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SQ And SQ Cargo  
User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Hi all

Can anyone give me some more info re SQ's cargo ops....

I was wondering if they have their own freighters or just put cargo on board their passenger planes....

Also any stats, info or anything of interest would be appreciated,  Smile


Thanks in advance

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User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

(Also, particularly their ops out of Australia/ NZ) thanks

User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

SQ Cargo definitely flies freighters -- I've seen a 747F (don't remember if it was a -200F or a -400F) at TPE in the last year or so.


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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

SQ has a fleet of 14 Boeing 747-400F.

Check this website out: http://www.siacargo.com/fleetauld_fleet.asp



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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jan 2006, 4186 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2982 times:
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Technically, Singapore Airlines and Singapore Cargo are two different entities (ICAO code SIA vs SQC). Singapore Cargo is a subsidiary of Singapore Airlines and it has a dozen 744F in its fleet (I think the exact number is 13, but I am not sure), in addition to using the cargo space of its parent. SQC has its main hub in SIN, of course, but it operates a smaller hub in BRU that it uses to move freight between Europe, the Indian subcontinent, the Middle East, North America, Africa and South America without having to fly the loads all the way to SIN and back.

If I recall correctly, SQC has 5 or 6 flights a week into Australia and New Zealand, serving ADL, AKL, MEL, PER and SYD.

It is one of the few cargo carriers with flights that literally circle the world, generally going from SIN to North America via North Asia, and then back to SIN via BRU and some other place in between BRU and SIN. For example SQC7880 SIN-XMN-NKG-ANC-LAX on to SQC7881 LAX-BRU-BOM-SIN, and SQC7970 SIN-HKG-ANC-DFW followed by SQC7969 DFW-BRU-SHJ-SIN.

Just like its parent, SQC regularly collects awards as one of the best scheduled cargo carriers. It is one of the largest cargo carriers in the world in terms of tkm (tonne-kilometer).



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User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2880 times:



Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 4):
It is one of the largest cargo carriers in the world in terms of tkm (tonne-kilometer).

SQC is the 6th largest cargo airline in the world in 2007 in terms of Scheduled Freight Tonne Kilometres.

http://www.iata.org/ps/publications/wats-freight-km.htm

You may wish to check out SQC's eTimetable at http://www.siacargo.com/fpsearch.aspx for schedules specific to Australia and New Zealand.



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User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Are the pilots interchangeable between SQC and SIA?


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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9239 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2706 times:



Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 5):
SQC is the 6th largest cargo airline in the world in 2007 in terms of Scheduled Freight Tonne Kilometres.

I do not think that is correct.

SQC only has a small fleet, the numbers you have posted are for the whole SIA Group, not just the SQC subsidiary. Those numbers include all the belly space on the SIA mainline passenger aircraft as well as the dedicated freighter fleet, SQC "sells" the belly space on the passenger aircraft.

Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 6):
Are the pilots interchangeable between SQC and SIA?

Historically pax pilots were flying both, and the SQC pilots only flew passenger aircraft during initially training, checks, and in the simulator. These day from what I understand, just a few management types are in SQC from SIA, most of the time these days SQC pilots fly SQC aircraft, and SIA pilots, SIA aircraft.



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User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

SQ Cargo is one of the biggest cargo carriers in the world!!! They do fly around the world and serve every continent.
Every cargo carrier is a seperate company on its own. They either use their own aircraft, eg SQ Cargo, Korean Air Cargo, Emirates Cargo, Lufthansa Cargo etc etc, or use space on the belly flights of the passenger airlines.



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User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 7):
I do not think that is correct.

SQC only has a small fleet, the numbers you have posted are for the whole SIA Group, not just the SQC subsidiary. Those numbers include all the belly space on the SIA mainline passenger aircraft as well as the dedicated freighter fleet, SQC "sells" the belly space on the passenger aircraft.

You are most welcome to write to IATA and tell them they got their interpretations wrong. How do you account for the cargo being carried inside non-dedicated passenger aircraft then, when all cargo holds in all SQ/SQC aircraft are managed by SQC?

If we want to be sticky about such details, perhaps Cathay Pacific, currently five largest, should be struck off the list since it is merely a unit and is not a separate entity the way SQC and Lufthansa Cargo are?

Quoting DALCA (Reply 8):
Every cargo carrier is a seperate company on its own. They either use their own aircraft, eg SQ Cargo, Korean Air Cargo, Emirates Cargo, Lufthansa Cargo etc etc, or use space on the belly flights of the passenger airlines.

Actually, not all. There are only a handful of dedicated cargo airlines, and only a minority of passenger airlines have distinct cargo subsidiaries (inc SQC and Lufthansa), with most passenger airlines having a cargo division, department or unit.

[Edited 2008-12-11 04:50:50]


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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2567 times:



Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 9):
Actually, not all. There are only a handful of dedicated cargo airlines, and only a minority of passenger airlines have distinct cargo subsidiaries (inc SQC and Lufthansa), with most passenger airlines having a cargo division, department or unit.

