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Wall Street Journal Article On Emirates Crew  
User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 26290 times:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1228...9256789273.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Hey all,

Saw this on the WSJ website and found it really interesting and entertaining. One of my best friends from high school recently graduated from college in May and join Emirates in June - he loves it, and from our frequent conversations it seems to be an awesome time, pretty much like the article. I've hung out with him and some of his fellow crew members on layover and they definitely know how to have a good time! In fact, I'm seriously contemplating joining EK as crew. The article only psyched me up more!

Be sure to check out the slide show as well!


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User currently offlineJAFA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 782 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 26110 times:

Sheeeezz......give up my FNT and BUF layover for that! Never!

User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 26021 times:

I think you need to go in with your eyes open ... for someone that has never flown, Emirates is an exciting way to see places you may never access as a regular Joe ... the Emirates (and Etihad) crews look very glamorous but the reality can sometimes be a little different ... you need to bear in mind Emirates' passenger profile .... I've seen it as a pax and heard it from colleagues who used to fly with them .... if you don't mind apologising 1000 times to a passenger that has just hurled abuse at you for the last 5 hours ..... then you'll be fine; that's not an exaggeration ... that is Emirates' idea of Customer Service. I'm not saying it's right or wrong ... it's just that.

Shiny jets .... yes

Glamorous Crew .... yes

Layovers all over the world .... yes

Excellent training .... yes

Excellent products .... yes

Free accommodation in Dubai .... yes

Support from colleagues and company when you make mistakes .... nope

Zero tolerance against rude and abusive pax ..... definitely not . At Emirates', it's always your fault .....


Openly Gay? Scars? Tattoos? Not good-looking? ..... Forget it, Emirates won't want you.

Emirates is a bit like Dubai .... shiny on the outside .... but look on the inside, and you start to see a different picture.

Don't let me dampen your enthusiasm though ... if I was new to flying I would definitely apply to them and I'm sure I would have enjoyed it .... for a while. Just keep your eyes open.


User currently offlineMysterzip From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 25981 times:

I don't mean to rain on Emirates' parade or anyone who works for them or wants to, but:

Quote:
"I retouch it every 15 minutes," she said. "Otherwise, my supervisor will remind me."

Hmm...

Quote:
Young, single crew members are paired with roommates and housed in blocks of luxury-apartment towers across Dubai. The night life is reminiscent of college.

So... I'm working for a world class airline, but I can't get my own place? I think something's wrong with that (although this is somewhat excusable as Dubai, as far as I know, is known for young workers housed in dormitories)

Quote:
There are limits. Despite its tolerant attitude toward foreigners, Dubai still harbors a conservative Muslim culture. If a single female attendant shows up pregnant, she's fired. Openly gay male attendants need not apply. Premarital sex and homosexuality are both illegal in Dubai.

Are you kidding me? I wouldn't want to work for any workplace that discriminates like that. I'm sure Emirates is a great company is a great place to work for if you're a straight male. This also reminds me of the old textiles mills back in the 1800s (US) or 1700s (Europe).

Quote:
Michael Miller, a 29-year-old from Miami, has flown with Southwest Airlines Co. and JetBlue Airways Corp. He says Emirates pays less than his former employers, but the perks and lifestyle are better.

Emirates has a fairly limited route map, in terms of its United States coverage. Sure, it's expanding, but as people expected JetBlue and other young airlines to trim their growth and sure enough, JetBlue and others did. Emirates will do the same and even though they are backed by their government, it's still a sovereign, money-making(? - not sure about that) company.


User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 25884 times:

I concur, working as cabin crew in the Gulf for any carrier is great,
if you add the free appartment, cheap food and fuel you make a lot more than western airline crew!

Oh and did I mention that if you like cars, this place is paradise, even if you decide to own one.

You need to cope with some sh*t on the plane from pax, but thats a good joke aferwards with colleages!

Since the day I came to Bahrain years ago, I haven't regret a single day of it!


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 25607 times:

Feedback from a few of my colleagues who previously came from Emirates:

* Great for the first year, until you got over the novelty of partying all the time.
* Great moneywise

* Crap to work for - domineering management who never support you, ridiculously strict regulations on makeup, nails, etc. means you're always on edge

* Hideous inflight duties, no inflight rest facilities, demanding and rude passengers.

