was the last place to see BAC1-11s in BA colours.

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At Heathrow the various B737-200 and then B737-400 surplanted the BAC1-11s before the current Airbus A3xxx family arrived.

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User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3011 times:



Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 3):
plus the three late delivered BAC1-11-500s



Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 3):
G-BGKE, G-BGKF and G-BGKF (These were even younger than some of those 737-236advs!)

FWIW these aircraft were BAC1-11-539s and operated mainly from BHX but also some longer routes from MAN (the 3rd one in the sequence was G-BGKG, of course!)

Even these had some difficulty getting a full payload down to AGP at the weekends, IIRC...



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User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2821 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3003 times:
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[quote]FWIW these aircraft were BAC1-11-539s and operated mainly from BHX but also some longer routes from MAN (the 3rd one in the sequence was G-BGKG, of course!)[/quote}

My typo you are correct !

Only remember them visiting Manchester regularly on the combined BHX-MAN-Copenhagen run and ocasional weekend IT or Jersey service.

And their was another enigma of a BAC1-11 that I completely forgot about G-BFWN

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Leased from Cyprus Airways and rarely seen in the provinces flew mainly from Heathrow on low density routes such as Luxembourg and Bordeaux

This aircraft was rare enough for the above photo to be the only one in this data base!


User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2842 times:



Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 3):
Birmingham was the last place to see BAC1-11s in BA colours.

...and by this time they were operated by Maersk Air (UK) Ltd - a BA franchise. I remember seeing these at NCL as late as 1997/98 operating from BHX in place of the J41.

Prior to that, the last BA BAC One Elevens I saw at NCL were the mainline ones operating the LHR services up until around 1992.

I'm desparate to take a flight on a BAC One Eleven having missed the opportunity while they were still operating in the UK with Maersk Air (UK) Ltd, British World Airlines & European Aircharter.

It seems now the only option to get a flight on a civil one is if Aquiline/Trast Aero is operating for a scheduled carrier. Last year they were operating for Aviacompany SCAT in Kazakhstan and earlier this year one was operating for Djibouti Airlines. What they are doing at the moment I do not know. Aquiline/Trast Aero is based in Bishkek, Kyrgistan. Any info on what their One Elevens are doing at the moment would be most appreciated.


User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2499 times:



Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 5):
was another enigma of a BAC1-11 that I completely forgot about G-BFWN

OK - so there was also an Air UK 1-11-400 that was leased for a short period in about 1988 or so: G-AXOX which flew in a hybrid livery (mainly white with an AirUK blue stripe - can't remember why it was leased in) from BHX.

Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 5):
Only remember them visiting Manchester regularly on the combined BHX-MAN-Copenhagen run and ocasional weekend IT or Jersey service

That's probably the case - I know BHX pilots were driven up to MAN to position the aircraft back to BHX after those stints (even got the chance to fly ID-90 MAN-BHX on one of those flights, as BA still held route authority for MAN-BHX!)

A lot of BHX 4-day trips and longer consisted of nightstops at MAN - the crews operating 'W' routes...



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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

On shorthaul there seems to be a bit of history for second time lucky for aircraft types with BEA/BA.

When BEA introduced the 1-11-500 it was under pressure from the Government of the day to buy British. BEA would have preferred to order the 737-200. Boeing must have felt confident a BEA order was due at some point as the airline was allocted a Boeing customer code - 18 - that has never been used.

When he need to replace the Tridents came about in the late 1970s BA ordered a mix of the brand new 757-236 (19 aircraft as joint launch customer with EA) and the 737-236 ADV (19 aircraft G-BGDA to G-BGDU). They were followed by a further 9 aircraft (G-BGJE to G-BGJM) for use by British Airtours, then a further 16 aircraft for use by mainline (G-BKYA to G-BKYP).

As has been said, with the BCal merger BA inherited that airlines 1-11 fleet alongside its order the the A320 (5 -111s and 5 -211s). The first aircraft remained at LGW for a few months before the fleet of A320s moved to LHR in October 1988.

In the late 1980s BA had to decide on an aircraft order to replace the 1-11s and picked the 737-436 over the A320-211. 27 aircraft were ordered (G-DOCA to G-DOCZ/G-GBTA/G-GBTB) though the last four were stored/leased out for a couple of years after delivery. The original order had allowed BA to switch the type of some aircraft to the -300 or -500 but this never happened.

The introduction of the 737-436 aircraft saw 737-236 ADV aircraft cascaded to LGW, MAN and BHX to replace the 1-11s.

