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MEA's First New A320-200  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Here are the first photos of MEA's first of six new A320-200s carrying the new revised livery conducting test flights in Toulouse:

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It should be delivered in January and will carry a Lebanese registration (OD-XXX) unlike MEA's current A321s and A330s which carry French registrations (F-XXXX).

MEA leased 2 A320s and 2 A321s back in 1997 to replace its last 707s. Another A320 was leased in 2000. All these however were returned in 2003 when MEA replaced its entire leased A320/A321/A300/A310 fleet with a fleet of six owned A321s and three leased A330s.

MEA will receive three A320s in the first half of next year with the remaining three being delivered in 2010. MEA also has two options for 2011 deliveries.


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12321 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4247 times:



Quoting BA (Thread starter):
It should be delivered in January and will carry a Lebanese registration (OD-XXX) unlike MEA's current A321s and A330s which carry French registrations (F-XXXX).

Doesn't this pose a significant risk, if the Israelis decide that they feel like another northbound excursion; last time - back in '06 - the French registered acft were allowed to be ferried out, because they were owned by foreign lessors. They might not be allowed to do the same with OD- registered aircraft.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4232 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 1):

Doesn't this pose a significant risk, if the Israelis decide that they feel like another northbound excursion; last time - back in '06 - the French registered acft were allowed to be ferried out, because they were owned by foreign lessors.

French registration has nothing to do with ownership.

MEA's six A321s are owned by MEA, not foreign lessors. Only MEA's original three A330s are owned by ILFC and the four new A330s (first one delivered in June) that are replacing MEA's original three leased A330s are owned by MEA.

MEA will own its entire fleet when it returns its original three A330s next year to ILFC which will then go on to Gulf Air.

I do not know the precise details, but I know MEA has been wanting to register its aircraft in Lebanon for a long time.

Here is an article about this issue although it doesn't provide much details:
http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/Ne...0/84ECCB35669380A2C22574C7002560A2



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 1):
Doesn't this pose a significant risk, if the Israelis decide that they feel like another northbound excursion; last time - back in '06 - the French registered acft were allowed to be ferried out, because they were owned by foreign lessors.


This has nothing to do with the fact they are F-XXXX registered :

In the past tormented history of Lebanon, MEA had several times the sad occasion to fly its aircraft out of the country to protect them from bombing. That was the case with the B747 and B707 during the Civil war in the 80s & 90s. Most of them were stored and maintained at ORY by Air Inter and/or AF. They were often chartered with their Crew by AF and IT (Air Inter) to provide additional flights on their network.
Those aircraft were not F-XXXX registered.

Note also this is not the first time MEA is operating the A320.
Between 1997 and 2004, up to 3 A320 were operated by MEA : F-OHMO, F-OHMR, F-OHLO

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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Very nice livery on the A320 IMO...!

User currently offlineKamboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

The more and more I look at the new livery the more and more it becomes very bland. I mean they added a couple of strike through lines (red, Blue), so what. What would really make the design stand about is a more dominant MEA logo on the upper side of the windows not below for more visibility. Also they needed more red on the tail.

User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

With all those new planes joining the fleet, will there be an expansion of the route network? I very much wish so. MEA is a fine airline and I am badly missing flights to/from BEY that allow me to do weekend round trips from Europe without having to return at 3am.

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3766 times:



Quoting Mozart (Reply 6):
With all those new planes joining the fleet, will there be an expansion of the route network?

Check this thread:

MEA To Launch Moscow, Khartoum, Madrid, And Iraq (by BA Oct 3 2008 in Civil Aviation)



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineGoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

IMHO, the new livery looks even better on smaller aircraft...

Now looking forward to see route opening and how they will do...

I would have though preferred less A32x and more CRJ700 to increase frequencies!



MEA raising the Cedar far up in the sky
User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

I think that regional jets would be incredibly useful for ME. Look at what RJ's done!
They could serve
-ALY
-SSH
-AMM
-DAM
-LCA
-ATH
-DOH
-KWI
-DMM

In addition, they should seek to establish high frequencies at
-DXB
-CAI
-LHR
-CDG
-FRA
-JED

Long-haul wise, the airline should focus on launching (or restarting) a few routes in addition to strengthening ties with AF such as YUL, YYZ, NYC, GRU/GIG, SYD and perhaps HKG/BKK/SIN.
This has been said for a long time. It remains to be seen whether MEA will implement all this.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

In October, MEA's Chairman, Mohammad El-Hout, mentioned that they were negotiating with Bombardier for regional jets.

Check this thread:
MEA Seeks Up To Eight 787s Or A350s (by BA Oct 23 2008 in Civil Aviation)



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

I assume the A320s will have the new C class seats as well?