They're all very grateful to have escaped with a nice bit of savings, even though our network is far less wide-ranging and glamorous!



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User currently offlineCZECH380 From Czech Republic, joined Sep 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 25539 times:

How much is an average 1 year - contract for EK as a flight attendant worth? I know UAE is tax free, I would like to know how many weeks of holidays do they get / sick days?

User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1159 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 25519 times:

Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 3):
Are you kidding me? I wouldn't want to work for any workplace that discriminates like that. I'm sure Emirates is a great company is a great place to work for if you're a straight male

okay, its better not speak when you haven't experienced it. i would say that a large majority of our male attendants (cabin crew) are gay. they might not show it at work at all, but after work or during clubbing.... sheeeeeeeeeesh..... let the party start girlfriend! snap snap

[Edited 2008-12-11 23:05:01]


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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 25282 times:
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I have a few colleagues ex-EK.
It's fun the first year, but then...
Free accommodation ?? You stay in a tower far away from Dubai downtown or the beaches. Very often, the cabin crew stay in a different hotel than the cockpit crew (good for the CRM...), needless to say it's a different category of hotel.
An example of schedule ? You do MUC-DXB arrive early in DXB and depart back late in the evening to MNL. I don't talk about the kind of passengers they have, all the return night flights to the Indian sub-continent, the general atmosphere...

But most of the time, Europeans stay there for two years maximum. Simply because they aim working for their national flagship carrier. And that's where EK is a real asset in you CV if you apply later for carriers such as AF, LH, BA, KL, IB,...
Recently EK has been very interested by Slovakian, Czech, Polish, Ukrainian cabin crew, rather than west-European ones. You guess why.

But it can only be an interesting experience for your commercial skills IMO.

FB.



Life is great at 41.000 feet...
User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 25075 times:



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 11):
You do MUC-DXB arrive early in DXB and depart back late in the evening to MNL.

seems about right to me, 3hr time difference between the UAE and Germany 6-7hr flight (night flight not much going on after the first 2hrs) arrive in DXB by 8am back at home by 10am 12hr rest (more than I get in my current job) then do DXB-MNL and get a 48hr layover. not bad.

I recently flew CHC-SYD in J class on EK, had a very good chat with the purser..

They do DXB-SYD 24hr rest SYD-CHC 24hr rest - CHC - SYD 24hr rest SYD - DXB

They like the CHC run over the AKL as they get to stay in CHC, AKL (with the exception of MEL-AKL) are same day turn arounds for the crew.


Yes you have to factor in time difference etc but its not all doom and gloom!



EK A380 Private suite - Here I come!!
User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 25020 times:

Emirates does seem more like going to college for many people. Lots of sun and partying but it doesn't seem like the kind of place you could easily settle down and make a career out of, but then since they want their crew young and pretty that works well for them.

Quoting CityofAthens (Reply 2):
Openly Gay

I'm guessing that's either not very strictly enforced or EK guys are very good at hiding it. Either way I've seen quite a few of their guys that set the gaydar off.


User currently offlineEK773 From Malta, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 233 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 24798 times:



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 8):
You stay in a tower far away from Dubai downtown or the beaches

Wrong

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 8):
Very often, the cabin crew stay in a different hotel than the cockpit crew (good for the CRM...)

Wrong

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 8):
You do MUC-DXB arrive early in DXB and depart back late in the evening to MNL

Extremely extremely rare. MUC-DXB averages around 5h20m sector anyway.


User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 23022 times:

I think this article is great! It reminds me of the stories my mother told me back in her Braniff days. This is an exercise in rules that are lost on American carriers. Because of our appalling judicial system, airlines have lost the right to demand such policies from their crew.

If you don't like the policies, don't work for the airline. If an airline wants an F/A to be dressed to the nine, manicured and well shaven, that's their right. If your overweight and want to be a crew member, lose the weight.

Progressives must cringe at the sight of this article. As for myself, I see it as a turn in the right direction. As for our airlines in the states, we should take a page out of the Emirates book.



757: The last of the best
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22784 times:



Quoting EK773 (Reply 11):
Wrong



Quoting EK773 (Reply 11):
Wrong

Help us out then. Shed some light, please. How about answers to these questions: How senior is the most senior flight attendant? How long are the contracts for and how, if so, how many times can you renew them? Can you commute with EK? Is there an age cut-off (how old it too old with EK)?



