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Alaska Airlines To Begin 2nd Daily SEA-BOS  
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

It seems that even more additional flights will be operating into Boston next year.

AS012 SEA0850 - 1715BOS 73H D
AS024 SEA1440 - 2253BOS 73H D

AS025 BOS0805 - 1103SEA 73H D
AS015 BOS1815 - 2113SEA 73H D

Using Terminal B at Logan as other Seattle and Portland flights.

This comes after news that JetBlue will re-instate SFO-BOS, Virgin America will begin SFO-BOS and LAX-BOS, and AA will re-start SAN-BOS.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4240277/
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4238694/
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4239446/

Rob!  wave 

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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

This is a seasonal flight that's operated for several years now.

Good to know that the competition from B6 and an ailing economy haven't driven AS out of BOS and that, as far as I can tell, the PDX flight is sticking around. However, doesn't appear to be any 739s, so that is a capacity reduction over past years.

Funny how BOS-SEA went from no flights after NW and later AA abandoned the route, now it can support up to three daily flights in the Summer.

LH423



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5441 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

Perhaps AS is anticipating at least the possibility of additional competition in the market (besides B6) next year from those red-and-white guys from SFO. (And who does know what Virgin might be planning... and I'm including those running the bloody airline!)  Wink

Looks to me like trans-cons are alive and well (and increasing in number with announcements almost daily.) Here's hoping for the continuation of a recovery from the many cutbacks of 2008!

bb


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32898 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

This isn't a new flight, it operates seasonally every year.

What we are seeing is simply trans-con capacity returning thanks to cheaper fuel. Boston lost a significant amount of trans-con capacity this fall. They currently are down to only four daily non-stops to Los Angeles. This capacity is starting to return, and other cities will likely see trans-con capacity return as well, although Boston has definitley lost the most.



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4120 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Independent of falling fuel prices, the additions might indicate a sort of 'early sign' that the airlines feel that this recession will ease up by mid-2009.

User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5531 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Quoting LH423 (Reply 1):
However, doesn't appear to be any 739s, so that is a capacity reduction over past years.

Except that westbound, the 739s sometimes had enough blocked-off seats to reduce their capacity below that of the 738. The 739s that used to appear on the second BOS flight were there due to lack of 738 capacity before AS had as many 738s as it does now.

The 739A is not an appropriate aircraft for transcon missions, as AS found out in dramatic fashion when it first tried to use the birds on SEA-Florida routes. The 738 is absolutely perfect.

EDIT: I just noticed the eastbound flight isn't a redeye anymore! If I still lived in Boston, this new schedule would considerably improve my life. (AS service from DCA works very nicely, though.  Wink )

[Edited 2008-12-10 05:45:37]

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3414 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4772 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Boston lost a significant amount of trans-con capacity this fall.

LAX-PHL is also at 4 flts a day and has less seats than LAX-BOS and there is more capacity on SFO-BOS than SFO-PHL.

Maybe it's just right sizing the market. Regardless what fuel is many people are looking for the cheapest flight they can get.

I had a friend who travels weekly on AA take YX on PHL-MKE-DFW after Thanksgiving just because it was cheaper.

In looking at a rountrip next week on BOS-LAX, UA will put you back $750, Southwest with one stop from PVD-LAX will set you back $330. What do you think the average person who is trying to save money is going to do.


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4744 times:



Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 6):
LAX-PHL is also at 4 flts a day and has less seats than LAX-BOS and there is more capacity on SFO-BOS than SFO-PHL.

Maybe it's just right sizing the market. Regardless what fuel is many people are looking for the cheapest flight they can get.

I had a friend who travels weekly on AA take YX on PHL-MKE-DFW after Thanksgiving just because it was cheaper.

In looking at a rountrip next week on BOS-LAX, UA will put you back $750, Southwest with one stop from PVD-LAX will set you back $330. What do you think the average person who is trying to save money is going to do.

