1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5751 posts, RR: 2 Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 13495 times:
I was wondering, now that AA has ordered the 787, I wonder, what will be the future for AA's current livery?
I don't think AA will paint their 787s with heavy and expensive chrome paint. Perhaps they will be painted gray like the A300s used to wear, or they will be painted white like American Eagle.
Does anyone know much about this?
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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26682 posts, RR: 83 Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 13467 times:
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5751 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 13448 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 2): I certainly hope they go with chrome paint.
Would be too heavy and too expensive. I really don't think AA will use chrome paint.
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EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 13171 times:
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter): I was wondering, now that AA has ordered the 787, I wonder, what will be the future for AA's current livery?
I don't think AA will paint their 787s with heavy and expensive chrome paint. Perhaps they will be painted gray like the A300s used to wear, or they will be painted white like American Eagle.
The introduction of the 787 would be a great way to introduce a whole new livery; something more modern and stylish.
PanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 274 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 13128 times:
Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 4): The introduction of the 787 would be a great way to introduce a whole new livery; something more modern and stylish
If that happened, sooo many people would be infuriated. Think how awesome it would be if DL kept its old livery from the 70s and 80s, if AA gives up the scheme they've had since the beginning of time chances are we'll be missing it in 5 years. Some things are best unchanged.
As for the main post, I'm guessing the gray paint on the A300s will be applied (maybe chrome paint, I hope, but doubtful).
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7342 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 13121 times:
Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 4): The introduction of the 787 would be a great way to introduce a whole new livery; something more modern and stylish.
AA has had the current livery for over 40 years. Something suttle not radical is what AA needs, similar to the 1986 BA relaunch. More Blue less Gary would be my idea.
PanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 274 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 13097 times:
Quoting D328 (Reply 7): What about just plain white like Eagle? Probably the cheapest to do.
And have arguably the most important widebody not only sharply contrast the rest of the mainline fleet but also have the same livery as a regional? I repectfully disagree.
ThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 13101 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6): AA has had the current livery for over 40 years. Something suttle not radical is what AA needs, similar to the 1986 BA relaunch. More Blue less Gary would be my idea.
I completely agree. They dont need a brand overhaul, just a brand freshining. Right now AA seems so dreary, old and corporate (like those new flat business class seats).
Longhornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3094 posts, RR: 48 Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 13012 times:
I too hope they go with the chrome paint, but I expect it'll probably be silver. I don't really think they'd go for the gray, it'd be way too off compared to the rest of the fleet.
I also don't expect we'll see a new livery, thankfully IMO.
JBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2278 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 12974 times:
Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 8): And have arguably the most important widebody not only sharply contrast the rest of the mainline fleet but also have the same livery as a regional? I repectfully disagree.
Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 10): I too hope they go with the chrome paint, but I expect it'll probably be silver. I don't really think they'd go for the gray, it'd be way too off compared to the rest of the fleet.
I also don't expect we'll see a new livery, thankfully IMO.
I bet, if anything, AA will come up with a special livery for the new flagship. It'll be a 787-only livery, most likely using silver mica type paint a-la Northwest with some sort of refresh on the stripes ... but otherwise maintain the basic AA corporate identity.
In other words, we'll see the same Helvetica-style AA logo on the tail and American titles on the fuselage ... but the rest of the livery will somehow be changed to adapt to the 787's lack of bare metal without appearing completely bland compared to the rest of the fleet. It's probably the only way to make the 787 stand out without completely overhauling the rest of the corporate branding.
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6): More Blue less Gary would be my idea.
Don't make fun of Gary. I like Gary. He's cool.
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Longhornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3094 posts, RR: 48 Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 12922 times:
To me, that just doesn't make any sense. Yes, the 787 is a great new airplane, and certainly the most revolutionary of the last 10 years, but despite it's composites, I just think it'd be tacky to have a new scheme for a new airplane. I don't remember the last time any airline has done such a thing (to my knowledge, it's never happened), and while this plane requires some different treatment thanks to its different composition, I just don't see it happening.
PanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 274 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12568 times:
Quoting PZ (Reply 13): I'm a Boeing fan... but do you realize you are starting a war with this statement??
Ten years ago was 1998 almost 1999. The only passenger jet developed since then that is even questionably more revolutionary than the 787 is the A380. The A380 basically used existing technology and increased it in size. The same was true with the 747 30 years back. While it is a new and an extremely impressive aircraft, it is not revolutionary as the idea is 30+ years old.
PZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12533 times:
Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 14): Ten years ago was 1998 almost 1999. The only passenger jet developed since then that is even questionably more revolutionary than the 787 is the A380. The A380 basically used existing technology and increased it in size. The same was true with the 747 30 years back. While it is a new and an extremely impressive aircraft, it is not revolutionary as the idea is 30+ years old.