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22622 times:



Quoting Manfredj (Reply 12):
If you don't like the policies, don't work for the airline. If an airline wants an F/A to be dressed to the nine, manicured and well shaven, that's their right. If your overweight and want to be a crew member, lose the weight.

Well I would agree with you to a certain extent ... but I think working for Emirates entails more than just looking fabulous ....  Wink


User currently offlineEK773 From Malta, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 233 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22572 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
How senior is the most senior flight attendant?

There are still crew flying who are from original batch one when the airline started in 1985.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
How long are the contracts for and how, if so, how many times can you renew them?

Contract is for 3years (based on the length of your UAE residence visa) and as the answer above explains, you can continue to re-sign as long as you wish based on your performance.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
Can you commute with EK?

No, all crew are based in DXB. Although crew take advantage of their days off to visit home.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
Is there an age cut-off (how old it too old with EK)?

To be honest, i dont know .. but based on answer one not everyone is 25yo.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 8):
You stay in a tower far away from Dubai downtown or the beaches

There is a presumption that all crew live in one building. However there are now over 10,000 cabin crew based in Dubai residing in various areas. Dubai does not really have a central downtown like a European or American city does so its difficult to say how far you live from the 'centre'. All accomodations are near one of the malls, beaches are not far in Dubai and nearly all accomodations have pool/gym facilities. They certainly dont live in the desert.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 8):
Very often, the cabin crew stay in a different hotel than the cockpit crew (good for the CRM...), needless to say it's a different category of hotel.

In every layover station worldwide cockpit and cabin crew stay in the same hotel.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22454 times:



Quoting EK773 (Reply 15):
No, all crew are based in DXB.

Does that mean you can't commute, EK frowns upon it? CO has bases in EWR, CLE and IAH, but I live in PHX. I understand that all crew are based in DXB.

Quoting EK773 (Reply 15):
There are still crew flying who are from original batch one when the airline started in 1985

How many? Sorry for the questions, it helps me get a better understanding.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineEK773 From Malta, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 233 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22323 times:

Where would you want to commute from, the US? That would involve an approx 14hour flight to Dubai and then you're not acclimatised or rested. Australia is also 14hours away and Europe is between 6-7hours. Its not quiet the same as communiting from PHX to IAH.

Sorry i cant give a correct answer for how many crew from batch one are still flying. Is anyone else able to answer this?


User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22115 times:

This thread is a classic example of the fact that we're all different and we all look for different things, at different stages in our life.

For someone new to flying, fresh out of college, and eager to travel - EK or even EY (as they are pretty much following the EK recruitment path) is an incredibly exciting opportunity - and a valuable experience.

I don't begrudge anyone who applies to them ... I would have, had I not secured a job with my national carrier first (I was very lucky in that respect). I've generally found their crew to provide very good service (on one or two occasions they did look a bit fed up, but I understand why after observing the way some of their customers treat them.)

Quoting EK773 (Reply 17):
Where would you want to commute from, the US? That would involve an approx 14hour flight to Dubai and then you're not acclimatised or rested. Australia is also 14hours away and Europe is between 6-7hours.

True .... not much point in commuting to/from DXB - in some cases, the geography makes it difficult, notwithstanding the prossibility that Emirates forbids it.

On the other hand, many people commute from Europe and beyond at BA .... it's entirely possible, especially as many trips generate 3, 4 and 5 days off, not to mention part-time contracts.

I guess if you're young and single though, that flexibility isn't as important!  Smile


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22070 times:

Quoting EK773 (Reply 17):
Where would you want to commute from, the US?

Anywhere. Distance doesn't matter when you have a place you truly call home. I commuted to EWR from SYD for three + years. Home means everything to me and would, literally, travel the world to get there.

Quoting EK773 (Reply 17):
Its not quiet the same as communiting from PHX to IAH.

I commute to EWR and it is a 5 hour flight. EK has two flights a day bewteen JFK-DXB (for example), good enough to commute. Keep in mind there are other carriers you can get Zed fares on to use. London has 8 flights (6 to LHR and 2 to LGW).

Quoting EK773 (Reply 17):
then you're not acclimatised or rested.

I would beg to differ, but that is me.

[Edited 2008-12-12 10:03:54]


You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21956 times:



Quoting CityofAthens (Reply 18):
This thread is a classic example of the fact that we're all different and we all look for different things, at different stages in our life.

