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Why So Many LAX-LAS Flights?  
User currently offlineIronchain15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

I am planning to take a flight from LAX to LAS in about three weeks and noticed that I have lots of carriers to choose from with non-stop flights between the two cities. Here is the list I have found:

American
America West
Delta
Hawaiian
National
Northwest
Southwest
United

I do not know if I have left any out of the list, but what I cannot understand is why are there so many carriers and so many flights? Do the airlines really expect all of the flights to be successful? I know LAS is a popular destination, but I have been on some rather empty flights. Your thoughts and comments please.


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

This is one of most popular routes in the U.S. Every airline has very good load factors to keep flying these flights, plus they're easy money for the airlines. Some flights may have lower load factors depending on time of day and day of the week, but overall, most airlines have had much success on this route. And Las Vegas is the number 1 tourist destination, and with L.A. being so close to Vegas, one can take a short trip to Vegas and still get home in time for dinner. Vegas has always been, and will always be L.A.'s playground.

User currently offlineIFlyADesk From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4221 times:

Well stated! The drive from SoCal to Vegas is normally in the 4.5-5 hour range, and the last three-hours on I-15 is a very boring drive at that. Since these fares can be booked for less than $100 RT, why not fly?

I stopped DRIVING to Vegas many years ago.


User currently offlineCannedSpam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4208 times:

The airlines do not have a lot of success on the LAS routes. They are very low yield and airlines keep the flights in their system only for network benefit as LAS is, as already stated, the #1 tourist destination. The competition is very cuttroat to LAS simply because there are so many carriers that fly there and the fact that your main players are HP and WN.

User currently offlineHL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4202 times:

If u go DL - 757
If u go UAl - 735
If u go HA - DC-10
If u go National Airlines - 757
if u go AA - MD80
if u go SW - 733
If u go AW - 733

Hope this helps

HL  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4194 times:

Also, LAS is very popular for Asian tourists, especially Japanese. Since LAX is the main US gateway to/from Asia, having flights makes it easy to feed LAS-bound international travelers from the airlines' (or their alliance partners) international flights at LAX.

User currently offlineJJJM From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Well let me tell you i tried flying stanby last week sunday from las to lax, and it was impossible i got bumped from the first 3 flights on United, and i think there was really no chance on flying stanby on that day....so i had to buy a full fare tkt on Southwest, and i was still on Stanby, but at least i had a full fare tkt and almost didn't get on, but i did....i spent 6 hours at las airport trying to get on a flight.......I'll never try route on a sunday again.....(at least not staby)

User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

I know of a lot of people from my home town that go to LAS on Business. One, works for Mazda Canada and goes there to shoot comercials, another, works for Toronto Dominion Bank and he might be there now! LAS has a very big golf show at the convention centre, as well, my best friends dad brings down millions of dollars worth of equipment and is very successful selling it.

I have been a tourist 3 times in the past 4 years, so ya its popular, but just don't forget about the businss people!!



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

Oh ya one other thing:

Air Transat flies Sunday's and Thursdays

Royal Airlines: the same

Canada 3000: the same

Sky Service: the Same

Air Canada: I think daily now? or atleat every other day direct but with a SFO connection the other days.

West Jet: on demand from Western Canada

Thes flights bring business people and vacationers!!!

Best Regards

G



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineCannedSpam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

JJJM,

I don't even bother tryig to fly standby into LAS...I am never am able to do it because the times I want to go are also the peak travel times and the flights are always full. Instead, I resign myself to flying into ONT, renting a car, and driving to LAS. It's not a bad drive, but I don't mind drivingabout 3.5 hours.


User currently offlineIronchain15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

Thanks for all the info. I also noticed that non-stop flights from BUR and ONT to LAS on Southwest are very full, but they do not have the same amount of non-stop flights as LAX. I just could not understand why LAX has so many when BUR and ONT could use some those flights, and I do not think anyone flies SNA to LAS non-stop. That could be a money maker for an airline.

User currently offlineONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 591 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4103 times:

Southwest is going to start 2 daily round trips sarting June 10. Also America West has about 6 roundtrips a day as well.


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User currently offlineIFlyADesk From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Sunday travel LAS-LAX is the abosolute worst, flying OR driving! Ask anybody that has driven I-15 on a Sunday afternoon, and they will tell you that the traffic stops before Victorville and it is bumper-to-bumper for the next few hours.

For this reason the Sunday flights are very full, but still better than the 6+ hour return drive on occasion...


User currently offlineLsjef From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

From what I have seen, LAS is one of the top airports in the US for true competition on routes...no dominant carrier, ample access to the airport by a large number of carriers. LAX is also fairly diversified and competitive, so it seems reasonable the net result would be so many flights offered by so many airlines.

