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FlyBe Announces LGW-NQY  
User currently offlineNQYGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

http://www.flybe.com/news/0812/2971.htm


Flybe, Europe’s largest and most successful regional airline today makes the first of two announcements concerning its plans for substantial growth at London Gatwick airport in the Summer Season of 2009. The first announcement offers great news for Newquay and the South West with the launch of the region’s only non-stop multi frequency route between Newquay and the UK Capital.


Weekdays- NQY-LGW:
Departures at: 0725, 1430 & 1820.

Weekdays- LGW-NQY:
0930, 1605, 1955

Weekend schedules vary. 1x flight Saturday and 2x Sunday. Operated by Q400.

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User currently offlineNZaholic From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Those timings suggest that a Q400 will be based at NQY.

Also, that there is a big enough gap after it's first rotation to LGW, to go somewhere else from NQY before the 2nd rotation.

Rumours elsewhere of 3 Q400's also to be based at LGW from Summer 09 - could this be the much rumoured takeover of some BA shorthaul?


User currently offlineNQYGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Aircraft to be officially based at LGW on paper.. Obviously night stopping at NQY for certain weekday evenings.

User currently offlineEljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

So NQY now has (by my calculation...), up to six daily return flights to LGW. This seems like overkill to me - is it possible that there is now perhaps a little too much capacity on the LON-NQY route?
Last night BBC Spotlight ran a report on the new Flybe service, but also simultaneously reported that Ryanair had announced that they are pulling out of the airport for the foreseeable future (due to the recent closure and mishandling of the handover from the RAF). It made me contemplate what the effect this announcement will have on Ryanair's operations from NQY now that they shall be competing with two other airlines with better timings etc. Or, does FR have an advantage because they operate the service from STN, rather than LGW (where Air Southwest and Flybe will soon be competing against each other on the NQY route).


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Really bad news for Air Southwest and Plymouth. This could well kill both of them off.

Looks like a bit of blatant anti-competitive behaviour by flyBe. If ASW have any sense they'll be off to the OFT to complain - especially if there is a bit of behind the scenes funding helping this one along.

Certainly it doesn't need 6 daily flights from LGW to NQY. and if Ryanair decide they are pulling out, then it will doubtless be because their latest deal has run out and its all bluster to try and get a new one.



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User currently offlineCaaardiff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

Didn't BA operate to NQY until recently? I remember reading it was for slot purposes and didn't actually make a profit, and to scare ASW. But ASW held their own quite well and have a good following.
Hopefully they can keep up the battle with BE.
ASW operate x4 daily according to their schedule:
NQY-LGW
0720
1105
1445
1815

Which aside from 1105, is near identical timings to BE.
However most return services operate via PLH, which may not be an ideal selling point.


User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2167 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Great move by BE, interesting to see if this might open up a LGW base.

User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1635 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2374 times:



Quoting BA777 (Reply 6):
Great move by BE

Why's that then?

Read Cornish's post and consider the implications.



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2362 times:



Quoting BA777 (Reply 6):
Great move by BE, interesting to see if this might open up a LGW base

Yeah and I hope BA starts sharing codes on these flights.



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2327 times:



Quoting Cornish (Reply 4):
Looks like a bit of blatant anti-competitive behaviour by flyBe. If ASW have any sense they'll be off to the OFT to complain - especially if there is a bit of behind the scenes funding helping this one along.

Why shouldn't FlyBE be allowed to compete? BA have pulled out, Ryanair could be pulling out, it seems there certainly is a gap for them, and -Q400s are far better suited to the route than 737s.

More competition is only good news for the passengers.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2298 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 9):
Why shouldn't FlyBE be allowed to compete? BA have pulled out, Ryanair could be pulling out, it seems there certainly is a gap for them, and -Q400s are far better suited to the route than 737s.

More competition is only good news for the passengers.

More competition is only good news if it doesn't force one carrier to shut down its operations and perices then rise again as a result. If said new carrier then pulls out or reduces service at NQY having eliminated its competition in the South West, then how would that end up being good news for the passengers. If as a result Plymouth Airport reliant on ASW closes down forcing a city in a desperate economic state loses its direct air services to London and beyond, therefore making it even less attractive for new investment, then how exactly does that benefit anyone?