For someone new to flying, fresh out of college, and eager to travel - EK or even EY (as they are pretty much following the EK recruitment path) is an incredibly exciting opportunity - and a valuable experience.

EK provides a huge and valuable experience in someone's independence and growth. A chance to see the world, be exposed to many different aspects of what the world has to offer, etc.. I am forever grateful to my carrier for offering that to me. I have seen every corner of the world with my carrier.

It may not be for some, but you won't know unless you try. Showing up for work is the hardest part, everything is else is downhill.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21888 times:

Here is any interesting comparison for everyone I work for EKs ground handlers at MEL, I just got home from a double shift EK405/407 departure (16:45-22:45) then the EK404 arrival shift (23:59-03:59) and have just got home now at 05:00. I will be back at work to do the same thing after sleeping until 14:00 roughly tonight. I will see the same crew going back to SIN on the 405 that came in on the 404, so as for the layovers would be up there I imagine with some of the worst ones, couldn't be to far off minimum rest for them.

The other thing to remember with the EK trips is that although, many are long haul, I'd imagine many are also day trip returns, with no layover.

I think that EK also highlights how crap the US system is for FA is. In Aus (at QF at least) you are employed for either long haul or short haul, thus those that like domestic can be there and those that don't do international sure takes a while for transfers if your not employed at the right one at the right time, but most people are happy where they are, none of this waiting couple of years to get off reserve and then a decade to do international. Everyone gets rostered reserve much fairer i feel.

I must say though personally I couldn't tolerate the way some of the EK pursers treat their crew from racism to general rude arrogance or their constant need to breif ehhh... ; )


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21803 times:



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 21):
I think that EK also highlights how crap the US system is for FA is

How so? Which US airline? They all do it different.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21700 times:
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Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 16):
Does that mean you can't commute, EK frowns upon it?

Correct. As far as EK is concerned, Europe and the Indian subcontinent are too far to commute from (let alone further off parts of the world such as the US), which is understandable. Closer to home, I have heard several reasons why commuting isn't an option, not all of them from the same people, so not all of them may be true.
-Some of Dubai's neighbors have limited options for crew travels (full flights) and/or are not the most stable countries in the world and there's no guarantee whatsoever that commuting employees will be able to report on time.
-Finding affordable, decent lodging in Dubai or the neighboring Emirates isn't easy, especially if you're not from the area or if you come from a culture/country where single women prepared to live on their own (the majority of EK crews) are few and far between (where a lot of EK crews come from).
-The starting salary isn't high compared to other carriers, especially in Europe, the US and Australia, and free, very comfortable, accommodations are supposed to make up for that.
-If EK started giving their crew the choice between free accommodation in Dubai or lodging allowance to live elsewhere, EK would have to figure out what allowance is appropriate to which country, what currency to pay it in and how often to update it based on fluctuating currency. Instead, the only allowance is for married couples who may find their own accommodation, as long as it is in Dubai.
-EK is a "control-freak" carrier. What better way to control your employees outside of work than to tell them where to sleep ?
-Despite everything else, Dubai is still a Muslim country where the habits of Western educated young people are frowned up, if not downright illegal, in some places and/or by some people. Keeping the crew in company accommodation makes them less likely to get in trouble for doing what they do.

With all that being said, some crew members do commute from time to time, but they do so discretely, on their own dime and giving themselves plenty of time to fly to and from. They do keep an "official" residence in Dubai nevertheless, if only because free transport is provided between home and airport.



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User currently offlineSevenforty From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21572 times:



Quoting TG992 (Reply 5):
no inflight rest facilities

oh forget it !

I wouldn't want to fly long-haul and not even be going home after a trip. Flying can be very lonely and drinking your way through it is no way to live.