To build the biggest airliner in the world IS revolutionary. You revolutionize the industry and building something bigger doen't just mean snapping a bigger wing, tail etc...
PanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 274 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12520 times:
Quoting PZ (Reply 15): To build the biggest airliner in the world IS revolutionary. You revolutionize the industry and building something bigger doen't just mean snapping a bigger wing, tail etc...
You don't revolutionize the industry with the A380, you change it. A revolution is a brand new idea..and the A380 is a new aircraft fulfilling an old mission. Not revolutionary.
PZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12494 times:
Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 16): You don't revolutionize the industry with the A380, you change it. A revolution is a brand new idea..and the A380 is a new aircraft fulfilling an old mission. Not revolutionary.
you do revolutionize when you can transport over 800 passengers from one point to the other... that means burning less fuel per seat, and that's exactly what the B787 will do with the new technology, burn less fuel per seat. The B787 will be fulfilling an old mission as well...
PanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 274 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12475 times:
Quoting PZ (Reply 17): you do revolutionize when you can transport over 800 passengers from one point to the other... that means burning less fuel per seat, and that's exactly what the B787 will do with the new technology, burn less fuel per seat. The B787 will be fulfilling an old mission as well...
ok, I don't want to start a war on this, like you said. But my point is that the 787 fulfills that mission in a new way (technology) and the A380 fulfills it in an old way (size). The 787 is thus more revolutionary IMO.
PZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12452 times:
Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 18): ok, I don't want to start a war on this, like you said. But my point is that the 787 fulfills that mission in a new way (technology) and the A380 fulfills it in an old way (size). The 787 is thus more revolutionary IMO.
You can't say that because one is bigger you are trying to fullfil a mission in an old way. One is bigger because it is intended to serve a different mission... and to build a plane of this size, new technology had to be developed as well. I don't want to start a A vs B war as well, but I don't think that to say that the B787 is the most revolutionary plane of the last 10 years is fair... (this is hard for me to say since I'm a Boeing fan )
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16808 posts, RR: 57 Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 12431 times:
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
Would be too heavy and too expensive. I really don't think AA will use chrome paint.
A paint scheme on a plane that size adds a few hundred pounds of weight. However, it is actually far more expensive to maintain than a painted livery.
So there is actually a good reason why most airlines choose paint.
For my point, I am in a minority who believes that the AA livery is very dated. It looks every bit its age and I think that they need a serious update.
It looked great in 1978. 30 years later...not so much.
TristarCrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 306 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 12409 times:
I think the AA 738 retro jet is hot....like to see a 787 in that with silver...
PZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 12386 times:
I think that AA livery is one of the most beautiful ones out there... It is one of the most recognized liveries and even though the same livery has been around for quite some time, I think it still looks modern and clean! It is a classic in the airliners world
Jalapeno From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 12338 times:
Uhm,
Can someone give me an airline example of Chrome paint? (Assuming it's different that "Silver")
Vhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1381 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 12183 times:
Quoting Jalapeno (Reply 23):
Can someone give me an airline example of Chrome paint? (Assuming it's different that "Silver")
Im not an expert on AA so i'm proberly totally wrong but AA's AB6's were initially painted grey but latter appeared in chrome so I assume AA used chrome paint for this?
29 Captaink: I certainly hope not. I can hardly call AAs scheme beautiful as some have said on here, but it is surely AAs identity. It is a ridiculously well know
30 Longhornmaniac: This is, in my humble opinion, one reason why we won't see AA change its livery for quite some time. This paint has grown into one of the most recogn
31 Hloutweg: The most revolutionary of the past ten years.... so, which is the most revolutionary as of 1998?
32 XaraB: IMHO, none of the planes the past decade have been truly revolutionary, only evolutionary, since they've all just applied "existing technology" and ut
33 AFKL: I will have to agree with you on this subject. Staying more on topic however, I personally believe that AA will have slight livery change with the ar
34 Brilondon: Why would you want to change a classic like AA's livery. I for one admire a company who won't change for the sake of change. That is just stupid. I l
35 BrianDromey: Airbus used not to recommend that the fuselage be polished, but strangely enough they changed their mind when AA was considering removing either the
36 AFKL: Unfortunately, considering the cirsumstances, they will have to! Whether they, or anyone else likes it or not. Sure they can keep the classic red, wh
37 AirNZ: Well, to be accurate, neither is the 787 anything remotely revolutionary except on paper.......plus they can't seem to get it in the air!!!