That's right. CI Cargo is the same company as CI and the pilots are interchangable.



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User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

LH Cargo pilots are not interchangable as LCAG flies MD-11F's and LH does not. Needless to say a lot of pilots change between the two if I am correct.


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9118 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2546 times:
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Quoting DALCA (Reply 11):
LH Cargo pilots are not interchangable as LCAG flies MD-11F's and LH does not. Needless to say a lot of pilots change between the two if I am correct.

Yes, but as FO you need to stay at least 3 years and as Captain at least 5 years. I was flying 737s for LH and now I am on MD11F at LH Cargo for 3 years and then I am going back to LH flying passengers on 744/ 748i (I hope).

I don't know how it is with SQ and SQ Cargo, but back when we had B742s as freighter and passenger, pilots were flying both. it was no problem to interchange them.

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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9239 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2532 times:



Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 9):
You are most welcome to write to IATA and tell them they got their interpretations wrong. How do you account for the cargo being carried inside non-dedicated passenger aircraft then, when all cargo holds in all SQ/SQC aircraft are managed by SQC?

The cargo holds are not "managed" by SQC, they are managed by SIA, the space in those holds is "sold" by SQC.

The "interpretation" mistake was not IATAs, they clearly said "Singapore Airlines", which is the group, not the subsidiary SQC, you are the one who said "SQC is the 6th largest cargo", not IATA.

Singapore Airlines Ltd and Singapore Airlines Cargo Pte Ltd are two separate carriers, with two different Singapore Air Operators Certificates, and two different business addresses ...

Singapore Airlines Ltd Airline House, 25 Airline Road, Singapore 819829
Singapore Airlines Cargo Pte Ltd 05J, SATS Airfreight Terminal 5, 30 Airline Road, Singapore 819830

from http://www.caas.gov.sg/caas/en/Aviat...r_Certificate_Holders/?__locale=en

Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 9):
If we want to be sticky about such details, perhaps Cathay Pacific, currently five largest, should be struck off the list since it is merely a unit and is not a separate entity the way SQC and Lufthansa Cargo are?

CX operates as one entity, one business address, one air operators certificate, and all 744 pilots have done the "freighter" differences.

What IATA posted was correct, they posted the combined figures for the groups listed, not the individual subsidiaries like SQC. For that matter, I have not seen SQC make a public statement on their own capacity or loads factor, excluding the SIA belly space.



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2480 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 13):
The cargo holds are not "managed" by SQC, they are managed by SIA, the space in those holds is "sold" by SQC

Zeke is correct. The marketing of all cargo, either SIA or SQC is done by SIA Cargo. SIA owns the bellies of all pax aircraft and SQC owns all the capacity on the 744F.
Both operations are on separate AOCs and are separate entities.

While SQC doesn't release much in the way of load factors or financials, the group (SIA) does release some of those figures on a quarterly and annual basis.

Some administrative functions such as crew scheduling, training and checking are handled by SQC and SQC staff. Other functions, such as payroll, maintenance and other functions are handled by SIA and there is an internal billing that occurs between the two companies.


User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2180 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 13):
The cargo holds are not "managed" by SQC, they are managed by SIA, the space in those holds is "sold" by SQC.



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 14):
The marketing of all cargo, either SIA or SQC is done by SIA Cargo. SIA owns the bellies of all pax aircraft and SQC owns all the capacity on the 744F.
Both operations are on separate AOCs and are separate entities.

I stand corrected on this issue, although it is obviously clear that SQC do not own the passenger aircraft. The disparity here is just how much "control" SQC has over the belly cargo space, before it can be considered as part of SQC's figures, as IATA has already done.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 13):
The "interpretation" mistake was not IATAs, they clearly said "Singapore Airlines", which is the group, not the subsidiary SQC, you are the one who said "SQC is the 6th largest cargo", not IATA.

When I say "SQC", I refer to all cargo space marketed and cargo managed by SQC, so in this regard, it is not wrong to say "Singapore Airlines" actually refers to Singapore Airlines Cargo in the said table. I would also be hesitant to say the figure is for "Singapore Airlines Group", because we aren't sure if it includes cargo handled by SilkAir.



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2137 times:



Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 15):
The disparity here is just how much "control" SQC has over the belly cargo space, before it can be considered as part of SQC's figures, as IATA has already done.

Quite simple, SQC has zero control of the belly space. If, for some reason the cargo space they have sold is subsequently needed for additional fuel uplift, pax bags or any other reason, SQ will off load the cargo and the flight will leave without it.


User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2089 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 16):
Quite simple, SQC has zero control of the belly space. If, for some reason the cargo space they have sold is subsequently needed for additional fuel uplift, pax bags or any other reason, SQ will off load the cargo and the flight will leave without it.

This true with LH Cargo as well, though on the most routes a minimum of space is guaranteed so that certain commitments to the customers are met. It also works vice versa. If it is known beforehand that there is a 70% chance of the passenger side not using all their baggage positions then extra cargo will be taken to the aircraft.



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