25 Jacobin777 : What's the "different picture"? Most of the facts are known beforehand..its not as if one is joining Jim Jones camp in Guyana where no one knew what
26 CityofAthens : I must respectfully disagree .... the advertising doesn't always match the reality and is no substitute for actually living in Dubai (which I have do
27 Lightsaber : My thoughts too! The early airline stories emphasized: 1. The glamor 2. A young and tightly managed work force 3. Customer service to a degree that..
28 Flying Belgian : No offence here EK773. I do estimate my EK colleagues and have a great respect for them and for the EK company. It's just the feedback I've had from f
29 EXCOASA1982 : And discriminate on things that aren't based on physical aspects? Talk about turing back the clock
30 COEI2007 : CO hired a lot of FA's about 2 years ago that went straight onto International! I'm with EI and get short and long haul, which is the best for me! I'
31 UPS757Pilot : The F/A job was never meant to be a career. It was meant for young, single college-aged women a chance to see the world and make some money before be
32 EWRCabincrew : In 1950 it wasn't. Times have changes, as well as the idea behind doing the job. Back in the say, stewardesses didn't so this long. There was an age
33 SOBHI51 : May be you did not read the article carefully so i am going to quote directly from it (Young, single crew members are paired with roommates and house
34 HOOB747 : I couldn't have said it better myself. Well done. And congratulations and admiration to you for your service. I for one appreciate it. Thank you.
35 EK413 : Pay Scales: Basic Monthly Salary AED 3915 Tax Free in the UAE Flying Pay: On an hourly basis: Grade 2 AED 53.50 Grade 1 AED 59.50 Grade 1 First Class
36 Jacobin777 : Given the amount of information available now, one should do their homework in advance... As you mentioned friend.. I haven't been to Dubai since ear
37 EWRCabincrew : Yikes. Granted that has to be starting pay. What is top out pay? Are there caps for hours flown in a month?
38 SOBHI51 : $2300 a month tax free add free housing and others that is not bad for somebody just out of college.And if you are coming from Eastern European count
39 Eoinnz : There are inflight rest facilities on such routes as DXB-SYD/MEL and of course there is the large crew rest facility at the back of the A380. I belie
40 Max777geek : Yes, also prostitution. But since the new era wants them to welcome foreign investors and expand their horizon$ in there, if foreigner$ may like to h
41 Flybyguy : They could treat them like stray dogs for all anyone cares, but as long as the perks out weigh the corporate incongruities it's probably a great job
42 Post contains links Viscount724 : How do you survive trips where you are probably awake at least 8 or 10 hours before your work day even begins, and then have to stay alert on a 15 or
43 Formerflightie : OK....now for some clarification. I used to work for EK in 2005. Overall it was a great experience and for a new FA wanting to only fly for a couple o
44 Smi0006 : Thanks FormerFlightie for that great insight! Is about what I've herd from many crew. You are quiet right I was hideously over generalizing I apologie
45 CZECH380 : Your summary is exactly what I have heard from my friend who used to work for EK back in '03 from Sydney. The summary of the routes and the general a
46 EE-Kay : I SWEAR ON MY DEAR LIFE that when I used to work for Emirates, I once read on one of the MANUALS ABOUT HOW TO FART (Oh!... It was about how to ''pass
47 EE-Kay : So spot on! Do you remember the case of the Swiss underage boy abducted in Dubai and raped by a group of local (Emirati) young men in the desert? I'm
48 EE-Kay : And what about calling in sick? An Indian lady used to pick up the phone call, interrogate you in a most disdainful and intrusive way, and mark you ab
49 Formerflightie : Thankfully now they have what they call EVITA to call in sick .... E - Emirates V - Voice I - Information T - Telephone A - Access (with a robotic voi
50 AirNZ : It's actually not 'discrimination', per sé, if it is the culture of a particular country or race. It is vitally important to remember that we cannot
51 CityofAthens : A very nice and eloquent post .... thank you That is what I mean by keeping your eyes and ears open, and not falling under the impression that all th
52 UPS757Pilot : Why is Singapore & Emirates always rated best? Do they have 60-yr old F/As? No, it would never be accepted. I fly all over the world, and have noticed
53 Lightsaber : Good to hear there was some push back. There is an art to management and some cultures do not yet place much value on that art. I really enjoyed read
54 EK413 : Purser AED 87.00 Monthly roster - 8 days off (not simultaneously) Flying hours approximately 70-80 hours per month. Combination of long / short haul
55 RGElectra80 : As long as the demand exceeds the supply, it will be the case. When they finish all those high-rises, those values will probably go down. At the pace