Re: SNA...with the limited access to SNA due to noise/environmental issues, historically airlines probably did not want to waste slots on this low-yield route. This issue may have recently changed, though, as 12-31-00 was a key date in the SNA environmental agreement (I do not know if it was extended or what...anybody else know?)


User currently offlineIFlyADesk From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

America West has controlled the SNA-LAS market for years, and they charge higher fares than out of LAX or ONT. Their foothold at SNA got even stronger when RenoAir (AA) discontinued the SNA-LAS service. They do not operate nonstops out of LGB either, only connex via PHX.

However, Southwest will soon start service SNA-LAS/PHX. That ought to be an incentive for HP to lower their fares. It's about time for some competition on this route..


User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1388 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

I read a statistic recently most of the people that go Vegas Originate/are from the LA area. You can also take a look at I15 from LA to vegas always crowded!


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User currently offlineONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 591 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4053 times:

Not only is the freeway to Las Vegas always packed, it is also one of the most dangerous in the nation. There are fatalities on that freeway all the time. I know many people who prefer to fly just because of saftey reasons.


"The world is run by C students"-Harry Truman
User currently offlineClimbout From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

I love this topic because it's about flying LAX to LAS, which is my favorite thing to do throughout the year. I too have stopped driving to Vegas. It's a long hot boring drive and you feel miserable when you finally get there. I welcome the many airlines that fly there, especially WN. You get there in about 40 minutes (they say it's an hour but in all the times that I'VE flown it, it has NEVER taken an hour to get there on WN). When I get there, my bag is already waiting and I shuttle it right to the hotel. I don't feel too tired to go out on the town. Driving to Las Vegas (or as the f/a's on WN call it, "Lost Wages") is out.

User currently offlineB-787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

It's so dangerous because people fly down I-15 at 100mph+, then when the CHP flys their Cessna down the side of the highway people start slowing down all in a sudden.


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User currently offlineB-787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

It's so dangerous because people fly down I-15 at 100mph+, then when the CHP flys their Cessna down the side of the highway people start getting scared and slowig all in a sudden.Then of course there is the very high winds.


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User currently offlineB-787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

"There are"(correction)


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User currently offlineIronchain15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

Yes, I too like to do the flying instead of the driving. It is the same between Kansas City and St. Louis. It is much better flying than driving. I-70 sucks on this route because of all the stupid trucks. The flight from MCI to STL is about 40 minutes also.

User currently offlineIFlyADesk From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

Last time I flew ONT-LAS it only took 29-minutes runway-to-runway, and we were at cruise for less than 10! Much better than the hours on I-15 and stopping at the Bun Boy in Barstow and/or Baker.

The story about the CHP Cessnas is very true. When I used to fly fart-carts from SoCal to Vegas years ago, following VFR over I-15 was the easiest way to navigate. We would see CHP aircraft often. There are white stripes painted across the freeway at designated distances and the cops could time a particular vehicle, and then radio cruisers on the ground in advance.

Even 2-2.5 hours in a slow Cessna was much more fun than driving, unless it was during the Summer. SHAKE, RATTLE, AND ROLL!!!

If you ask me, it is still well worth it to pay <$100 RT. Heck, I'll lose that at my first blackjack table...


User currently offlineEarly Air From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

Well, Hawaiian sends the aircraft their as a ferrie, they need to get the DC-10's their in order to send tham back to Hawaii from Las Vegas, they maswell sell seats on the aircraft when ferrying it than ferrying it empty. Las Vegas is National airlines hub. Otherwise, it is a really popular destination. I used to do LAX-LAS all of the time, not that I moved to the valley I usually go BUR-LAS on Southwest. Try going out of Bourabk. It is only about 30 mins away from LAX and it is so much better, easier, and more comfortable. It is a great expierence flying out of Burbank.

Rgds,
Early Air


User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

As a coincidence to this topic I have a gambling trip booked, it is departing from LAX-LAS on April 8th. For the money, flying is much better than driving to Vegas.


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25 ATA L1011 : Hey Early the prob with flying to Vegas on Hawaiian from LAX to Vegas is. tehy are ferrying the DC-10 there for a flt from LAS to HON not back to LAX
26 RayChuang : I do know that LAS is a massive hub for both WN and HP, and UA's United Shuttle has an increasing big operation there. Both airlines fly a lot of flig
27 L1011 : ATA L1011: Hawaiian flies between LAX and LAS in both directions. I don't think they fly nonstop LAS to HNL. Bob Bradley Richmond, VA
28 Climbout : IFLYADESK, What in the world is a "fart-cart"? Never heard of that before. Can you please post a picture of it? This is one aircraft I gotta see!
29 IFlyADesk : Fart-cart = Bug-smasher = Single-engine prop. That's what the airline pilots I knew used to call them when I was flying them for fun...
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