If flybe (using valuable slots at LGW) remove all competition from the Southwest to benefit their Exeter base, what's to stop them eventually canning the LGW-NQY in favour of something more lucrative and then the south west may have no air links to London.

yes Flybe have a right to compete on the route if they want to (providing they are not getting funding and discounts that may drive a competitor out of business) but gradually flyBe are elminating all UK domestic competition to smaller regional airports and in the long term that will prove bad news to consumers.



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User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19098 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2291 times:



Quoting Cornish (Reply 4):
if Ryanair decide they are pulling out, then it will doubtless be because their latest deal has run out and its all bluster to try and get a new one.

Whereas Cornish would say nothing, sit back, pay whatever the airport says and that'll be that. That'll then result in a precedent for other airports when it comes to fee renewal. And before Cornish realises his total bill will be far more than previous years. Seems a clever strategy.  Silly



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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2278 times:



Quoting NZaholic (Reply 1):
Rumours elsewhere of 3 Q400's also to be based at LGW from Summer 09 - could this be the much rumoured takeover of some BA shorthaul?

Any rumours on which other routes BE may start from LGW?



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Also... I notice on their route map that IOM and EDI are their only other routes from NQY. Didn't they operate SOU to NQY at one point?


Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2255 times:



Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 12):
Any rumours on which other routes BE may start from LGW?

Heard rumours of DUS/FRA/AMS/EDI/GLA/MAN



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 10):

More competition is only good news if it doesn't force one carrier to shut down its operations and perices then rise again as a result. If said new carrier then pulls out or reduces service at NQY having eliminated its competition in the South West, then how would that end up being good news for the passengers. If as a result Plymouth Airport reliant on ASW closes down forcing a city in a desperate economic state loses its direct air services to London and beyond, therefore making it even less attractive for new investment, then how exactly does that benefit anyone?

Fair points, but I can't see FlyBE having too great an affect on Air Southwest's operation. As a previous poster stated, they will have a large following in the SW, and they are still the only airline flying between London and Plymouth. Furthermore, starting routes just to get rid of the competition is more of a Ryanair tactic (as they did with easyJet on the Ireland routes), and they've been operating to Newquay for years.

With the poor exchange rate between the pound and euro, many are expecting the amount of UK holidays to increase next year. Combined with the pull-out of BA, I can't see this being an anti-competitive move by BE. They have a history of taking over dropped BA domestic routes from Gatwick (Inverness, Aberdeen, Newcastle, Isle of Man), it seems this is just a similar move.

[Edited 2008-12-12 04:56:51]

User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2220 times:



Quoting NZaholic (Reply 1):
could this be the much rumoured takeover of some BA shorthaul?

In a word, NO.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2201 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 15):
Fair points, but I can't see FlyBE having too great an affect on Air Southwest's operation. As a previous poster stated, they will have a large following in the SW, and they are still the only airline flying between London and Plymouth. Furthermore, starting routes just to get rid of the competition is more of a Ryanair tactic (as they did with easyJet on the Ireland routes), and they've been operating to Newquay for years.

Oh it will. LGW-PLH-NQY is the core route for them. Without it they would struggle to justify running everything esle they have. and flyBE h. They have flights leaving at smilar times to ASW, but flying direct to NQY and advertising them at "23% cheaper than Air southwest." It'll have an impact all right. They may be the only airline flying to Plymouth but no more than half of ASW's passengers on the LGW-NQY run get off at PLH, they'd never make regular LGW-PLH only services work.

Removal of ASW gives them pretty much complete control of the southwest. And any closure of PLH that could conceivably result is good news for their Exeter base too.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
Whereas Cornish would say nothing, sit back, pay whatever the airport says and that'll be that. That'll then result in a precedent for other airports when it comes to fee renewal. And before Cornish realises his total bill will be far more than previous years. Seems a clever strategy.

Nope. Ryanair are absolutely right to do it. I would in their position. And likewise NQY in their position should fight it. No doubt the flybe deal makes them feel they have less need to give the airport away to Ryanair now. Lots of politics going on in the Far southwest these days.....



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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2165 times:



Quoting Cornish (Reply 4):
Really bad news for Air Southwest and Plymouth. This could well kill both of them off.