Some of the -236 ADV aircraft themselves started to be replaced by brand new -300 aircraft leased in. The 737 at MAN/BHX was to replaced in turn by the newly ordered A319-131 fleet, and indeed BHX was built up as an Airbus base before BA switched strategy and started shifting the A319s to LHR to replace the eraly build 757-236 aircraft. This was a shift in strategy as BA's original plan for the late 1990s was for all LHRshorthaul flying to be on the 757-236 or 767-336ER (except for the 10 ex-BCal A320s), with BHX/MAN A319 bases, and LGW operating the A319 and 737-436 (with enough Airbus options to replace those aircarft with A319/A320 aircraft).

To release the A319s to LHR from BHX BA leased in 10 second-hand 737-500 aircraft to operate alongside the new leased 737-300s. 5 second-hand 737-300s were also leased in for LGW operations. Once BA acquired LGW based franchise carrier CityFlyer Express it moved theat carrier's Avro RJ100 fleet to MAN/BHX and the leased 737-300/-500 fleet moved to LGW, though the new-build leased -300s soon left the fleet.

Today the A319s are now eventually making their way to LGW to replace the leased 737-500/-300 aircraft, having being displaced from LHR by A320s.

The 1-11 fleet was named after English and Welsh counties, Scottish Regions and offshore Crown dependencies. The fleet I have on record (but I'm sure I've missed some) were: -

G-AVGP BAC 111-408EF County of Nottinghamshire MSN 114
G-AWBL BAC 111-416EK County of Leicestershire MSN 132
G-BBME BAC 111-401AK County of Worcestershire MSN 066
G-BBMF BAC 111-401AK County of Shropshire MSN 074
G-BBMG BAC 111-408EF County of Gloucestershire MSN 115
G-AVMH BAC 111-510ED County of Cheshire MSN 136
G-AVMI BAC 111-510ED County of Merseyside MSN 137
G-AVMJ BAC 111-510ED Strathclyde Region MSN 138
G-AVMK BAC 111-510ED County of Kent MSN 139
G-AVML BAC 111-510ED County of Surrey MSN 140
G-AVMM BAC 111-510ED MSN 141
G-AVMN BAC 111-510ED County of Essex MSN 142
G-AVMO BAC 111-510ED Lothian Region MSN 143
G-AVMP BAC 111-510ED Bailiwick of Jersey MSN 144
G-AVMR BAC 111-510ED County of Tyne and Wear MSN 145
G-AVMS BAC 111-510ED County of West Sussex MSN 146
G-AVMT BAC 111-510ED County of Berkshire MSN 147
G-AVMU BAC 111-510ED County of Dorset MSN 148
G-AVMV BAC 111-510ED County of Greater Manchester MSN 149
G-AVMW BAC 111-510ED Grampian Region MSN 150
G-AVMX BAC 111-510ED County of East Sussex MSN 151
G-AVMY BAC 111-510ED County of Derbyshire MSN 152
G-AVMZ BAC 111-510ED County of Lancashire MSN 153
G-AWYR BAC 111-501EX County of Suffolk MSN 174
G-AWYS BAC 111-501EX County of Norfolk MSN 175
G-AWYT BAC 111-501EX County of Gwynedd MSN 176
G-AWYU BAC 111-501EX County of Avon MSN 177
G-AWYV BAC 111-501EX County of Powys MSN 178
G-AXJK BAC 111-501EX County of Herefordshire MSN 191
G-AXJM BAC 111-501EX County Durham MSN 214
G-AXLL BAC 111-523FJ County of Yorkshire MSN 193
G-AYOP BAC 111-518FG County of Humberside MSN 233
G-AZMF BAC 111-530FX County of Northumberland MSN 240
G-AZPZ BAC 111-515FB Dumfries and Galloway Region MSN 229
G-BGKE BAC 111-539GL County of West Midlands MSN 263
G-BGKF BAC 111-539GL County of Warwickshire MSN 264
G-BGKG BAC 111-539GL County of Staffordshire MSN 265
G-BJRT BAC 111-528FL County of South Glamorgan MSN 234
G-BJRU BAC 111-528FL County of West Glamorgan MSN 238



Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

I have fond memories of eight BA 1-11 flights between BHX and ZRH between March '91 and March '93.

Between December '93 and March '95 I travelled that route six time on BA 737-200s.

By '99 when I flew BHX-TXL it was on a Maersk 737-500 flying as a BA franchise.

In other words, there was a long gap between the disappearance of the 1-11s and the arrival of Airbus narrowbodies.


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