F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5025 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1958 times:
Quoting Acidradio (Reply 4): Work hard in school. You will have the rest of your life to make bad career decisions, like working in the airlines Wink
I seriously have to agree with you. I wish I would have listened to my dad years ago. He warned me, but I was 15, and I was going to do it my way. I knew it all. Darn, wish I could turn back time!! LOL!
Quoting IAD51FL (Reply 7): I agree.... once you get sucked in you get stuck. I have tried 2 times to get out of the airlines but get sucked back in Smile)
See above. Seriously, it is so darned hard to break the cycle, and I am assuming I will be in it for the rest of my life.
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1919 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW FORUM MODERATOR
From a once-young man who thought he would make his career in the airlines:
I will say this - I worked in the airlines for the past 8 yrs. I felt nothing but an atmosphere that was backstabbing and negative with little opportunity for advancement. There were some neat experiences, yes, but they were often weighed down or offset by negative experiences. If you go to a gathering of airline people, it seems all anyone talks about are problems with their employer or with the industry: long hours, low wages, micromanagement, feeling unappreciated for the job they do. It is rare that anyone boasts about their situation. They never want to talk about anything else. It gets real old real fast.
When I tried to advance, my immediate managers took it upon themselves to block that in any way they could, as if they felt threatened. It was really pathetic actually, all I wanted was an entry-level job that maybe came closer to paying my bills. It was like they though I was going to topple their "lower management empire." One day one of my managers pulled me into his office and mouthed off at me about my supposed "lack of leadership". It made me so angry that I went back to college, and finished it with ferocity. I worked day and night and pulled off some amazing grades. And with the college degree, there still were no jobs for me in the airlines!
At the end of the day, the airlines are broke and most everyone is unhappy. At all levels, I've encountered people who didn't want to be there, I'm talking middle and upper management too! The only way to make more profit is to cut costs or raise service charges, which makes nobody happy. You aren't improving the product or delivering more value, you are just nickel-and-diming people.
The airlines did teach me a couple things:
1.) To be tough. The amount of work you will be expected to do can be unreal. And in circumstances which you never thought you would be subjected to. You will freeze, cook, break your back, be dehydrated, be yelled at for things which you have no control. Getting jetblasted by a turning 757 in -20°F will always be painful. Working in cold rain will always be miserable. Dumping lavs will always be gross.
2.) I got to see the world. Not as much of it as I'd like but more than I probably would have without having worked for an airline. The travel benefits are deceiving; all the stars and the planets must line up correctly for you to get anywhere. That is, you must have the days off, you must be able to find open flights and you must have the money. Lodging and ground transport aren't free.
I recently found a great opportunity doing IT work for a large health insurance company. I was worried that I wouldn't fit in there and that I might miss the airlines. By about halfway through the first day at my new job, I realized what a real company treats people like and decided I would never work in the airlines ever again. The atmosphere in my new workplace is upbeat and positive. People are glad to be there, are paid decently for what they do and receive raises and bonuses tied to their performance, feel that they accomplish things, feel gratification that they solve problems for others and see a way up if they desire to climb the career path. If I ever need time off, it's basically for the asking.
So, if you want to work with airplanes, that's OK. But don't get too wrapped up in it. At the end of the day, it's only a job. Realize when too much is too much - too much abuse, too little personal time, too little pay - and have a plan to get out. I have met a lot of very nice people whom I have worked with in the airlines over the years, but the ones who are still there seem like they have some kind of, well, it almost seems like a "battered spouse" syndrome, it's like they need this abuse to keep on going. They know that they are getting screwed over and abused and they could do much better elsewhere. But they don't have the wherewithal leave the abusive relationship.
SYfan100 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 14): Sounds like getting a job with WN or any airline wouldn't be so great. Is there any job in the airline industry that is at least pretty good?
Samething goes with the Retail business. You have your good and bad companies when it comes to how they operate.
But if you work hard for the right company, you will get noticed and advance up if you want too.
The problem though is in every company you have your managers that are good and also people who should not be managers because they are just jerks.
These managers who are jerks end up hurting the company more then helping. And if a company is small and wants to expand a bit more it can not do that if good talent is walking out the doors to work some place else.
Most of your managers that are jerks end up getting fired in the end. To many customer and employee complaints are not a good thing for business.
You do not want customers going to another company for business, and you do not want your employees showing up to work cranky every day.
There use to be a thing in business that if you treated your help right, then they would takecare of you. Which means everybody wins in the end who works for the company.
However if you do not treat your help right, then forget about the help doing anything nice for you. In other words they are telling the managers "F.......U"
If you want to work in the Airline business then take a good close look at all the Airlines out there and decide which one might be the best for you.
I hear whispers that Sun Country is a good Airline to work for.
JetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1755 times:
wn has a lot of really young people working there probably a few years older than you...
Years ago all the airlines paid decent wages but heck so many of them are starting off at 7.50 and hr who can live on that unless your young and liveing at home or have a spouse with a decent salary.
GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1525 times:
Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 3): I would apply if WN was hiring 15 year olds, but they aren't sadly
If you are interested in working for WN or any airline. WN does offer internships. I believe you have to be eighteen. I saw one internship advertised at BNA a few months ago. I'm sure there are a slew in DAL and elsewhere. If airline internships mirror the rest of corporate America, Many internship programs guarantee a job. Over time you might excel to middle management if not farther up the corporate ladder.
Might I also suggest you look at the Air Force possibly as an ATC controller or something that interest you. Air Mobility Command (AMC) for example. the HQ base is just across the Mississippi from St. Louis. U.S. Transportation Command. There are AMC stations around the globe. The DOD hires a lot of charter hiring You will almost be guaranteed a job as long as you want it.
Keep your grades up, stay out of trouble and you are well on your way. You might also consider the Civil Service arm of DOD or for the GSA in a aviation position.
Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.