Agree on that point, but go back a few years flyBe (or British/Jersey European as it was then) was also struggling to become a big player on the UK domestic route. Interesting to note that flyBe is a Jersey based company so if the Cornish have any loyalty they will stick to ASW. Nevertheless if flyBe offers better deals and better frequencies, chances are loyalty will then go out of the window.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 15):
Furthermore, starting routes just to get rid of the competition is more of a Ryanair tactic (as they did with easyJet on the Ireland routes), and they've been operating to Newquay for years.

I do not think that FR starts routes just to get rid of the competition, as normally they start new routes to secondary airports. The only exception is on their home-turf, i.e. Ireland, which they will defend vigorously. U2 tried to muscle into Ireland and started services to Dublin, Cork, Shannon and Derry - all FR strongholds. Of course FR could not sit back and let them take their traffic, so they increased frequencies and reduced fares to scare off U2. U2 withdrew, IIRC, after less than one season.



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2112 times:



Quoting BCAL (Reply 18):
I do not think that FR starts routes just to get rid of the competition, as normally they start new routes to secondary airports. The only exception is on their home-turf, i.e. Ireland, which they will defend vigorously. U2 tried to muscle into Ireland and started services to Dublin, Cork, Shannon and Derry - all FR strongholds. Of course FR could not sit back and let them take their traffic, so they increased frequencies and reduced fares to scare off U2. U2 withdrew, IIRC, after less than one season.

Well it was actually Cork, Shannon and Knock that EZY started services to. Consequently, FR started new routes to these three destinations from Gatwick (they didn't already fly between LGW and these three airports). Following EZY's pull-out, FR too pulled out of the NOC-LGW route and reduced frequency on ORK-LGW.

FR had very little interest in NOC or ORK (only services to STN) before EZY started flying there.


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2088 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 19):
FR had very little interest in NOC or ORK (only services to STN) before EZY started flying there.

Sorry I meant Knock rather than Derry.
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As I said in my post, FR was defending their home territory against an invasion by U2. IIRC frequencies were reduced on FR's LGW-ORK due to the new charges imposed when Cork's new terminal was opened which made it uneconomic to operate multiple frequencies.



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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

As far as BE are concerned this is an excellent move! They're gonna win over WOW on this no problems, direct route will be more appealing to businesses and undoubtedly BE prices will be better than WOW. I hope it doesnt drive out WOW though, they're a great little airline too! However if it does push them off the NQY-LGW route I guess they'll try experimenting with new destinations, which will create better news and opportunity for NQY to grow!!


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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1870 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 14):
Heard rumours of DUS/FRA/AMS/EDI/GLA/MAN

I think FRA and DUS could do well (DUS in competition with FR's new route from LGW to NRN) and MAN could work, but I'd be surprised if they started EDI, GLA or AMS as BA and U2 have high frequencies on all three.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 21):
However if it does push them off the NQY-LGW route I guess they'll try experimenting with new destinations, which will create better news and opportunity for NQY to grow!!

If WOW were knocked off NQY to LGW it would probably be it would be the end of them.

Slightly off topic, but it seems from the FR website that they have cancelled all three routes from NQY, not only for the duration of the airport closure, but until the end of the winter schedule. I'm surprised that STN doesn't stay with at least a daily rotation throughout January and February.



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1726 times:



Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 22):
Slightly off topic, but it seems from the FR website that they have cancelled all three routes from NQY, not only for the duration of the airport closure, but until the end of the winter schedule. I'm surprised that STN doesn't stay with at least a daily rotation throughout January and February.

It's FR trying to prove a point ain't it?



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User currently offlineJER757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1636 times:



Quoting BCAL (Reply 18):
Interesting to note that flyBe is a Jersey based company so if the Cornish have any loyalty they will stick to ASW.

BE's main base is EXT. They have three aircraft and a crew base down in JER but there's been no big management based there for years.



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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Capacity-wise, it is not a big change. With BA and ASW, there were 350 seats on the route per day, with BE and ASW there will be 420 or so. Problem is off course that the BE schedule will hurt ASW's ability to attract higher yielding pax as BA was just a once-daily flight.

As far as BE at LGW is concerned, I guess some of the old Cityflyer routes will be a good guess for potential routes. For example, BE has applied for slots at DUS for a LGW service.


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