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AA To Launch DFW MAD  
User currently offlineKeny156 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11125 times:

AA will fly the route with its 225-seat Boeing 767-300 aircraft with a Business Class and Economy Class service configuration.

About the inaugural and return flights:
Flight 36 is scheduled to leave DFW at 5:35 p.m., Fri., May 1 and arrive in Madrid at 10 a.m., Saturday, May 2 – a flight lasting approximately 9 hours, 25 minutes.
The first departure from Spain, Flight 37, is scheduled to leave Madrid at 1:10 p.m., Saturday, May 2 and arrive at DFW at 4:45 p.m. the same day – a flight lasting approximately 10 hours, 35 minutes.

AA is making this investment with the belief that our Joint Business Agreement and antitrust immunity application with British Airways and Iberia will ultimately be approved.
Antitrust immunity will allow all of the participating airlines to work together on international routes by coordinating their service, schedules, connections and fares to deliver more travel options for customers.

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User currently offlineAA 777 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 807 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11050 times:
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I think its pretty safe to say that we saw this coming! Good news for AA and hopefully eventually ATI with BA & IB


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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2239 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11028 times:

The official scoop:

http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pr...ssReleases/2008_12/11_dfwmad.jhtml



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10913 times:

You know, I wish Iberia would do this route instead of AA and codeshare with AA. There is too much bling at DFW International. We need some 70's orange and yellow A340's there! Too much silver at that BEAUTIFUL new terminal!

But, I'm very glad that AA is restarting the route from DFW. Makes sense as there are quite a few Latin American flights that could feed this international flight. Not sure why it was axed unless in the 90's DFW didn't have a great Latin American base of flights. (Still nothing compared to MIA though).

UAL


User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10807 times:

Could this be also because of just a lot of congestion at MIA in the evening, better use of gates, etc?

This will make for easier connections from many western US cities..rather than a double connection.

It would be nice though if this flight originated at LAX..thus thru 767 service to MAD. But we will take what we can get!


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24310 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10700 times:

Good deal. DFW flight should allow for better routings from across the Western US.

MIA flight can now focus more in local O&D and Latin connections.



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User currently offlineAirlittoralguy From France, joined Nov 2005, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10667 times:

Has American not already flown DFW-MAD ?? If so, when was it ? What was the schedule of the flights compared to this one ?


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10573 times:

AA did indeed fly DFW-MAD in the past; it was never tremendously successful. Perhaps this time it can be promoted as an alternative transfer location to LHR.

I hope this is successful for AA!!



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7320 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10508 times:

Excellent news! I saw this coming, I just never was exactly sure when. Now AA passengers at DFW passengers will have an alternative to LHR for places to transfer in Europe. Especially with ATI coming up (and probable approval), this route will be very successful!

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
AA did indeed fly DFW-MAD in the past; it was never tremendously successful.

AA didnt have the ties with IB like they do now. Thats what will make this flight.

I think now, DFW has the flights it needs to Europe. They have:

Their biggest O&D markets: LHR, CDG, and FRA
Connections markets: LHR and MAD (AA), AMS (KL), and FRA (LH).

This announcement makes me one happy dude!
 cloudnine   cloudnine   cloudnine 

Now, AA needs to start MIA-MXP. Thats hopefully the next in line. Its begging for it.



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10463 times:

Nice! MAD will now see AA 777 from MIA and 763 from DFW!


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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1070 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10362 times:



Quoting Airlittoralguy (Reply 6):
Has American not already flown DFW-MAD ?? If so, when was it ?

Yes, AA flew from DFW to MAD previously from 26th May 1988 until 1st November 1993. It was a daily flight, operated by Boeing 767-200ER aircraft.

Quoting Airlittoralguy (Reply 6):
What was the schedule of the flights compared to this one ?

Interestingly, the new schedule is almost the same as the one that AA started flying over 20 years ago with absolutely identical arrival and departure times in Madrid.
They are using new (but similar) flight numbers now since AA66/67 are now used for Chicago-London.

Dallas/Fort Worth – Madrid (effective 26th May 1988)
AA66 DFW 1740 MAD 1035 daily 762
AA67 MAD 1310 DFW 1710 daily 762

Dallas/Fort Worth – Madrid (effective 1st May 2009)
AA36 DFW 1735 MAD 1035 daily 763
AA37 MAD 1310 DFW 1645 daily 763



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User currently offlineAirlittoralguy From France, joined Nov 2005, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10339 times:

Ok thanks you for these informations.