56 EWRCabincrew : Thank you to all who provided info on EK. Very insightful, indeed. What does that have to do with flight attendant being a career? We have plenty of 6
57 Mysterzip : Wow - thanks - I always wondered how people on EK and other international carriers commuted and other stuff. Very insightful!
58 SQ_EK_freak : Hey guys, well thanks for the lively responses, its really interesting to see both sides of the issue. It's odd, I agree with both sides of the coin.
59 Formerflightie : I wouldn't necessary say an interest in aviation is an advantage. Many of the crew have no clue beyond just the inflight manual and what is required.
60 SOBHI51 : Good luck SQ_EK_freak.We only live once.So enjoy those next couple of years.And remember us from time to time with some feedback's.
61 SQ_EK_freak : Thanks for all the nice comments guys! I am so excited about this, I get up every morning and feel great because I keep thinking of this! I can see ho
62 FlyEmirates : I find this quite amusing, MRU was two six hour night flights separated by 11 hour 25 min layover (essentially 8 hours in hotel) NOT 24 hrs even afte
63 SQ_EK_freak : Hah I can tell you that's not how the MRU change was pitched to us at the recruitment event! Has IAH been changed to a longer layover than just 24 ho
64 CatIII : yeah, all that due process and innocence before guilt is "appalling"... I had heard amybe they were opening a US base? At JFK? Or maybe that was for
65 Flying Belgian : IAH: Flying for 16h on the outb and 14h on the inbound and you get 24h layovers ??? Simply crazy.
66 SQ_EK_freak : Think it was AY, though didn't they have issues with their base set up in ICN? Or were those issues resolved? Yeah, I head it's a tough layover, but
67 Formerflightie : If I recall correctly, DXB-MLE-CMB was a tough trip for some. Early morning departure and arrival in CMB. Layover at an airport hotel and then back to
68 Sankaps : Wonderfully written. You must have been a great FA, Formerflightie. The ability to see things from the perspective above is rare, and heartwarming. I
69 Emirates Skies : Just like just about everything about Emirates and Dubai, they feed you a lot of rubbish and everything comes heavily glossed over at recruitment dri
70 Naritaflyer : I had a chat with a former Finance Chief at Emirates. He said he personally knew of 12 Emirates flight attendants doing time for prostitution. He said
71 Formerflightie : I know many crew who have done it (usually in Business Class). Can't stand seeing the Dom Perignon go to waste. There was no random drug or alcohol t
72 PP705 : Sir, U did not offend me...not one bit. If you can't deal with the passengers of a particular route, avoid being that route. Simple as that. I was on
73 L1011Lover : And we also don't need CARGO!!!! pilots who seem to know everything better and make generalisations about ALL US based FA's. You don't have to work wi
74 SQ_EK_freak : You mean being half Nepalese, living for several years on the subcontinent and flying EK/SQ/TG in and out of the region on a bi-monthly basis while l
75 413X3 : so now airlines should have more rights than people? and how appalling that people are given actual rights and treated equally whaaaaaat are you talk
76 PP705 : You mean being half Nepalese, living for several years on the subcontinent and flying EK/SQ/TG in and out of the region on a bi-monthly basis while li
77 FlyEmirates : I think you are have a chip on your shoulder, after 3 years i havent seen any difference in the way people are treated on EK because of race, if they
78 SQ_EK_freak : If you think that's acceptable behavior then we fundamentally disagree on the dynamics of a passenger-crew relationship and the acceptable parameters
79 Post contains links PP705 : Read the reply carefully. His post reeks of racisim to me. Maybe not to you. Like I said, we are all from different cultures and what is perfect in o
80 Formerflightie : My point exactly!!! I am glad you mentioned the passport waving passengers!! They are hilarious. When I first started, I couldn't figure out why thes
81 Oa260 : That sums it up exactly.
82 Pacifique75 : Agree 150% with you!!!!
83 WAC : Ok SQ crew are good even excellent but no match to Asiana or Kl staff the latter which crack jokes constantly as if they are in an Amsterdam cafe. EK
84 Lightsaber : One of my most energetic employees is 72! If you follow what I was quoting it was comparing EK employment to the textile mills of the industrial revo
85 Flying Belgian : Again I notice how fun and popular Lagos can be... What's the problem of those passengers ??
86 AirIndia : Nice little arguement here between th FAs and the lawyer. PP you are holding fort even in unchartered territory. It has been rather interesting and I
87 PP705 : Yaar a true professional would not brag about his unprofessional behaviour. All I am saying is that if the FA in question did act the way he did, the
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