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LH: MUC-BTS Dropped. Anyone Know Why?  
User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Hello

It seems that LH is dropping MUC-BTS dropped.

Startng Jan 10 2009 availability in all booking classes is zeroed, e.g.

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.2/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]

MUC Munich Metro / Munich Franz Josef Strauss DE = MUC [EDDM]
BTS Bratislava Ivanka SK [LZIB]
SAT 10 Jan 2009

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -----------------------------------------------------
LH/IQ 3172 MUC 11:10 BTS 12:15 DH3 0 J0 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 U0 S0 G0 K0 L0 T0 E0



[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.2/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]

MUC Munich Metro / Munich Franz Josef Strauss DE = MUC [EDDM]
BTS Bratislava Ivanka SK [LZIB]
TUE 13 Jan 2009

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -----------------------------------------------------
LH/IQ 3172 MUC 11:10 BTS 12:15 DH3 0 J0 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 U0 S0 G0 K0 L0 T0 E0
LH/IQ 3174 MUC 14:45 BTS 16:10 DH3 0 J0 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 U0 S0 G0 K0 L0 T0 E0
LH/IQ 3176 MUC 21:30 BTS 22:35 DH3 0 J0 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 U0 S0 G0 K0 L0 T0 E0

Anyone know why LH decided to drop this route?


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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Could it have something to do with its buying of OS and now trying to funnel flights via VIE?

Just my 2 cents worth


User currently offlineOlympicATH From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3615 times:



Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 1):
Could it have something to do with its buying of OS and now trying to funnel flights via VIE?

Not really. The distance between Bratislava and Vienna is only around 60 km (35 miles) and the distance between BTS and VIE a little shorter, so there are obviously no flights between VIE and BTS (And of course OS does not serve BTS). As a matter of fact, these airports have been competing against each other since the 90s, with VIE getting the bulk of scheduled traffic and BTS turning into a low-cost airport serving both cities.
The only airlines currently offering scheduled flights to BTS are Aeroflot, Air Slovakia, CSA, Lufthansa, Ryanair and SkyEurope.
I guess the loads/yields on the route were poor, otherwise it sounds like a good idea to offer LH flights to BTS, which is kind of underserved and doesn't have many major airlines. However the market is still small... (maybe switching it to FRA would've helped?)

Maybe I'm mistaken, and you meant LH was dropping BTS so that passengers would drive to VIE and fly OS from there. Many of them already do, but offering flights from BTS to MUC and beyond was just not comparable.


User currently offlineSAAB900 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3415 times:



Quoting OlympicATH (Reply 2):
The only airlines currently offering scheduled flights to BTS are Aeroflot

I thought the Aeroflot flights were a code share with CSA?

Dave(SAAB900)


User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3149 times:



Quoting OlympicATH (Reply 2):
The distance between Bratislava and Vienna is only around 60 km (35 miles) and the distance between BTS and VIE a little shorter

Couldn't that be the explanation? Maybe they expect people to take the train or some other form of ground transportation instead. In this sense, eliminating parallel routes to BTS and VIE would reduce internal competition.



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

My point was that flights would not go to BTS but pax would be funnelled through VIE. This would further help strenthen the VIE hub for OS/LH. I did not mean flights between VIE and BTS  Smile Sorry for the confusion.

User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3046 times:



Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 4):
Couldn't that be the explanation? Maybe they expect people to take the train or some other form of ground transportation instead. In this sense, eliminating parallel routes to BTS and VIE would reduce internal competition.

Only if MUC-BTS was really underperforming, and I'm trying to learn somehow if that was the case. Or if LH pulled this route because of terrible state of BTS airport (when many people, myself included, avoid it). Or was it something else? Maybe CSA or someone else taking market share from LH?

I know LH really tried hard to build MUC-BTS route. I remember they originally came with a CRJ, then left, then came with a turboprop and later after gaining enough market share settled on 2x CRJ and 1x Dash8-300 on most days. The MUC-BTS route made traveling much easier by eliminating for many people flying to VIE and then taking a 60 minute bus/train trip or 30 min car trip.