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10309 times:



Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 10):
They are using new (but similar) flight numbers now

Yeah - I thought that was interesting. They're using 36/37 for the DFW-MAD flights, which going back to the early 90s was the flight numbers for the old ORD-ZRH flight, which then got shifted to DFW-ZRH in 2000 and then stayed there until 2006 or 2007, if I remember correctly, when DFW-ZRH was finally dropped and AA consolidated into just the JFK-ZRH flight.


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10269 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
AA did indeed fly DFW-MAD in the past; it was never tremendously successful.

Actually in one of my airline economics textbooks I own, this route is cited as a poor-yielding trans-Atlantic route. It consistently had monthly LFs in the high 90s, but the yields were absolutely atrocious. I imagine now that AA has a better developed network through Mexico and Latin America from DFW, an code-share partner (IB) at Madrid, things will improve quite a bit.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7126 posts, RR: 87
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10249 times:

Good news for AA and DFW. This route has been on the rumor block for some time now.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 12):
2007

Oct. 28, 2007.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10234 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 12):
when DFW-ZRH was finally dropped and AA consolidated into just the JFK-ZRH flight.

Wow, didn't know the DFW-ZRH flight was dropped. I flew it back in 2000/2001 for new years in Roma, and the load going to ZRH was horrible! And to top it off, that was back when it was a 772ER route! I sort of wished I had transited through LGW as it would have been a chance to fly on the AA MD-11, but alas, I got that chance on DL in 2002.

There must have been a lot of rich Texas premium traffic heading to Swiss banks, or so a flight attendant told me when I asked why such a large aircraft was on the route.

But yeah, I don't understand the thinking of DFW-ZRH with a 777 other than the big Swissair Code Sharing, which didn't last too long I don't think.

UAL


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7320 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10185 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 15):
But yeah, I don't understand the thinking of DFW-ZRH with a 777 other than the big Swissair Code Sharing, which didn't last too long I don't think.

DFW-ZRH used to be one of AA's highest yielding routes. When the Swiss codeshare went, the route practically died.


Quoting JCS17 (Reply 13):
I imagine now that AA has a better developed network through Mexico and Latin America from DFW, an code-share partner (IB) at Madrid, things will improve quite a bit.

Indeed. DFW-MAD now vs. in the early 90's is apples and oranges. DFW has grown so much and the economy is so much larger there now. Not to mention AA and IB are very close and seeking ATI. Given the amount of connections, I believe this route will be a success.

There are 3 things that will make this route better than it was in the 80's-90's:

1) More O&D due to the way DFW and its businesses have grown
2) Hubs on both ends to connect passengers to just about anywhere
3) DFW is a much bigger hub than it was during that time



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10164 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 16):
DFW-ZRH used to be one of AA's highest yielding routes. When the Swiss codeshare went, the route practically died.

Indeed.

In the 2000-2001 period, right after the route shifted from ORD, and right around the time that the AA-SR (and then AA-LX) relationship was really deepening, DFW-ZRH was among AA's most profitable transatlantic flights.

Anecdotal, I know, but I remember when I was once fly ZRH-DFW when the 3-class 767-300ERs were running on it, and a friend who was the Purser told us that the entire F cabin was full with a single group of corporate customers from a big oil company flying out of the Mid East, through ZRH, to DFW, and on to IAH that day.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9766 times:

This was inevitable for this summer...now bring on Miami-Malpensa next November and we've got things rolling.

I've also been hearing that AA might replace Iberia on IAD/BOS-MAD with 75Ls when ATI comes into effect (340 is way too much plane for both routes, especially between September and May), and that Iberia might return to LA by spring 2010.



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User currently onlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1661 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9663 times:

Is there a possibility of a 3rd daily DFW-NRT flight? What about a daily JL 77W?


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7320 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9674 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
This was inevitable for this summer...now bring on Miami-Malpensa next November and we've got things rolling.