Well that depends if they want convenience. I fly UA BOS-LAX-BOS at least once a month and I prefer the convenience of the non-stop.

Quoting LH423 (Reply 1):

Good to know that the competition from B6 and an ailing economy haven't driven AS out of BOS and that, as far as I can tell, the PDX flight is sticking around. However, doesn't appear to be any 739s, so that is a capacity reduction over past years.

Does anyone know how BOS-PDX is performing? It made it through its first year so that must be a somewhat good sign.


User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4655 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 5):
I just noticed the eastbound flight isn't a redeye anymore!

I noticed that, too. Does AS have a connecting bank ex-SEA in the early afternoon? For a double-daily schedule, this looks really good!


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4602 times:



Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 8):
I noticed that, too. Does AS have a connecting bank ex-SEA in the early afternoon? For a double-daily schedule, this looks really good!

They do, there's lots of connections at that time from QX as well as Alaska.

AS has done away with all of their redeyes this year. They've traditionally had redeyes to BOS, EWR, ORD, and MIA. None of those cities have redeyes any more. I think it's great as I hate redeyes!


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4540 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 5):
The 739A is not an appropriate aircraft for transcon missions, as AS found out in dramatic fashion when it first tried to use the birds on SEA-Florida routes. The 738 is absolutely perfect.

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I have family in BOS and used to non-rev a lot on this flight and trust me...no non revs ever seemed to make it on when it was a 739. Horrible W&B problems when there were headwinds going back to SEA.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8413 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4435 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
This capacity is starting to return, and other cities will likely see trans-con capacity return as well, although Boston has definitley lost the most.

Surely the fact that BOS is as far as you can be from the west coast with a possible exception of MIA, had to play a significant role in that loss of trans-con flights.


User currently offlineRgreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4408 times:



Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
It seems that even more additional flights will be operating into Boston next year.

AS012 SEA0850 - 1715BOS 73H D
AS024 SEA1440 - 2253BOS 73H D

AS025 BOS0805 - 1103SEA 73H D
AS015 BOS1815 - 2113SEA 73H D

Using Terminal B at Logan as other Seattle and Portland flights.

Actually it was my understanding that AS dropped the 2nd SEA-BOS flight after the Boeing Machinist strike. AS was scheduled to have new aircraft delivered at the same time they were retiring some older 737s. With the delayed delivery of new 737 from boeing, they were forced to adjust schedule.

This is how it was explained to me by an AS employee anyways...


User currently offlineRgreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

Looking at the schedule, it doesn't appear to start until May 17th, so my last post may be incorrect  Sad

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5441 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4379 times:



Quoting Rgreenftm (Reply 12):
Actually it was my understanding that AS dropped the 2nd SEA-BOS flight after the Boeing Machinist strike.

Implying that AS would have run 2x daily SEA-BOS all winter if not for the strike? I don't think so. (It has been stated more than once on this thread that the 2nd flight has been seasonal for a while now so I would say that's the simple and correct reason it stopped in the fall and will be back next year.)

I would imagine, however, that the strike and associated delivery delays may very well have affected other plans of AS, as well as many other cx...

bb


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32898 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4256 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 11):
Surely the fact that BOS is as far as you can be from the west coast with a possible exception of MIA,

It probably had more to do with the fact that BOS is a largely O&D market for trans-cons, IMO.

Also, to note, MIA is closer to the California than Boston, New York or Washington; although farther from Seattle.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4176 times:



Quoting Rgreenftm (Reply 12):
This is how it was explained to me by an AS employee anyways...

That makes some sense given that AS retired the last M80 just a couple of months ago.


User currently offlineAS777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4069 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 9):
AS has done away with all of their redeyes this year. They've traditionally had redeyes to BOS, EWR, ORD, and MIA. None of those cities have redeyes any more. I think it's great as I hate redeyes!