38 Divemaster08: There is nothing more cooler than the AA colours on the 777! For those who say that the colours are outdated and needs a re-vamp, just go and see the
40 Malaysia: Can they powder coat chrome? Even better lets add mercury to the composite mix and sure that will cause serious reactions to the mix plus harm people
41 Beertrucker: Here you all decide on that one. White Silver
42 LMP737: Up close it even looked worse, the paint was applied with a roller.
43 PZ: Why do some AA MD80's have the nose painted black and others not?? I really like how they look with the black nose...
44 WestJetYQQ: Dated; but not Outdated. That would probably be a very viable option. Air Canada's newer livery uses a metallic blue-ish paint. It looks very stunnin
45 PZ: What a great picture!! After looking at that picture, AA should never change this livery... simply beautiful...
46 Manfredj: the 777 of course!...although came a little earlier. Keep AA the same! It's perfect, coservative and truly American. They won't change it anyway.
47 JBo: I'm pretty sure that's just a glare/reflection off the wing. However, someone *should* define what they mean by chrome paint: A) Actual chrome paint,
48 Trojanclipper: Actually, I remember from when I was in training at AA, the chrome is not paint at all but the actual metal. It was thought at the time that the lack
50 JBo: I stand corrected. It's a possibility ... but a lot has changed as far as painting standards in almost 40 years. We don't know what kind of technique
51 MKE22: That is the most awesome livery for the future of AA! I hope to see that in the future, not now, but in the future. That would be sweet!
52 ERJ135: I'm not at all sure which way AA will go with the 787, one thing is certain it will definitely be different to a 777 by necessity. The complete lack o
53 PZ: Didn't Qantas had to adjust their livery because of the "no paint zones" in the A380?
54 Ssublyme: I'm with others in saying the AA livery could stand to be updated/refreshed whatever you want to call it. To me, there's something off about putting a
55 ERJ135: I remember this well. The existing livery was applied to the tail of an A380 and it was discovered that the kangaroo's feet appeared amputated due to
56 Viscount724: I think AA's livery still looks very modern and changing it wouldn't generate one additional passenger. Why waste the time and money? Think of the mo
57 LonghornDC9: I for one hope that AA somehow manages to keep their current livery. It's instantly recognizable the world over, it's classy, and it's such a nice con
58 Pianos101: It looks like a lot of people are forgetting that the 777 (along with some other aircraft) already have major components that are composite, such as t
59 Jacobin777: Add the money they save with less fuel being spent....[Edited 2008-12-14 16:43:39]
60 Beeweel15: If there is a no paint zone how come there is all that red paint around it. Also on a daily basis I see the Emirates A380 Parked at T4 at JFK and it
61 PZ: If you read his entire post you will see this:
62 Beeweel15: I do apologize for that. Lets hope we can see an updated livery from AA.
63 DocLightning: It costs a few million dollars to design a new livery. That's change found in the sofa for most airlines. It costs a few million dollars to repaint t
64 PZ: Hasn't AC tried in the past tried a metal livery to "save" money burning less fuel but coming later to the conclusion that you don't actually save mon
65 DTW757: Does anyone think it will look like what AA has said it will look like?
66 DocLightning: No no no. Don't be silly. You can't trust word straight from the horse's mouth! CLEARLY, A.nutters know far more about AA ops than AA does. But 1) th
67 PZ: For me is always the other way around!! Everytime it looks a lot nicer the real airlplane!!
68 EMBQA: There is no such thing as chrome paint. Chroming is a process of treating metalics with an electronic charge and that can not be done here. American'
69 Mayor: DL's was 1996 as the Ron Allen livery was in 1997. On another note, when DL got the A-310's from PanAm, with DL's Widget color scheme, the belly had
70 Rikkus67: hey PZ, regarding the AC bare metal livery... yes it was tried, and failed. It might have worked better with the dark green ("black") tail of the pre
71 Viscount724: And if memory correct they had to wait for the Airbus warranty to expire before they removed the paint.
72 1337Delta764: Actually, there IS such thing as chrome paint:
73 Antoniemey: You know... that, assuming it could be made in aircraft quality paint and was light enough to be worth it, that would actually probably look better t
74 EMBQA: How do you know that is paint, and NOT actually chrome...? It would be very easy to have each body panel chromed. Oops.. try a little research.. the
75 PZ: with the dark green it would have been a great livery! the other problem is that it doesn't look "clean" also, maybe on a new airplane that would hav
76 Antoniemey: Said owner has way too much time and money on his hands. In regards to AA's forthcoming 787s... I'm expecting grey or white, but hoping for either a
77 WestJetYQQ: They tested the idea for a while on a 767. They didn't bother to make it as pretty as it could be because they weren't sure. They just wanted to test
78 Beertrucker: Yes they do make chrome paint. I have used it and it does give off that mirror if take the time and do it the way they say to.
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