A couple of months ago, I talked with the people I know at AA and the only route they gave me that was going to be started for sure was DFW-MAD. But they did tell me that MIA-MXP was being "seriously considered". I dont know at what point theyre at right now with it. MIA-MXP has to be close to the very top of their list to start.

From what I last heard (and maybe you can correct me if you heard otherwise), ORD wasnt going to get any new routes to Europe until the 75's are here. My friend who works at AA seemed sure that MIA was going to get a new European route this spring (presumably MXP), but this was months ago.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7320 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9642 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 26):
Is there a possibility of a 3rd daily DFW-NRT flight?

Loads and yields are super high on DFW-NRT (both flights). Some of the best in their system. However, I think if anyone adds another DFW-NRT, it will drown yields.

DFW has 18 flights a week nonstop to Asia (AA and KE). Thats really good.

I would like to see AA add one more nonstop flight to Asia from DFW (probably ICN or PVG). However, (plainly put) it isnt happening any time soon.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9640 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 27):

From what I last heard (and maybe you can correct me if you heard otherwise), ORD wasnt going to get any new routes to Europe until the 75's are here. My friend who works at AA seemed sure that MIA was going to get a new European route this spring (presumably MXP), but this was months ago.

Personally, I have not heard of any new ORD-Europe 75L route rumors; the range is pretty limited, can't do much outside of the British Isles. The talk has focused on new routes from JFK.

I could never imagine AA launching a Miami-Europe route in the spring. It would launch in November during peak.

Though I'm optimistic we will see Miami-Milan soon - it's such a logical move for AA: largest long-haul O&D market unserved from Miami; largest long-haul O&D market unserved from Milan; good mix of tourist, VFR and business traffic; and Milan is one of the largest Europe-Latin America/Caribbean markets, but only has service to GRU (excluding holiday flights).

Also, in 2010, I expect we will see AA or IB flying Miami-Barcelona.

The original plan was to have all 18 75Ls flying exclusively to Europe. Hopefully that is still what AA plans to do with these planes. In addition to JFK/ORD, I also expect it on BOS-CDG, and I think it would be awesome if, when AA/BA start profit sharing, AA starts opening secondary markets from Heathrow like Columbus.

[Edited 2008-12-11 14:46:31]


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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9529 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 12):

DFW-ZRH was 37/38, just FYI.  Smile

I had the privilege of flying AA 38 DFW-ZRH on a 772.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9486 times:



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 30):
DFW-ZRH was 37/38, just FYI.  

Right you are. My mistake.