I hate this! As most Alaskans do. Their ANC-ORD redeye was GREAT. I could get off work on Friday night, hop the 10(ish)pm flight out of here and be in ORD at 5am. It might be different in the lower 48, but I really hate the fact that AS/NW and I think even DL cut their redeyes out of here. Now I have to waste a whole entire day getting somewhere(other than SEA). If I want to take the ANC-ORD flight now, it leaves at 830(i think) in the morning and gets to ORD at 5pm. Grrrrrrrrrr  banghead 


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2682 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4014 times:



Quoting AS777 (Reply 17):
I hate this!

So do I! From a timing perspective, coming back from the West coast on a redeye gives you a whole day before you come back, so it's nice. It does however ruin the entire day you get back to the East coast if you can't sleep on planes (and I can't do that very well). Oh well, I guess you have to give and take.


User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5531 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3988 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 18):
Oh well, I guess you have to give and take.

For me, the redeye is not really an option.

If I take a redeye, I'm totally useless the day I get back, after getting little or no sleep.

Since being useless at work in a business where clients are paying by the hour is not really an option, taking a redeye, for me, means coming back a day early.

Obviously at that point it's better to take even a morning flight than a redeye -- I still lose my day of vacation, but at least I sleep properly on both nights.

Such are the hassles of living on the east coast while having tons of friends and family in the northwest.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7550 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3981 times:



Quoting LH423 (Reply 1):
Funny how BOS-SEA went from no flights after NW

It still wonders the NW pilots why that route was ever dropped because they were told that yields and obviously by working the flights load factors were good.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2682 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3941 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 19):
Obviously at that point it's better to take even a morning flight than a redeye -- I still lose my day of vacation, but at least I sleep properly on both nights.

Ah, but I'm a student with plenty of classes to skip.  Wink In all seriousness, if I had a job that was of any importance to come back to after a vacation, I'd of course be in the same boat.


User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

I believe when AS starts its second daily ANC-ORD flight, one of the two will be a red-eye again, so you will have your wish.

The 2nd SEA-BOS flight was supposed to operate all winter. That plan was shelved due to the Boeing Machinist's strike. So, the flight will start back again during the spring.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13612 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3883 times:
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Quoting AS777 (Reply 17):
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 9):
AS has done away with all of their redeyes this year. They've traditionally had redeyes to BOS, EWR, ORD, and MIA. None of those cities have redeyes any more. I think it's great as I hate redeyes!

I hate this!

Unfortunately, the majority of the redeyes were not covering their economic fuel costs when Jet-A was at its peak. Of course now fuel costs have declined dramatically, but that's not a guarantee that redeyes will make a comeback.

Time will tell.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

It would be really nice to see a second daily SEA-MIA in order to provide single-connections each way to AA's Latin America schedule. With the previous red-eye schedule, connections TO the Carribbean required only one connection at MIA, but return flights required two. Likewise, flights TO South America required two connections on the way down, but only one on the return.

The load factors on this route are purportedly very high. Hopefully with fuel prices declining, a second frequency would become viable.


25 MAH4546 : In the past 12 months it has flexed averaging anywhere between 87 and 99%. It be nice if AA or AS did a second daily to, as you describe, connect wit
26 LH491 : SEA-BOS is as long and thin as the space needle.
27 ASFlyer : Actually, yes, they were to operate the 2nd daily BOS flight through the winter this year for the first time. They cancelled it, along with the PDX-M
28 PanAm330 : Which is obviously why they're adding capacity. I think the route planning department knows something you don't.
29 SeaBosDca : "Seasonal" was always relative with this flight. Each year was a little bit different, but, in general, the flight only stopped operating for 2 or 3
30 BayAreaBlue : You are correct in the that the 2nd ANC-ORD flight will be a redeye. However, there are still 3 redeye flights out there for AS, LIH-SEA, HNL-ANC and
31 LH491 : Touche. But just because the route planning departrment did it, doesn't mean they were right I could see a potential reason for this route performing
32 AS777 : WoooHoooo! I had not heard about this second daily ANC-ORD flight? Anyone know when it's supposed to start? Is it just seasonal? Or year round?
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