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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

I think there are two additional factors that need to be taken into account here having lived in Bratislava myself until May of this year. Last December the highway linking Kittsee (Austrian/Slovak border) and the Budapest-Vienna highway has opened. From Bratislava's city centre it now takes 30 minutes by car to Vienna airport and there typically is not much traffic really, while it takes about 15 minutes to Bratislava airport and maybe more depending on traffic. Now obviously not everyone lives in the city centre as I did, but the travel time has basically been cut in half between Petrzalka and Schwechat. One of the bus lines still uses the old route for whatever reason (Postbus/Slovak Lines), the other (Blaguss) uses the highway as well. The other factor is that in addition to that, Slovakia is now part of Schengen and what previously was the somewhat heavily controlled Schengen border now is no longer there which saves more time.

PS: Aeroflot has two weekly Tu-154M services this winter and three weekly A319-100 services next summer between BTS and SVO.



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User currently offlineTW741 From Liechtenstein, joined Sep 2004, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

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Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 7):
Postbus/Slovak Lines

Postbus/Slovak Lines is also linking VIE and BTS airport with their scheduled services 8 times a day (out of 19 runs).



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User currently offlineLuvflng From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2000, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

I used MUC - BTS-MUC a lot, as a non-revenue passenger, and the flights had a reasonable load factor.

I do not think that VIE and BTS are the same markets. LH sends an RJ to BTS how can that be siphoning passengers from VIE? VIE itself has a huge catchment area and can sustain VIE - MUC without Slovakian passengers.
BTS-MUC has been part of pushing east strategy and I think LH would not back out since the route may be maturing right now. If my destination is Slovakia, I will always try to get to BTS. Car rentals are 50% cheaper than VIE, in fact arriving in BTS is more convenient. That is my preference of course.

My hunch is that the schedule is affected by Cityline fleet changes. There are some drastic reductions in CRJ's based on this article

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lufthansa CityLine to cut 14 CRJ200s and 20% of staff
Victoria Moores, London (19Nov08, 11:43 GMT, 236 words)
Lufthansa CityLine is to cut 14 of its 22 Bombardier CRJ200s and 20% of its 2,500-strong workforce by 2010 as part of a plan to drive down its cost base.

CityLine is scaling back its CRJ200 fleet, claiming the aging 50-seat type is becoming increasingly uneconomical to operate.

A Lufthansa spokesman says the carrier will remove 14 CRJ200s, a reduction of the overall CityLine fleet of 20%.

"Accordingly we will be scaling back the workforce by 20%. This will be achieved between now and 2010," he adds.

Lufthansa will strive to implement to job cuts through early retirements, natural attrition and transfers to other Lufthansa Group companies.

The cuts will be made across the CityLine workforce, including management, but the spokesman adds: "We will definitely try to avoid compulsory redundancies."

He declines to quantify the saving which will be achieved through the measures, adding that the process is still in its early stages.

After the changes CityLine will be left with eight CRJ200s. The spokesman says: "It is not a complete phase-out. Operating these aircraft is becoming increasingly uneconomical so, to ensure the economical operation of Lufthansa CityLine, we had to reduce the operation of these aircraft."

The spokesman is unable to comment immediately on the future of the CRJ200-operated routes or possible replacement plans for the aircraft.

CityLine operates a 72-aircraft fleet, which also includes 20 CRJ700s, 12 CRJ900s and 18 BAE Systems Avro RJ85s.


Source: Air Transport Intelligence news



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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2466 times:

Yes, there have been lots of cuts to other regional markets recently as well, looking at my own news archive, they have recently cut FRA-BOD, DUS-BEG/MRS/NCE, HAM-BCN/BHX/BUD/FCO/LCY/NCE/PRG, MUC-BTS, STR-DUB/FLR/LCY/OLB/PRG


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