25 LAXdude1023 : What I had heard was that new routes wouldnt be opened until they came on, but not necesarily that they would be from ORD. Maybe it involves plane sh
26 LAXdude1023 : Not for much longer. BA 194 08MAR-17MAR IAHLHR 525P 715A+ 744 BA 196 13MAR-27MAR IAHLHR 935P 1125A+ 744 Starting Mar. 29.: BA 194 29MAR-23OCT IAHLHR
27 CityofAthens : Well it depends which version of the BA 747 we're talking about ... BA currently operates the 'Hi-J' seating 70 in CW, and 'mid-J' which seats 52 in C
28 SANFan : And I remember the flights well because they originated and terminated in SAN: (from the 10-1-88 AA timetable which was the first one I could get my
29 Rafabozzolla : Makes a lot of sense That would be interesting. LAX needs a southern European gateway (we know by now that MXP and FCO won't work w/o connections at
30 ContinentalEWR : They flew this route before in the early 1990's then moved it to MIA.
31 Breaker1011 : Isn't MAD a little out of the way for "great" connections within most of continental Europe? Pretty far west on the continent. DFW-TXL (heart of Euro
32 LAXdude1023 : We will have to agree to disagree there. I think this flight will be successful. Comparing it to 1990 is apples and oranges. IB flies them and AA has
33 Commavia : MAD may be somewhat out of the way for northern and eastern Europe, but is far less out of the way when it comes to southern Europe and the Mediterra
34 Breaker1011 : 1998 to be exact, I said 1990's. Don't get me wrong guys - I hope it works. But it won't be a slam dunk. One thing that's changed for sure since then
35 LAXdude1023 : What makes the route attractive is that there are hubs on both ends and AA and IB are poised for JV. Not necesarily because its another flight to Spa
36 Breaker1011 : You know I don't remember the year truly, any way you know of to look it up from back then? I thought we still flew it as I left, in addition to MIA.
37 MAH4546 : It was until November 1, 1993. It overlapped with MIA for a short while.
38 Sflaflight : If I were AA, I would get my butt moving on this one. It looks like LH is becoming very aggressive at MXP, and I'm sure they are eyeing this one too.
39 SCL767 : I think AA will start MIA-MXP by November 2009.
40 Gemuser : It seems UAL747s post I was referring to was deleted, hence so was my post 30! In answer to your question: yes. There would most likely be some paylo
41 LAXdude1023 : I certainly hope so. It would be great market for AA to be in. MIA-MXP has lots of high yeilding traffic. Do you think DFW-SYD could fill an A380? I
42 Incitatus : Dallas-Paris-Madrid and Dallas-Madrid-Paris are about the same distance. When it comes to travel time, the convenience of the connection may count mo
43 LAXdude1023 : It was 1993. I double checked. The target of this flight is: On the USA side- Texas, the Southwest, The West Coast (particularly California), Mexico,
44 Ocracoke : In the mid 1990s.... CO EWR-MAD DL JFK-MAD, ATL-MAD, JFK-BCN, ATL-BCN (combined during winter) UA? Last time I flew internationally out of MAD was in
45 LAXdude1023 : They might not be huge in number from those particular areas, however when you add: all of these together, AA wont have a problem filling the plane.
46 Gemuser : There are several point to consider here: IMHO there is sufficient traffic if DFW is made the "Gateway to the East" ie North America, east of the Roc
47 LAXdude1023 : I would love to see QF at DFW! But as you say, im not getting excited until we see the Kangaroo tail at Terminal D. Its nice to know that there seems
48 Commavia : I personally think DFW-SYD would be a smash success for several reasons: 1) Arriving into and transiting through DFW is now an effortless and pleasur
49 LAXdude1023 : While I agree that arriving into DFW is easy and effortless and DFW is my favorite airport to transit in bar-none, QF passengers transiting to AA fli
50 Commavia : Only the BNE and AKL flights. SYD and MEL now all got to TBIT, and even if people make the move via the underground tunnels to actually clear custome
51 Klkla : Transit Visa's are a much greater problem for travelers from Mexico and Latin America. Not only that, most major Latin American cities also have dire
52 Gemuser : OK, BUT add in NYC traffic already on QF/AA and traffic that I am sure they could attract off UA due to better connections at DFW than QF/AA currentl
53 Jacobin777 : Given they were going to do AKL-DFW just a few years ago (it was already announced, etc.), I could see QF going for DFW again. Also, neither SFO nor
54 Gemuser : Not to mention 14x daily DFW-DCA. Given the amount of government traffic Canberra-DC & vv a factor not to be dismissed. And as AA would undoubtedly c
55 Jacobin777 : That's true...I forgot about that one.. . Add DFW-XNA....and we have an Australia-Wal Mart connection winner....
56 ElmoTheHobo : You mixed them up - Sydney, Melbourne and New York Kennedy go through Terminal 4, Auckland and Brisbane through TBIT. And I'll agree with you 100%, T
57 Commavia : Nope - check again - it just changed. Now that SYD and MEL are getting A380s, they have moved over to TBIT, since T4 cannot handle them. They moved b
58 Danfearn77 : Good point made. As a quick side question, will the tie up between AA/BA/IB affect LHR much?
59 ElmoTheHobo : I stand corrected. Something everyone can agree with. TBIT is a disgrace both to Los Angeles and to Tom Bradley. Terminal 4 is way ahead of Tom Bradl
60 Super80DFW : Any chance of a DFW-DUB when and if a 763 becomes free?
61 MAH4546 : I would say absolutely no chance, especially with EI out of oneWorld.
62 LAXdude1023 : Personally I would love nothing more than to see QF at DFW! Well just have to wait and see. Zero. Frankly though, I think with MAD, DFW has all the d
63 Sflaflight : Yeah, that is pretty accurate. I would say DFW is where it needs to be. No, that aircraft needs to run MIA-MXP or BCN or even SVO before that. Hate t
64 LAXdude1023 : I do think DFW needs another Asian route from AA, however with Europe, and the upgrade for DFW-GRU, DFW is covered in every other area of the world.
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