I watched that video that you provided in the other link (thanks again for that! thumbsup  ), but to be honest I found that slide show quite lame. Cheesy music to show different angles of the seat - but always in upright position! For advertising, it would have made sense to show it in lie-flat position, table extended, storage space, etc.

In any case, I'll most probably test it in a couple of days unless they do a last minute A/C swap. Curious to experience what the video did not show  Wink


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3106 times:



Quoting GoMEA (Reply 8):
IMHO, the new livery looks even better on smaller aircraft...

My thought exactly! Now send one to Brussels, or to anywhere my potential career as an EU official may take me in the future.



I want the European Union flag on airliners.net!
User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2998 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 9):
I think that regional jets would be incredibly useful for ME. Look at what RJ's done!



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 9):
In addition, they should seek to establish high frequencies at
-DXB
-CAI
-LHR
-CDG
-FRA
-JED

I think we all agree MEA needs a RJ fleet besides its "classic" A320/A321/A330 fleet but as it says for a "regional" use only and certainly not to serve European destinations such as CDG/FRA/LHR or even DXB.

I can see a potential MEA RJ fleet used between BEY and CAI, LCA, DAM, AMM, ALY, LKT AYT, ESB, EVN but not further.
Knowing well the Lebanese and Middle Eastern customers, I don't think they would appreciate the RJs* on flights of more than 1h30 ...

* by RJs, I mean CRJ100/200/700/900 or ERJ135/145/170.


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2719 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2833 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 13):
Knowing well the Lebanese and Middle Eastern customers, I don't think they would appreciate the RJs* on flights of more than 1h30 ...

That's true ! Lebanese for example where used to fly BEY-LCA 40 minutes flight on board B707 and B720 !

Alex!!!



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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Totally agree!
MEA could try using the RJs to further European points such as BRU, AMS, Cologne, NCE etc instead of mainline A320 family aircraft since they aren't exactly high-demand and MEA doesn't have the behind network to sustain them (unless they want to do 1x weekly A320 flights, a strategy I abhor).
Interesting to note that MS is planning to launch E-170 flights to Europe (Catania) and already flies long flights such as SSH-DOH and RMF(Marsa Alam, small small resort in Egypt)-KWI.


User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2733 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 15):
MEA could try using the RJs to further European points such as BRU, AMS, Cologne, NCE etc instead of mainline A320 family aircraft since they aren't exactly high-demand

BRU, AMS are destinations that could sustain 2 or 3 x Weekly services.
The problem for MEA is that they don't have enough aircraft to serve all the destinations they want so they had to make a choice a few years ago an keep only the most profitable ones.

Again, I don't think RJs are adapted for flights of 4h30 or more like BEY-AMS, BEY-BRU.


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Just to remind you that MEA's initial intention was to get RJs but heavy marketting from Airbus made them choose the A319. So the order was for A319s but they had to switch it to A320s because Airbus was unable to meet the high order book on the A319.

Now that they were pushed for the A320, I don't see too unlikely a renewed interest in RJs sometime in the near future.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

I would be curious to know what MEA's plans are for its A321s.

Anyone have any idea on when they plan to repaint them?

Any news on a possible interior refurbishment to bring them to the same level as the new A320s?



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2536 times:



Quoting OD720 (Reply 17):
Now that they were pushed for the A320, I don't see too unlikely a renewed interest in RJs sometime in the near future.

Once again, it all depends on what you put behind "RJ" : if you think about the 90/100 seater Emb170/Emb190, you are right.
But I think MEA does need smaller planes for its REAL regional/local markets, I mean flights up to 1 hour / 1h15 such as AMM, CAI, ALY, DAM, ALP, LCA.
CRJ100/200 or ERJ135/145 or even regional Turboprop ATR42/72 style.


User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2768 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

I guess those new A320s have also PTVs in all classes as the other small Airbusses in MEA's fleet.....I was impressed reading this at the time, and I wondered (and still wonder) why most airlines do not install PTVs on short-haul airplanes... And of course, I think in the first place of El Al... Their flights to/from Europe take exactly the same time as MEA's...and it would indeed be great to have a personal screen; when I fly on LX airplanes between Switzerland and Israel, it's nice to use those devices, it makes the flight shorter.


Regarding the livery...I was not a fan of MEA's previous scheme, but compared to the "new" one it was much more elegant. I find these colored stripes absolutely hideous, it looks like a cheap charter airline.

Quoting Kamboi (Reply 5):
What would really make the design stand about is a more dominant MEA logo on the upper side of the windows not below for more visibility

I agree 100%.



I bitterly miss the livery that should never have been changed (repetition...)
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